8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

Sofiztikated

We've had vote no because:

Pensions
Racists
Rapists pay child support
Irish couples want to adopt
Contraception
There's always England.
Stem cells
Multiple Abortions
Someone said something/did distasteful.

But yet we're the ones not willing to talk about a touchy subject.

NuMarvel

Sofiztikated wrote: »

We've had vote no because:

Pensions
Racists
Rapists pay child support
Irish couples want to adopt
Contraception
There's always England.
Stem cells
Multiple Abortions
Someone said something/did distasteful.

But yet we're the ones not willing to talk about a touchy subject.

Don't forget RepealShield!

Sofiztikated

NuMarvel wrote: »

Don't forget RepealShield!

Ah yes, vote no, because people don't want to listen to me talk ****e, and I've tried talking louder, but that still doesn't work.

I imagine people that complain about that are the ones that, when faced with someone speaking a different language, say the SAME THING AGAIN, ONLY LOUDER!

Bannasidhe

HonestKevin wrote: »

That's what this whole campaign has been about. If a child was conceived as a result of rape or incest they are deemed by the pro-repeal campaign as less valuable. These babies are not "respectable". We are once again saying that in Ireland there are "respectable" unborn born babies and unborn babies that are not "respectable".

Whatever one wants to say about the no side, at least they are taking the position that ALL unborn babies are respectable. The 8th says that all unborn babies should be treated equally (given the right to life). The pro-repeal side are saying that some unborn babies are not "respectable" and need to be got rid of. Its like 1950's Ireland all over again. It would be nice as a country if we could stop judging unborn babies based on how they were conceived.

Strangely enough my memory of many of the "pro-life" posts on the previous 2 threads were that they believed foetus' conceived through rape/incest were ok to be aborted - it's the abortions where women 'knew the risks' and 'must suffer the consequences' they had an issue with. Am I the only one who remembers these posts?

Bannasidhe

aubz wrote: »

Yes but if the fertility rate drops below replacement there will be a greater need for immigrants. It's likely that there could be some many that the Irish population is overtaken and your culture will no longer exist. There are entire minority-majority cities in Canada and Australia. When the population reaches 70% Chinese they will no longer assimilate.

But enough about the British/French and the British/Irish eh Cobber, sure they all did a great job murdering "assimilating" with the cultures that already existed in Canada and Australia when boat loads of stinking Europeans arrived on their shores.

Of all the anti-repeal 'arguments' the racist card is among the most despicable.

zom

ELM327 wrote: »

This is now the second time I've told you that is a false statistic

But why does it even matter ? Should be not a problem for abortion supporters if either 1 in 5 children are aborted or 1 in 10 ?

baylah17

zom wrote: »

ELM327 wrote: »

This is now the second time I've told you that is a false statistic

But why does it even matter ? Should be not a problem for abortion supporters if either 1 in 5 children are aborted or 1 in 10 ?

Who are the abortion supporters?
Are they like a kind of Offical Fan Club

January

Have just read online that those horrible vile creatures in the ICBR targetted all three Dublin maternity hospitals with their images of foetus's.

I'm gobsmacked.

baylah17

January wrote: »

Have just read online that those horrible vile creatures in the ICBR targetted all three Dublin maternity hospitals with their images of foetus's.

I'm gobsmacked.

Sick pricks

Triceratops Ballet

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

I think when abortion is introduced(whenever that is) it will become common knowledge quite quickly who the doctors who don't prescribe the meds are. It'll be a case of "oh you can't go to x they don't do it, go to y in abc town" So the instances of doctors in that position should be quite low. I do think a register would be useful though.

Doctors can object to prescribing contraception on moral grounds and have to refer the patient, perhaps the same doctors will be the same when abortion is legal, either way the patient gets referred to someone who has their medical interest as the first priority

Ave Sodalis

"8 years ago, myself & my husband were days away from the induction of our second son. I was almost 39 weeks pregnant. We had all the plans made, baby gros, baby hat, teddy bear, all ready for his arrival.
However, these plans were not made for his life, they were made for his death.
At our 31 week scan, we discovered that all was not well with our much-wanted son. We had brought our first son to the scan with us, so he could share in the excitement of his new sibling. The scan went on for what felt like an eternity, but we were oblivious until she said that there was an issue with our son's heart and brain.
There was no consultant there for us to talk to, so we were sent home and had to come back a few days later. After 2 further appointments and a amniocentesis, it was confirmed that our beloved son had Edward's syndrome and my son would not live after birth.
We immediately asked about having a early induction, but we were not allowed at that time and we would have to wait until I was full term before an induction could be done. It was a "process" that we had to go through. We received no other choices and we were sent on our way, with instructions to come back every week for a scan.
The following weeks and scans were horrific. Going into the maternity hospital every week to see if our son was still alive was horrific. I had 2 mental breakdowns, one happened on my birthday and I was hospitalised for 4 days.
My mind had gone into shock and my body started to violently shake. I was not able to stop the shaking, the Doctors thought I could be helped by thinking of happy thoughts. It was decided that I needed to be medicated. I was unable to look after my son, so my mother had to move in with us.
My husband had to continue to work every day, pretending all was OK with the pregnancy. How he managed I'll never know. He was also planning our son's funeral and helping me through the many hysterical crying fits that I would have.
We clung to the hope that our son would live through his birth so we could look into his eyes and he could feel our kiss before he died. However, knowing that we would have to watch him die in our arms, just haunted us.
So, after 8 weeks of hell, we arrived at our induction date. We were sent for our final scan & there was no heartbeat. We were too late. He had died approximately 4 days earlier. All that suffering was in vain. We would never get that kiss after all.
The following morning, our son came silently into this world. He was so fragile and he was the first dead person I had ever touched. Our hearts were shattered. We had his funeral 2 days later, his teddy bear with him in his tiny white coffin. He was buried with my grandmother.
8 years later, I am still profoundly affected by our experience. Our choice was to have an early induction but the 8th said we couldn't. We had no choice, nothing. I was forced to be life-support for our dying son for 8 weeks, 8 weeks!!!!!!! However, we consider ourselves lucky. We got to say goodbye to our son in our own country. We left the hospital, with our son's tiny white coffin between us in the back of the funeral car. He had a lovely funeral. We were surrounded by our loving family at all times.
Was it worth waiting 8 weeks, my answer is No. The mental and physical torture was too high a price to pay. It should never happen to anyone. The 8th must be repealed. Please give us parents the choices we deserve. Not every pregnancy has a happy ending or are black and white. Please vote yes on May 25th. I beg you. Thank you."

https://www.facebook.com/RepealTheEighth/posts/162517197756039:0


What sickens me most is there is a woman going around putting angry reactions to anyone saying to repeal the 8th in the comment section of that post. Not because she is angry at what this poor woman went through, but because she's a No voter (her cover photo is one of the No posters). How anyone could be so heartless that they could read something like that, and still think the 8th is great, is really beyond my understanding. It's a small bit pathetic to be going through the comments and putting angry reactions on them all anyway, but to do so on a story like that? Yet likely still claim the moral high-ground?



I sincerely hope the family in the story got the help the deserved afterwards. It's a very upsetting read.

Odhinn

January wrote: »

Have just read online that those horrible vile creatures in the ICBR targetted all three Dublin maternity hospitals with their images of foetus's.

I'm gobsmacked.

What images are these, might I ask?

baylah17

Odhinn wrote: »

January wrote: »

Have just read online that those horrible vile creatures in the ICBR targetted all three Dublin maternity hospitals with their images of foetus's.

I'm gobsmacked.

What images are these, might I ask?

Do a Google search
Sickening images
ICBR scum of the earth

Ave Sodalis

baylah17 wrote: »

Do a Google search
Sickening images
ICBR scum of the earth

Could we get a link? I can't find it

January

They didn't use the vile images today from what I've seen but still targeting maternity hospitals is sick.

baylah17

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

baylah17 wrote: »

Do a Google search
Sickening images
ICBR scum of the earth

Could we get a link? I can't find it

I just typed in ICBR Ireland on Google and then went to images
Can post a link on this mobile

Ave Sodalis

Oh wow. Ireland's next child abuse scandal might not be so easy to cover up? Can they not see the irony of that slogan?

baylah17

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Oh wow. Ireland's next child abuse scandal might not be so easy to cover up? Can they not see the irony of that slogan?

The images are sickeningly graphic

smokingman

January wrote: »

Have just read online that those horrible vile creatures in the ICBR targetted all three Dublin maternity hospitals with their images of foetus's.

I'm gobsmacked.

Same crazies that were in Waterford last weekend?

Ken.

Mod-Do not post the pictures in this thread.

Martin Micropenis

I am voting no.

Why? I don't think abortion is very nice.

Do I have daughters? Yes, one.
What would I do if she was raped? Would I make her carry the pregnancy to term? No. I would encourage her to give birth but not force her. If she wanted to go to England to avail of abortion, I would reluctantly assist.

Do I believe that the 13th and 14th amendments should be repealed? No.
Why not? Impractical and pointless to enforce.

robarmstrong

Martin Micropenis wrote: »

I am voting no.


Do I have daughters? Yes, one.
What would I do if she was raped? Would I make her carry the pregnancy to term? No. I would encourage her to give birth but not force her. If she wanted to go to England to avail of abortion, I would reluctantly assist.

Would you not want her to have the abortion here where she can receive the appropriate medical aftercare and support? Why should your daughter have to travel to a different country just because of your belief?

January

Did someone actually post them here?

baylah17

January wrote: »

Did someone actually post them here?

A link to them yes
Not me I hasten to add

Timberrrrrrrr

Martin Micropenis wrote: »

I am voting no.

Why? I don't think abortion is very nice.

Do I have daughters? Yes, one.
What would I do if she was raped? Would I make her carry the pregnancy to term? No. I would encourage her to give birth but not force her. If she wanted to go to England to avail of abortion, I would reluctantly assist.

Do I believe that the 13th and 14th amendments should be repealed? No.
Why not? Impractical and pointless to enforce.

Wonder if the mods/admin/boards egg heads can make these threads so that only people here a certain amount of time and with minimum 50 Posts. Might stop the sudden influx (we all know it will get worse over the next few weeks) of "new" posters popping up (always in the NO camp, always derailing the threads).


*prepares for "outrage" as people accuse me of attempting to "shut down discussion" :rolleyes:

tigger123

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Wonder if the mods/admin/boards egg heads can make these threads so that only people here a certain amount of time and with minimum 50 Posts. Might stop the sudden influx (we all know it will get worse over the next few weeks) of "new" posters popping up (always in the NO camp, always derailing the threads).


*prepares for "outrage" as people accuse me of attempting to "shut down discussion" :rolleyes:

They have the same rule in operation in the Soccer forum.

Martin Micropenis

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Wonder if the mods/admin/boards egg heads can make these threads so that only people here a certain amount of time and with minimum 50 Posts. Might stop the sudden influx (we all know it will get worse over the next few weeks) of "new" posters popping up (always in the NO camp, always derailing the threads).


*prepares for "outrage" as people accuse me of attempting to "shut down discussion" :rolleyes:

Fair point but I am upfront no voter.
Isn't that better than a "I'm voting yes BUT ...." [insert criticism of yes voters / strategy]

baylah17

Martin Micropenis wrote: »

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Wonder if the mods/admin/boards egg heads can make these threads so that only people here a certain amount of time and with minimum 50 Posts. Might stop the sudden influx (we all know it will get worse over the next few weeks) of "new" posters popping up (always in the NO camp, always derailing the threads).


*prepares for "outrage" as people accuse me of attempting to "shut down discussion" :rolleyes:

Fair point but I am upfront no voter.
Isn't that better than a "I'm voting yes BUT ...." [insert criticism of yes voters / strategy]

Fairs fair
You are upfront
But explain to me why it would be acceptable for your daughter to have an abortion in the UK with your support bug wrong for that choice to be available to her and to You, here at home.

Martin Micropenis

Martin Micropenis wrote: »

I am voting no.

Why? I don't think abortion is very nice.

Do I have daughters? Yes, one.
What would I do if she was raped? Would I make her carry the pregnancy to term? No. I would encourage her to give birth but not force her. If she wanted to go to England to avail of abortion, I would reluctantly assist.

Do I believe that the 13th and 14th amendments should be repealed? No.
Why not? Impractical and pointless to enforce.

Sorry but this is so hypocritical. Not on my doorstep, but totally fine across the way. It's a cop out.

You would be willing to put your daughter, who has already suffered extreme trauma, through the added stress of having to travel to get medical care. How is that preferable to having her looked after here, with counselling and proper follow up care?

It's time this country grew up and dealt with reality.

Martin Micropenis

robarmstrong wrote: »

Would you not want her to have the abortion here where she can receive the appropriate medical aftercare and support?

Medical aftercare and support is just as good in England as it is in Ireland. I lived there for several years and have family supports etc. Finances would not be issue as we are quite comfortably off.

robarmstrong wrote: »

Why should your daughter have to travel to a different country just because of your belief?

Because of my original answer. I don't believe abortion is very nice therefore I will vote no to keep it out of Ireland. I fully acknowledge that people will travel abroad. In the unlikely event of somebody from my immediate family needing an abortion, then there is a plan B.

On the balance of probabilities, the Yes vote is going to win this so my vote or concerns will make no difference.