Israel attacks Syria

nacho libre

Gringo180 wrote: »

But what would NATO do without all that hysterical propaganda? They need a bad guy to continue surrounding Russia.

If conflicts didn't exist the likes of the big armament industries on both sides would need to invent them- or Governments on their behalf would. I don't see either side(America or Russia) as virtuous- just big powers with competing interests.

Gringo180

nacho libre wrote: »

If conflicts didn't exist the likes of the big armament industries on both sides would need to invent them- or Governments on their behalf would. I don't see either side(America or Russia) as virtuous- just big powers with competing interests.

Agree although the Americans by far the worse of the 2.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Highly unlikely the Iranians captured it intact. A drone falling from the sky would have smashed into different pieces.

Not necessarily true at all ,

The widely considered belief is the drone was hacked by foreign cyber warfare specialist's and landed under control,
Another theory is it was actually a Trojan Horse which was allowed to be captured knowing several other nations wanted to access it's data and other information

nacho libre

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Highly unlikely the Iranians captured it intact. A drone falling from the sky would have smashed into different pieces. Stealth only means undetectable to radar it can be spotted in the air still and even heard. If all we know the Isreali helicopter spotted it on a routine mission and opened fire on it?

I actually wasn't aware they could be heard. I had assumed they would be silent. Also at what altitude do they tend to operate at?
You maybe right. Who knows.

Gatling

Gringo180 wrote: »

Ah yeah shure its only 5 NATO members that share a border with Russia.

Share 1/16th of their border with Russia ,

Basic maths suggest that the surrounding of Russia is a lie.

But let's get back to Syria

nacho libre

Gatling wrote: »

Share 1/16th of their border with Russia ,

Basic maths suggest that the surrounding of Russia is a lie

Surrounding their borders is not quite accurate, the idea is to decrease their sphere of influence so that Russia has less satellite/compliant states on its borders. This is why the Russians probably felt the need to do what they did in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Not necessarily true at all ,

The widely considered belief is the drone was hacked by foreign cyber warfare specialist's and landed under control,
Another theory is it was actually a Trojan Horse which was allowed to be captured knowing several other nations wanted to access it's data and other information

Why can't the Iranians have hacked it? North Korea and Iranian are not incapable people. Less American TV you learn that.

Cheerful Spring

nacho libre wrote: »

I actually wasn't aware they could be heard. I had assumed they would be silent. Also at what altitude do they tend to operate at?
You maybe right. Who knows.

I not aware of any aeroplane or drone that can run silently. They got engines there going to be noise. 30,000 feet I believe is the highest altitude a drone can reach.

BowSideChamp

Chrongen wrote: »

Drones carrying "grenades"?

What would be the purpose of this when a mobile mortars or artillery would do the same thing? Who would tie a grenade to an off the shelf drone that has a range of maybe 5 kilometres and a flight/battery life of 25 minutes?

Why would anyone do that?

Improvised explosives on a drone? Why? That makes ZERO sense.

There is videos on YouTube/LiveLeak of this happening in Syria.

Cheerful Spring

BowSideChamp wrote: »

There is videos on YouTube/LiveLeak of this happening in Syria.

Islamic groups are using drones to drop grenades/small bombs on positions they are unable to get at. US military, Russia, Israel even Iran would use guided missiles and larger ordnance for attacks.

Chrongen

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Have you seen a DJI Mavic Pro?
You can literally collapse it up and fit it in your pocket.
(Granted they wouldnt carry much...but...)
Take something a bit stronger and stick some c4 on it, and fly it in the window of a building , down stairs etc.. Ultimate in portable smart bomb for relatively peanuts. Theres also the reconnaissance bonus of them.
Aussies are already using them to drop inflatables to swimmers.
They're changing warfare.

And tell me, what kind of a range would that have, what kind of flight time and what facilities on board the device would allow the remote control of pulling a pin on a grenade that it is carrying?

Furthermore, why would this idiotic concept that Gatling claims is already in operation, outstrip the effectiveness of launching a shell from a cannon and then taking it away.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Why can't the Iranians have hacked it? North Korea and Iranian are not incapable people. Less American TV you learn that.

Don't watch American TV sorry,

Gatling

Chrongen wrote: »

Gatling claims is already in operation, outstrip the effectiveness of launching a shell from a cannon and then taking it away.

Fact it's used In Syria and has been for several years ,

Engineering at it's basics .

Chrongen

I suppose the thing is this, certainly when it comes to debates about the "great game" in the Middle East,

Western powers have always wanted to appropriate resources and usurp governments that are in the way. This has been the case for any country who has wnted to determine its own future. This applies to Venezuela, Cuba, Vietnam, Indonesia, The Phillipines, Sudan...

Maybe Lebanon, Syria, Iran. these are all countries that want to completely be free. The result is that the US calls them thug nations that are a threat to the global financial and security order.

The reason why there is a dreadful 20 year war in Asia is not because of anything to do with terrorism. It has to do with putting obstacles in the way of competitors.

The US Doctrine was to scream about "communism", and this last for generations. The US is now funding the Kurdish YPG that are probably more militantly Leninist than any humans on Earth.

The US Doctrine is to defend small nations...at least it was when Wilson established the League Of Nations, yet in the same year his company machine gunned thousands in Honduras and Guatamala at the behest of a company that he was a fairly substantial shareholder.

On this board, lies, when exposed are ignored, and that right there shows, exposes cowardice.

When someone lies to me, I give them a second chance...demandinng and explanation for the duplicity. When they do it again my honour is never going to be used and spat at by that again.

Why don't we look at WMD's, or is that someting that ought now to be forgottten?

How about Mattis who admitted that all reports of Syrian governmental forces poisoning civilians were in fact a lie:

https://apnews.com/bd533182b7f244a4b771c73a0b601ec5

And this was lies that people wanted to use to kill more people.

What about the Dutch FM who blatantly lied stating that Putin ( who dismantled the USSR) wanted to create a new one?

https://www.rt.com/news/418556-dutch-minister-lie-putin/



Can you come up with any more lies, or do you just like the game?

Gatling

American bad

Russia good and everything else is lies ,



After all of that

Roger Hassenforder

Chrongen wrote: »

And tell me, what kind of a range would that have, what kind of flight time and what facilities on board the device would allow the remote control of pulling a pin on a grenade that it is carrying?

Furthermore, why would this idiotic concept that Gatling claims is already in operation, outstrip the effectiveness of launching a shell from a cannon and then taking it away.

A little piece of metal? Fired from a shoulderthunderstick? By one man? Costs a few shillings?
Sure that'll never catch on. Why would it when my 4 horses will drag this cannon that can fire a cannonball through a wall, albeit after we take some time to set it up. Reloading, repositioning and accuracy an issue, but we're working on it...

Jeez
Whats with the grenade thing?

Chrongen

More lying pieces of shit:

http://www.eurasiafuture.com/2018/02/13/1589/

Or maybe I'm just a Putinbot America-hater.

Gatling

Chrongen wrote: »

Or maybe I'm just a Putinbot America-hater.

And this has what to do with Iranian drones getting shot down in Israel.

Chrongen

Gatling wrote: »

And this has what to do with Iranian drones getting shot down in Israel.

Well, lies, in general.

I asked you to show how a drone was immediately determined to be Iranian. An Episode that Iran stringently denies. The "guys" that you consistently believe have shown themselves to be pathological liars.

So, my question would be this....since you have been lied to, ad nauseum, and those lies have been shown then why would you continue to believe what they tell you and believe that others are lying to you?

Once I'm lied to, I have a smidgen of doubt about the word from that source. When it happens a second or third or fourth time then I have no faith or respect in that person's word or even opinion.

Why do you?

Gatling

Chrongen wrote: »

Well, lies, in general.

Not really no , Iranian drone shot down is well common knowledge .
Iran claimed it wasn't their's but make no mention of their men killed and equipment destroyed on the day by airstrikes ,
No denials from Syria , Russia or anyone else about who's drone it was ,

But not for the first time on boards we get similar posters saying the same thing , russians good , Americans bad ,

They disappear and come back with a new name and the same agenda ,and the same posts
crying lie while telling lies

Victor

Gatling wrote: »

All agree it's a copy of an American design ,

It's not stealth or anything like it ,

Otherwise Israel would never have been able to track it from take off

nacho libre wrote: »

If it was a stealth aircraft, then the Israelis would not have been able to detect it. Unless they have developed technology that can actually now detect supposedly stealth aircraft? Is this what you are getting at?

Inverse square root law. If you double the distance between radar and target, you reduce the apparent target size to a quarter. If you reduce the distance between radar and target, you increase the apparent target size fourfold. If a radar can detect a passenger plane hundreds of km away, it may be able to detect a stealthy target at a much closer range.

Alternatively, much stealth technology has concentrated on the wavelengths used by fire control radars. Combined with active electronic interference, this makes it difficult to find and then target stealthy targets. For 20 years, it has been known that Russia, Ukraine and India have been working on radars that use different wavelengths. It wouldn't be a stretch to think that so have Israel and other countries.

Gatling wrote: »

But there not unfortunately

This is how the USSR (conveniently) saw the USA and its allies during the Cold War - surrounding the USSR.



Things have changed, but the Russians see things as just as bad as before.

BuilderPlumber

America sets things up and send a drone Israel's way. Israel then blames Iran. Israel then have excuse to go into Syria on more or less the same side as ... ISIS.

BuilderPlumber

Gatling wrote: »

Not really no , Iranian drone shot down is well common knowledge .
Iran claimed it wasn't their's but make no mention of their men killed and equipment destroyed on the day by airstrikes ,
No denials from Syria , Russia or anyone else about who's drone it was ,

But not for the first time on boards we get similar posters saying the same thing , russians good , Americans bad ,

They disappear and come back with a new name and the same agenda ,and the same posts
crying lie while telling lies

I believe the Iranians here. That drone came from one source only .. Trump's America. Israel knows full well about this and set it up with America. At least, they could have done the decent thing and pinned it on ISIS. But no.

Fiery mutant

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

America sets things up and send a drone Israel's way. Israel then blames Iran. Israel then have excuse to go into Syria on more or less the same side as ... ISIS.

You’d be hard pushed to find a more ridiculous post than this one one this thread. There have been a few doozies, but this takes the biscuit.

Fiery mutant

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

I believe the Iranians here. That drone came from one source only .. Trump's America. Israel knows full well about this and set it up with America. At least, they could have done the decent thing and pinned it on ISIS. But no.

You’re on a roll here. Between yourself and the guy that can’t read (CheerfulSpring) the two of you’s make an excellent couple.

BuilderPlumber

Fiery mutant wrote: »

You’re on a roll here. Between yourself and the guy that can’t read (CheerfulSpring) the two of you’s make an excellent couple.

Netanyahu and Trump can fool the word with their war games and blame everyone else. No wonder we have guys like this leading these war mongers when people cannot even see through them. A third world country producing a drone or 2 first world countries doing so? This is American/Israeli technology not from the third world.

Victor

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Netanyahu and Trump can fool the word with their war games and blame everyone else. No wonder we have guys like this leading these war mongers when people cannot even see through them. A third world country producing a drone or 2 first world countries doing so? This is American/Israeli technology not from the third world.

Iran has a population of 82 million and has an established aviation industry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Aircraft_manufacturers_of_Iran It's not a world leader, but it is capable. "Third world" doesn't dictate the sophistication of a country's aviation industry.

Joshua J

Chrongen wrote: »

Well, lies, in general.

I asked you to show how a drone was immediately determined to be Iranian. An Episode that Iran stringently denies. The "guys" that you consistently believe have shown themselves to be pathological liars.

So, my question would be this....since you have been lied to, ad nauseum, and those lies have been shown then why would you continue to believe what they tell you and believe that others are lying to you?

Once I'm lied to, I have a smidgen of doubt about the word from that source. When it happens a second or third or fourth time then I have no faith or respect in that person's word or even opinion.

Why do you?

The thought never crossed his mind.

Elmer Blooker

Chrongen wrote: »

Once I'm lied to, I have a smidgen of doubt about the word from that source. When it happens a second or third or fourth time then I have no faith or respect in that person's word or even opinion.

Why do you?

As Goebbels said, if you tell a lie and keep repeating it people will believe it.

I feel that a "gas attack" by Assad on his own people is now imminent, followed by the photos of children and "activists" claiming that a maternity hospital was deliberately targeted- the usual stuff. No one ever questions why there are no journalists operating in jihadist held territory and ALL the information we receive is from these "activists".

Gatling

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

As Goebbels said, if you tell a lie and keep repeating it people will believe it.

I feel that a "gas attack" by Assad on his own people

Still telling people it's all a lie and fake ,

Actually back to weaponised drones

From the daily mirror of all places .

It actually shows the results drones carrying grenade's

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-jihadi-fighters-returning-uk-12023116