Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

Gatling

RandomName2 wrote: »

The last time they got one of their jets shot down though, so they may be more cautious now.

Apparently not they don't do cautious ,I wouldn't be at all suprised at some point they launch a large scale air attack ,
So far it's being usually 2-3 Israeli aircraft carrying out raids since the start of the conflict

Hande hoche!

Perhaps it has become an annual tradition? Every April someone bombs a Syrian airbase.

gandalf

I wonder will the Israelis face the "dire consequences" the Russians promised the yanks, somehow I doubt it.

RandomName2

Interesting development that happened yesterday that I haven't seen widely reported

Dozens of [government] buses enter the Syrian city of Douma after an agreement was reached for release of all prisoners in Douma in return for evacuating all Jaish al-Islam militants to Jarablus and release of all SAA/civilian prisoners in enclave

Not really sure what it means in relation to the chemical attack. If that report is true, whoever used the chemical weapons was clearly attempting to gain leverage in negotiations. Could it be a government attack after all?

Doltanian

A false flag if ever there was one, America gets their Israeli stooges to act as Proxy against Russia. Putin might equip the Iranians now with something to lob into Israel and their Saudi lapdogs as a result. ISIS in Syria and Iraq is effectively state sponsored terror by Mossad and the CIA, the whole Syrian Civil War is Petro based because Assad blocked the pipeline for Qatari Gas to flow up Europe, which would reduce Russia’s monopoly on EU gas and damage Iranian exports also.

It is no surprise that Iran, North Korea and Cuba are all labelled terror states when in reality they are the last three countries without a Rothschild controlled Central Bank.

Everything we read has an agenda and we are just being brainwashed by the mass media, I suggest everyone get both sides of the story including far left and far right viewpoints and then you will see that the “truth” we are being fed is nothing but total fabricated lies.

gandalf

Gatling

Doltanian wrote: »

A false flag if ever there was one, America gets their Israeli stooges to act as Proxy against Russia. Putin might equip the Iranians now with something to lob into Israel

No they didn't Israel have being conducting airstrikes in Syria for years now ,
As with the last time trump sent in cruise missiles trump will act directly with US forces and won't hide anything about it

Barry Badrinath

Gatling wrote: »

Apparently not they don't do cautious ,I wouldn't be at all suprised at some point they launch a large scale air attack ,
So far it's being usually 2-3 Israeli aircraft carrying out raids since the start of the conflict

Correct, Israel has launched numerous airstrikes against Iranian or Iranian proxy targets in Syria over the last number of years.

Initially this morning, cruise missiles were reported as the weapon of choice for the attack. This was purely because of the recent joint U.S and French statement about a strong response to the alleged chemical attack in Douma.

The U.S 6th Fleet in the Med and the Israel Dolphin class subs have cruise missile capability and are in range of the target....very unlikely though.

Fighter jets were heard over east Lebanon at the same timeframe as the strikes...quite common to hear Israel jets on the way to bomb Syria. It's looking like the usual Israel response by firing missiles at Iranian targets from within Lebanese airspace.

They dont always fly into Syrian airspace to carry out the attacks.

Elmer Blooker

gandalf wrote: »

I wonder will the Israelis face the "dire consequences" the Russians promised the yanks, somehow I doubt it.

Note that the Israelis did not enter Syrian airspace and the attacks were launched from Lebanon.
There will be no US and French airstrikes against Syria because this "chemical attack" is YET another hoax strictly for the gullible masses. The sight of children being hosed down with presumably cold water for the cameras shows how depraved the western world has become!

Gatling

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Note that the Israelis did not enter Syrian airspace

Said who

Barry Badrinath

Gatling wrote: »

Said who

It's quite common.

tigger123

Doltanian wrote: »

A false flag if ever there was one, America gets their Israeli stooges to act as Proxy against Russia. Putin might equip the Iranians now with something to lob into Israel and their Saudi lapdogs as a result. ISIS in Syria and Iraq is effectively state sponsored terror by Mossad and the CIA, the whole Syrian Civil War is Petro based because Assad blocked the pipeline for Qatari Gas to flow up Europe, which would reduce Russia’s monopoly on EU gas and damage Iranian exports also.

It is no surprise that Iran, North Korea and Cuba are all labelled terror states when in reality they are the last three countries without a Rothschild controlled Central Bank.

Everything we read has an agenda and we are just being brainwashed by the mass media, I suggest everyone get both sides of the story including far left and far right viewpoints and then you will see that the “truth” we are being fed is nothing but total fabricated lies.

I assume your basing this on your own decades of experience in military and international diplomatic relations.

Cheers for the heads up.

beefburrito

If it's proven that Israel attacked Syria, is it justification for Syria's and their allies friend's to respond ?

Barry Badrinath

beefburrito wrote: »

If it's proven that Israel attacked Syria, is it justification for Syria's and their allies friend's to respond ?

This is a regular and ongoing occurence. It is not a Middle East game changer.

ArchXStanton

beefburrito wrote: »

If it's proven that Israel attacked Syria, is it justification for Syria's and their allies friend's to respond ?

It's Israel,they routinely break international law....no regime change for Bibi and his bunch of child killers

BoJack Horseman

beefburrito wrote: »

If it's proven that Israel attacked Syria, is it justification for Syria's and their allies friend's to respond ?

An Israeli airstrike in Syria happens every other week.

Gatling

beefburrito wrote: »

If it's proven that Israel attacked Syria, is it justification for Syria's and their allies friend's to respond ?

Like Iran and Syria

Manic Moran

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Manic Moran wrote: »

Eh?

Even the North Vietnamese claimed that shots were exchanged on 02 August. How else would they have claimed the torpedo hit on Maddox and shooting down a US aircraft? Maddox was involved in the 02 August incident.

Strange warning shots that the US claimed to have sunk two of the boats, which also left a bullet hole in the destroyer.

There no evidence the 2nd of August event happened. If there was a major incident like this on the 2nd why would they need a 4th of August false flag event to be the call to arms? Like the NSA report said they were warning shots fired and the boats left the scene.

What do you mean “no evidence”? Photographs, recordings of radio transmissions, claims from both sides, and physical damage do not count as evidence? It’s the 04 August attack which never happened. One attack could be an accident. Two would have been evidence of deliberate intent or calllous disregard.

Chrongen wrote: »

Do any of your historical facts alter the fact that North Vietnam was falsely reported as having attacked a US vessel, unprovoked, in the Gulf of Tonkin?

Nope. That does not, however, result in “false flag” as claimed. Remember the old adage, do not attribute to malice that which can be attributed to incompetence or stupidity.

Ash.J.Williams

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The Russian should stop destabilising the region by supporting the Assad government. It’s only when the US supported rebels like Isis and Al Nusra take over and kill everybody in Damascus will the region be stabilised.

Supporting the rebels worked great

mcmoustache

Doltanian wrote: »

A false flag if ever there was one, America gets their Israeli stooges to act as Proxy against Russia. Putin might equip the Iranians now with something to lob into Israel and their Saudi lapdogs as a result. ISIS in Syria and Iraq is effectively state sponsored terror by Mossad and the CIA, the whole Syrian Civil War is Petro based because Assad blocked the pipeline for Qatari Gas to flow up Europe, which would reduce Russia’s monopoly on EU gas and damage Iranian exports also.

It is no surprise that Iran, North Korea and Cuba are all labelled terror states when in reality they are the last three countries without a Rothschild controlled Central Bank.

Everything we read has an agenda and we are just being brainwashed by the mass media, I suggest everyone get both sides of the story including far left and far right viewpoints and then you will see that the “truth” we are being fed is nothing but total fabricated lies.

You left out George Soros, Cultural Marxism and Sheeple.

Elmer Blooker

RTE news has announced that so many died and were injured by this "chemical attack" according to a "Syrian medical relief group" which they did not name probably because they can't name this "group".
How can a "group" which RTE refuses to name because they can't be a reliable source? Who and what is this "group"?
This kind of shabby "journalism" is what I have come to expect from RTE.

mcmoustache

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

RTE news has announced that so many died and were injured by this "chemical attack" according to a "Syrian medical relief group" which they did not name probably because they can't name this "group".
How can a "group" which RTE refuses to name because they can't be a reliable source? Who and what is this "group"?
This kind of shabby "journalism" is what I have come to expect from RTE.

From their website:

Late on Saturday night, Syria's White Helmets, who act as first responders in opposition-held areas of Syria, said "poisonous chlorine gas" was used on Douma - the last sliver of territory held by rebels.

In a joint statement with the Syrian American Medical Society, the White Helmets said more than 500 cases were brought to medical centres "with symptoms indicative of exposure to a chemical agent".

Elmer Blooker

mcmoustache wrote: »

From their website:

Of course, those Oscar winning most photogenic "aid" workers in the world, probably the best paid "aid" workers in the world too.

It seems the UN are going to discuss this "chemical attack" BEFORE an investigation takes place which isn't surprising considering the direction that the UN has taken. It doesn't even try to be impartial anymore.

Shurimgreat

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Of course, those Oscar winning most photogenic "aid" workers in the world, probably the best paid "aid" workers in the world too.

It seems the UN are going to discuss this "chemical attack" BEFORE an investigation takes place which isn't surprising considering the direction that the UN has taken. It doesn't even try to be impartial anymore.

"Internet warrior slates frontline first responders" shocker!

Stick to the virtual world Elmer and let the White Helmets get on with the real world.

mcmoustache

Shurimgreat wrote: »

"Internet warrior slates frontline first responders" shocker!

Stick to the virtual world Elmer and let the White Helmets get on with the real world.

The Russians sure hate them for some reason.

archer22

The Syrian government and their allies are winning...the terrorists and their masters are beyond desperate and doing desperate things to try and snatch victory from defeat.

It's all as plain as day.

BTW it's quite shocking though that there are people posting here in support of the kind of savages that have been running amok on the streets of Europe :eek:

Elmer Blooker

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Each are surrounded by numerous ships with modern anti missile defences.

Obsolete? Which is why the Chinese are trying desperately to build their own, the UK are building two and every other major nation has at least one.

Ita not actually the ships that count, its the airpower on them. You can't fight a modern war without airpower. And you need a platform to get them near the battle. So not obsolete at all.

An internet armchair military strategist calling me an internet warrior! I'm amused.

Why do the White Helmets only go where the Jihadist terrorists go?
Citizens in liberated Aleppo were asked what did they think of the White Helmets, most never heard of them and others said "they never helped us".
They only exist for photo opportunities.

beefburrito

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

An internet armchair military strategist calling me an internet warrior! I'm amused.

Why do the White Helmets only go where the Jihadist terrorists go?
Citizens in liberated Aleppo were asked what did they think of the White Helmets, most never heard of them and others said "they never helped us".
They only exist for photo opportunities.

It wouldn't be hard to emulate a white helmet.

Cheerful Spring

Manic Moran wrote: »

What do you mean “no evidence”? Photographs, recordings of radio transmissions, claims from both sides, and physical damage do not count as evidence? It’s the 04 August attack which never happened. One attack could be an accident. Two would have been evidence of deliberate intent or calllous disregard.
.

There is no evidence the Vietnamese hit the Maddox with a torpedo hit and they shot down a US plane? There is evidence of an encounter on the 2nd warning shots were fired and maybe one or a few Vietnamese bullets hit the Maddox. The incident you described on the 2nd would be enough for the Americans to start a war. The 4th of August incident would be irrelevant even though we know this incident never happened and we both agree on that. The 4th of August incident was the catalyst the White House used to escalate the Vietnam war.

iamwhoiam

And once again little children suffer the sheer folly of adults . Will we ever learn ? Its the same cycle of war and hatred and children suffering for something they have no control over