Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

Discodog

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Trump said Assad will pay a big price. I have a feeling they will strike in next 48 hours he looks weak now if he doesn't.

This clearly a false flag. Trump decides to pull out of Syria and Assad forces have taken about 95 percent of Ghouta back and Assad decides to use chemical weapons to kill children in Ghouta now?

Yes because it's called revenge - bit like Salisbury
Plus it's a good opportunity to test them. Now looking like this one was a mixture of VX & Chlorine.

Chlorine is heavy so it sinks down into shelters & kills civilians

Trump just wiped 50% from Rusal's share price.

BoJack Horseman

Discodog wrote: »

Yes because it's called revenge.

Yeah.... no.

If vengance was the goal then 10,000 jihadists (or "moderate rebels" if you prefer) wouldn't be bused north as we speak.

No part of it adds up

Cheerful Spring

Discodog wrote: »

Yes because it's called revenge - bit like Salisbury
Plus it's a good opportunity to test them. Now looking like this one was a mixture of VX & Chlorine.

Chlorine is heavy so it sinks down into shelters & kills civilians

Trump just wiped 50% from Rusal's share price.

Skipral relatives are denied access to them, is the UK a police state? And Skipral and his daughter are recovering? This military nerve agent was a dud..

Discodog

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Yeah.... no.

If vengance was the goal then 10,000 jihadists (or "moderate rebels" if you prefer) wouldn't be bused north as we speak.

No part of it adds up

He doesn't consider them his people. He sees them as vermin & he wants to send a message - probably following Putin's example

Discodog

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Skipral relatives are denied access to them, is the UK a police state? And Skipral and his daughter are recovering? This military nerve agent was a dud..

You know both answers.

Cheerful Spring

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Yeah.... no.

If vengance was the goal then 10,000 jihadists (or "moderate rebels" if you prefer) wouldn't be bused north as we speak.

No part of it adds up

Clearly, something is wrong with the education system when people can no longer think critically and don't have common sense anymore.

The simple fact that the west went to war with Libya instead of Syria twice should be something to think about. But that makes me an arsehole.


There's a very good documentary that delves into this a lot..

I certainly don't hold it as truth, but it does make me very skeptical of literally everything. It's extremely long but worth a watch, just for a view from outside whatever bubble you're in. It's pretty much anti-everyone.


Edit: it's by the BBC if anyone is doubting how it looks.

Discodog

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

If the U.S hit Syria with anything more than a token response...depending on the target...Russia may target U.S troops in Manbij, Raqqa, Deir ez Zor or al-Tanf.

Russian S-400 will lkely be used on any U.S aircraft entering Syria.

Are you being serious ? Putin is arrogant but he isn't totally stupid. The US have a capability decades ahead of Russia. Why would the US need aircraft ? They, unlike Russia, can afford to develop & use high tech weaponry. Putin is still trying to decide if they can afford new engines for their ancient supersonic bomber.

Any GTA missile that locks on to a US plane will get a nasty surprise.

Discodog

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Clearly, something is wrong with the education system when people can no longer think critically and don't have common sense anymore.

When you are a barbaric dictator buoyed up by Putin you naturally lose all common sense.

ArchXStanton

Discodog wrote: »

Are you being serious ? Putin is arrogant but he isn't totally stupid. The US have a capability decades ahead of Russia. Why would the US need aircraft ? They, unlike Russia, can afford to develop & use high tech weaponry. Putin is still trying to decide if they can afford new engines for their ancient supersonic bomber.

Any GTA missile that locks on to a US plane will get a nasty surprise.

Pity there isn't a LOL button beside the thanks one..

Gatling

Russia hasn't shot down any aircraft of note other than flight MH17 over Ukraine .

I'm sure Americans are shaking in their flight boots ,
They've have s400s for nearly 4 years in Syria and yet American and other aircraft regularly carry out sorties .
As do Israel on a regular basis.


"They will do nothing "
except bend over and take several cruise missiles up the backside

ChikiChiki

A war where there are no good guys. Sad for the Syrian people.

Also Trump, not an ounce of diplomacy in his language. I thought he was mates with Putin. The whole things a clusterf**k.

Very confusing.

ArchXStanton

Gatling wrote: »

Russia hasn't shot down any aircraft of note other than flight MH17 over Ukraine .

I'm sure Americans are shaking in their flight boots ,
They've have s400s for nearly 4 years in Syria and yet American and other aircraft regularly carry out sorties .
As do Israel on a regular basis.


"They will do nothing "
except bend over and take several cruise missiles up the backside

Any sign of that link Gatling about the Kurds inviting the US regime into Syria?

Discodog

Discodog wrote: »

When you are a barbaric dictator buoyed up by Putin you naturally lose all common sense.

BiG if GOOD.

Do you realise how simple your view of all this is?

Discodog

Gatling wrote: »

Russia hasn't shot down any aircraft of note other than flight MH17 over Ukraine .

I'm sure Americans are shaking in their flight boots ,
They've have s400s for nearly 4 years in Syria and yet American and other aircraft regularly carry out sorties .
As do Israel on a regular basis.


"They will do nothing "
except bend over and take several cruise missiles up the backside

One technique the US train is to deliberately fly close enough for the ground radars to lock. Then another aircraft simple sends a radar guided missile back down the beam. They wouldn't even get time to fire it.

Discodog

Deleted User wrote: »

BiG if GOOD.

Do you realise how simple your view of all this is?

Some things are simple.

Cheerful Spring

Discodog wrote: »

Are you being serious ? Putin is arrogant but he isn't totally stupid. The US have a capability decades ahead of Russia. Why would the US need aircraft ? They, unlike Russia, can afford to develop & use high tech weaponry. Putin is still trying to decide if they can afford new engines for their ancient supersonic bomber.

Any GTA missile that locks on to a US plane will get a nasty surprise.

Are you stuck in a time warp America is not decades ahead of Russia. American just spends more on its military. Russia equipment is on par with America. They can domestically produce at a lower cost than the Americans.

Cheerful Spring

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Any sign of that link Gatling about the Kurds inviting the US regime into Syria?

You will be waiting I still got no links

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Russia hasn't shot down any aircraft of note other than flight MH17 over Ukraine .

I'm sure Americans are shaking in their flight boots ,
They've have s400s for nearly 4 years in Syria and yet American and other aircraft regularly carry out sorties .
As do Israel on a regular basis.


"They will do nothing "
except bend over and take several cruise missiles up the backside

S-400 delivery to Syria
Two were delivered by air to the Khmeimim Airbase in the Syrian province of Latakia, and two more were shipped to a Russian maritime facility located in Tartus.

Isreal hasn't touched these airbases they are controlled by Russia.

Gringo180

Are the Israelis just allowed to fly into Lebanese airspace without any authorisation?

Cheerful Spring

We might see more than one strike. Unfortunately the White House is full up of warmongers now.

Discodog

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Are you stuck in a time warp America is not decades ahead of Russia. American just spends more on its military. Russia equipment is on par with America. They can domestically produce at a lower cost than the Americans.

Of course they can't. They don't have the necessary high tech facilities. What tech item is made in Russia & sold to the World - apart from weapons ? Can the Russians sit in Moscow & conduct drone strikes anywhere in the World ?

Things have changed. The mujaheddin destroyed the Russian army with the most primitive weapons. Russia has never got involved in a fight involving even half decent opposition. The US are bullies but the Russians take it to a whole new level.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

S-400 delivery to Syria

So they haven't shot anything down ever .

No ?

Cheerful Spring

Discodog wrote: »

Of course they can't. They don't have the necessary high tech facilities. What tech item is made in Russia & sold to the World - apart from weapons ? Can the Russians sit in Moscow & conduct drone strikes anywhere in the World ?

Things have changed. The mujaheddin destroyed the Russian army with the most primitive weapons. Russia has never got involved in a fight involving even half decent opposition. The US are bullies but the Russians take it to a whole new level.

And what has this got to do with defending Syria? Russia clearly has the necessary military equipment in place to do so? Any escalation in a war between US and Russia would go nuclear eventually.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

So they haven't shot anything down ever .

No ?

Why would the Russians shoot down Isreali and American planes they are not at war? There is no evidence the S400 has been used yet to try to knock down planes.

Gringo180

Discodog wrote: »

Of course they can't. They don't have the necessary high tech facilities. What tech item is made in Russia & sold to the World - apart from weapons ? Can the Russians sit in Moscow & conduct drone strikes anywhere in the World ?

Things have changed. The mujaheddin destroyed the Russian army with the most primitive weapons. Russia has never got involved in a fight involving even half decent opposition. The US are bullies but the Russians take it to a whole new level.

America were also defeated in Afghanistan and the same in Iraq. They went home with there tails between there legs.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Why would the Russian shot down Isreali and American/quote]

So No

Barry Badrinath

Discodog wrote: »

Are you being serious ? Putin is arrogant but he isn't totally stupid. The US have a capability decades ahead of Russia. Why would the US need aircraft ? They, unlike Russia, can afford to develop & use high tech weaponry. Putin is still trying to decide if they can afford new engines for their ancient supersonic bomber.

Any GTA missile that locks on to a US plane will get a nasty surprise.

I stated aircraft because thats what the U.S has previously used in eastern Syria...thats why.

When you further analyse it, the S-400 would only be a deterrent against the use of U.S air assets, ballistic missiles and to a lesser extent, cruise missiles.

We know from previous U.S actions that they wont risk air assets from the Med because of the S-400 in Tartus and Latakia.

Putin has already lost 'Private Military Contractors' in Deir ez Zor, an area along the Euphrates River where the U.S are securing the Syrian oil fields.

The oil and gas fields pretty much belong to Russia if Syria ever stabilises. This has been guaranteed by Assad. Russia have the 'contract' for oil facility rebuilding and exploration.

If the U.S target Russian troops, it is logical to assume Russia will respond and target the weaker U.S positions in Syria....Deir ez Zor. Tge current state of play is, the U.S are securing the oil fields for their own use but this has been promised to Putin...therefore this is where he will target. We have already seen him do the probing weeks ago and its why tgmhe U.S have been reinforcing the areas around the oild fields.

I retract my statement about al-Tanf, too messy with the Jordanian border.

So yeah, I am serious.

Discodog

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

And what has this got to do with defending Syria? Russia clearly has the necessary military equipment in place to do so? Any escalation in a war between US and Russia would go nuclear eventually.

Of course it wouldn't. Putin is already losing money thanks to Trump's sanctions but he still has millions squirreled away. Russia would only ever consider Nuclear if Russian soil was in absolute danger.

Look what happened with the Cuban Missile Crisis. Launch one nuke & you end the World.

Oh & according to Sky New guess who sold chemical manufacturing equipment to Assad - Yes your old mate Kim

Barry Badrinath

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

It's not as simple as that.

the S-400 Battery is on the coast.
Next to the cost, running almost the entire length of the country is a mountain range, running north to south.
Anything east of these uplands are out of radar coverage.

the US more or less runs QRF over their forces in Syria from their 2 bases in Turkey.

If the US decides to be stupid, I think Russia has no real choice but to let it be over and done with.
If such a hypothetical attack is anything like last year, it will be of modest damage anyway.

Oh I know its not that simple, nothing is.

As you know, the S-400 is mobile. All it has to do is move east 100km and mountains are not a problem. Tbh, I dont think they are much of a problem anyway.

We could see an Iranian response quicker than a Russian one either.