8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

NuMarvel

gmisk wrote: »

So are you "Honest"Kevin Sharkey?
I cant see why else you would be so obsessed with this non-issue....its kind of bizarre.

And considering that Kevin Sharkey was conceived and born a good 20 years before the 8th was even dreamt up, I'm not sure what relevance it has to anything we're discussing.

HonestKevin

gmisk wrote: »

So are you "Honest"Kevin Sharkey?
I cant see why else you would be so obsessed with this non-issue....its kind of bizarre.

No. You don't have to be black to be passionate about defending against racisim. I don't want my tax money being spent on women wanting to abort an unborn baby based solely on the color of the unborn babies skin.

robarmstrong

HonestKevin wrote: »

No. You don't have to be black to be passionate about defending against racisim. I don't want my tax money being spent on women wanting to abort an unborn baby based solely on the color of the unborn babies skin.

You won't know why the baby is being aborted so there's that out the window.

baylah17

HonestKevin wrote: »

gmisk wrote: »

This 1 in 5 stat is rubbish....maybe do some reading and stop taking this rubbish on face value

2015 Statistics In The UK (England and Wales)

185,824 abortions
697,852 live births

That means for every 3.75 babies born, another 1 baby was aborted.

The UK is England Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland
Learn before you speak

Hannibal_Smith

HonestKevin wrote: »

2015 Statistics In The UK (England and Wales)

185,824 abortions
697,852 live births

That means for every 3.75 babies born, another 1 baby was aborted.

Whats the total figure for births? You specify 'live' births, does that mean still births aren't included?

Also, regarding the abortion figure, what are the statistics for those with FFA? Or where the mother's life was in danger? Are they all prior to 12 weeks?

baylah17

robarmstrong wrote: »

Lads and lassies, just keep the discussion going without replying to Kevin unless he drops the strawman.

He made a comment regarding the abortion rate of Ireland if it had the same amount of restrictions as the UK.

There were approx 65,000 live births last year, over 3000+ women traveled abroad for an abortion, if they were to have that abortion here that means that 1 in every 22 live birth in Ireland would end in abortion.

So 1 in every 22 of my friends would disappear in this scenario.


Damn I wish I had 22 friends.

Ahh
I'll be your friend if you promise not to murder me :-)

robarmstrong

baylah17 wrote: »

Ahh
I'll be your friend if you promise not to murder me :-)

1 down 21 to go!

NuMarvel

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

I think when abortion is introduced(whenever that is) it will become common knowledge quite quickly who the doctors who don't prescribe the meds are. It'll be a case of "oh you can't go to x they don't do it, go to y in abc town" So the instances of doctors in that position should be quite low. I do think a register would be useful though.

Family planning clinics will probably offer these services as well, so it may be the case that many women in urban areas will choose to go there instead to avoid the guessing games about what their doctors will do.

ELM327

HonestKevin wrote: »

2015 Statistics In The UK (England and Wales)

185,824 abortions
697,852 live births

That means for every 3.75 babies born, another 1 baby was aborted.

3650 of those were Irish women, so remove those.
You've also left out miscarriages, FFA, stillborn, and all other pieces that make up the full 100%.

Please provide a link to your source.

gmisk

gmisk wrote: »

This 1 in 5 stat is rubbish....maybe do some reading and stop taking this rubbish on face value

Really...? Everything I find points towards that stat being correct in the UK

Mr. CooL ICE

Mod: HonestKevin, don't post in this thread again. Reason: trolling.

Everyone else, stop replying to him.

NuMarvel

baylah17 wrote: »

Ahh
I'll be your friend if you promise not to murder me :-)

I never make that promise to my friends. I find it keeps things interesting.

ELM327

Deleted User wrote: »

Really...? Everything I find points towards that stat being correct in the UK

The issue is not the statistic it's the method of calculation.
It's excluding all pregnancies that are not "live births", which distorts the percentage and allows the higher "1 in 5".

Anyway , the troll has been threadbanned

NuMarvel

Dole Scrounging Vegan Crossfitter wrote: »

There is a detailed FAQ available called AboutThe8th.

Great idea adding this in! Thanks!!

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Eponymous

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Particularly when talking about the unborn, whom the prolifers claim to be protecting - unless they don't actually matter for statistical purposes.

Hannibal_Smith

amcalester wrote: »

He's thread banned, no point replying any more.

I know..I just caught up

kylith

Hector Savage wrote: »

I dont even tweet about it !!!

My point is are these people so narrow minded ??
I'm lucky that on this occasion I happen to agree with them, but on other things ?

This should be worrying, these are young people and are the next generation of politicians.

But they’re not. They are apparently using an add-on with a faulty metric which you have somehow gotten caught up in. What they don’t want to see is the rabid pro-lifers yelling about ‘baby murder’ and posting graphic imagery

taserfrank

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

I know..I just caught up

It seems anyone expressing an opinion championing the 'no' argument is banned from this thread- nice to have your own echo chamber after all.

robarmstrong

taserfrank wrote: »

It seems anyone expressing an opinion championing the 'no' argument is banned from this thread- nice to have your own echo chamber after all.

Aborting black babies is not championing an opinion of the no argument.

amcalester

taserfrank wrote: »

It seems anyone expressing an opinion championing the 'no' argument is banned from this thread- nice to have your own echo chamber after all.

Do you really think that poster was championing the No argument?

I would have given most No voters more credit than that.

taserfrank

amcalester wrote: »

Do you really think that poster was championing the No argument?

I would have given most No voters more credit than that.

what poster?

Ave Sodalis

taserfrank wrote:

It seems anyone expressing an opinion championing the 'no' argument is banned from this thread- nice to have your own echo chamber after all.

People on both sides have been banned. The fact that there are more trolls, re-regs and bots on the No side does not mean the mods are biased.

taserfrank

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

People on both sides have been banned. The fact that there are more trolls, re-regs and bots on the No side does not mean the mods are biased.

Yea right love :rolleyes:

Martina1991

taserfrank wrote: »

It seems anyone expressing an opinion championing the 'no' argument is banned from this thread- nice to have your own echo chamber after all.

The people who get banned from threads break the rules.
They troll and derail the thread to get a reaction and tell blatent lies.

Ave Sodalis

taserfrank wrote:

Yea right love

Yeah right what?

Zubeneschamali

taserfrank wrote: »

what poster?

HonestBertie who was trolling there since yesterday about black babies and so on.

Why, which No poster were you referring to? There is quite a list of them who have been banned, some several times after re-registering.

Clear sign they are losing when they resort to trolling and disrupting the thread.

Mr. CooL ICE

taserfrank wrote: »

It seems anyone expressing an opinion championing the 'no' argument is banned from this thread- nice to have your own echo chamber after all.

Mod: Do not discuss moderation on thread as it derails the flow of the thread. If you have an issue with a moderator decision, PM the mod in question. If you are still unhappy with the mod decisions, PM a CMod.

Let this be the end of it.

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pitifulgod

It's a pretty telling sign of how weak the no side feel in this debate when they start coming up with the most ridiculous concerns...