Israel attacks Syria

bilston

Waking up to some potentially serious breaking news. Israeli warplanes are attacking Syria and have attacked Iranian targets. One Israeli plane is reported to have been shot down.

Sky and BBC reporting this...

Blazer

meh..samo samo.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43014081

bilston

Israel saying they were responding to an Iranian drone coming into contact with an Israeli helicopter. It's not clear whether this occurred over Israeli airspace. Presumably it did leading to the Israeli response.

bilston

Blazer wrote: »

meh..samo samo.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43014081

But is it?

Have Israeli warplanes struck Iranian warplanes in Syria before?

rockatansky

Nothing really serious about it to be honest. They attack Syria quite regularly. The plane came down in Israel with the pilots ejected before it crashed.

Omackeral

This sounds pretty Syrias actually, don't mind the guy above me.

buried

Hande hoche!

If it was shot down, probably the first IDF jet lost in a good while. Probably for the best that the pilots were over Israeli territory when they ejected.

ArchXStanton

bilston wrote: »

Israel saying they were responding to an Iranian drone coming into contact with an Israeli helicopter. It's not clear whether this occurred over Israeli airspace. Presumably it did leading to the Israeli response.

Would you believe anything out of the Israelis..

Hande hoche!

Bibi Netanyahu would probably enjoy a distraction, Syria might offer him one.

Gatling

Pretty regular occurrence at this stage ,the only new suprise is the loss of an Israeli aircraft as pointed out above is the first in a long time ,
What comes next is the great unknown,

I'd expect a large scale assault taking out any and all anti air batteries belonging to Assad and Iran at some stage

BoJack Horseman

bilston wrote: »

Waking up to some potentially serious breaking news. Israeli warplanes are attacking Syria and have attacked Iranian targets

They've been doing this frequently for the last several years.

You should go back to sleep before you find out that the Falklands were invaded in 82.

Atoms for Peace

Maybe you should check out whats happening in northern Syria OP.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Omackeral wrote: »

This sounds pretty Syrias actually, don't mind the guy above me.

Dude, this isn't just Syrias. It's super Syrias. Like, Israeli Syrias.

Cheerful Spring

rockatansky wrote: »

Nothing really serious about it to be honest. They attack Syria quite regularly. The plane came down in Israel with the pilots ejected before it crashed.

All war is serious. And lets us not forget Russian forces are inside Syria now and Isreal could easily kill Russians by mistake. The plane was shot down while under fire. Isreal is playing a dangerous game. You don't see Iran and Syria sending fighter jets into Isreal to attack targets.

c.p.w.g.w

Their allowed to do what they want sure because of the h....

rockatansky

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You don't see Iran and Syria sending fighter jets into Isreal to attack targets.

Yes because they both know that you choose your battles.

Iran isn't going to send in it's F-14s into Israel for the simple reason that not one of them would return.

Cheerful Spring

rockatansky wrote: »

Yes because they both know that you choose your battles.

Iran isn't going to send in it's F-14s into Israel for the simple reason that not one of them would return.

Point is Isreal is making moves again Iran and Syria. If they wanted those countries could easily attack Isreal with ease. Iranians have cruise missiles. Just saying we don't need another war in the middle east.

Rhys Essien

Russia have now issued a warning to Israel.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/unacceptable-endanger-lives-russian-soldiers-syria-moscow-132257065.html

rockatansky

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Point is Isreal is making moves again Iran and Syria. If they wanted those countries could easily attack Isreal with ease. Iranians have cruise missiles. Just saying we don't need another war in the middle east.

You really believe Syria and Iran could attack Israel with ease?

This isn't going to escalate into more than an incident. Israel will respond with more air strikes, then pull back.

Cheerful Spring

rockatansky wrote: »

You really believe Syria and Iran could attack Israel with ease?

This isn't going to escalate into more than an incident. Israel will respond with more air strikes, then pull back.

You forget the Lebanon vs Isreal war in 2006. Isreal sustained heavy losses was the reason they retreated. Hezbollah was successful was the Iranians supplied them with better weaponry to fight with. Iranians have modernised their army capabilities in the last decade, they have missile capability to hit Isreal.

I not saying it will escalate, but there is always a chance it will when you got different countries killing each other soldiers on the ground.

The anti-aircraft batteries that shot down the Isreal jet are operated by Russians and Syrians at the Kheimim air base. Isreal was to go nuts and hit the Kheimim base, the likely kill Russian personnel. Of course, Isreal could warn ahead of time, but the element of surprise is no longer there for the attack.

biko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rix1VZOYfSU

biko

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

... Isreal ... Isreal ... Isreal. ... Isreal ... Isreal ... Isreal ..

Did you mean: Israel?

jacksie66

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rockatansky

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You forget the Lebanon vs Isreal war in 2006.

No I dont. Your statement was Iran and Syria attacking Israel, not Lebanese Hezbollah.

And the point I'm making is that is not going to happen as a result of this shooting down.

Odhinn

bilston wrote: »

Waking up to some potentially serious breaking news. Israeli warplanes are attacking Syria and have attacked Iranian targets. One Israeli plane is reported to have been shot down.

Sky and BBC reporting this...

They've bombed them before and will do so again.

Atoms for Peace

jacksie66 wrote: »

Israel couldn't conquer Syria with its puppets in the US military and ISIS so it's doing it's own dirty work now..

Why would Israel want to conquer Syria?

Victor

Nothing new: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Israeli_airstrikes_against_targets_in_Syria

ArchXStanton

Don't know why they are crying over a downed jet...in all fairness they worked hard for it

Cheerful Spring

rockatansky wrote: »

No I dont. Your statement was Iran and Syria attacking Israel, not Lebanese Hezbollah.

And the point I'm making is that is not going to happen as a result of this shooting down.

A war with Iran will involve Lebanon, I think you know this? What makes this different we don't know if Russians fired on the Isreali jet. There is a lot we don't know any this time. Isreal has attacked since this downing of the plane and carried out more strikes inside Syria. It could end abruptly or could escalate to a wider conflict, we have to wait and see.

riffmongous

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Why would Israel want to conquer Syria?

Some sort of mad evangelical plot to bring about the Apocalypse

Hande hoche!

Now the Syrian Kurds have shot down a Turkish chopper.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-helicopte/turkish-helicopter-shot-down-by-kurdish-militia-in-syrias-afrin-erdogan-idUSKBN1FU0M3

Cheerful Spring

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Now the Syrian Kurds have shot down a Turkish chopper.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-helicopte/turkish-helicopter-shot-down-by-kurdish-militia-in-syrias-afrin-erdogan-idUSKBN1FU0M3

This is terrible the Kurds and Turks can't sort out their differences, but this conflict is not really a threat to global peace. A war involving Iran and Isreal is dangerous as it potentially can drag in world powers.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You don't see Iran and Syria sending fighter jets into Isreal to attack targets.

There is a simple reason why ,

They haven't got the aircraft or weapons to fly into Israeli airspace to mount an attack ,
They also know that Israel would wipe out both Assads and Irans airforces in a counter strike

Gatling

I noticed that we got no mention of the US strikes against pro Assad militias the other day that tried to attack American backed force's , between 100 and 500 pro assad forces were killed

Hande hoche!

Gatling wrote: »

I noticed that we got no mention of the US strikes against pro Assad militias the other day that tried to attack American backed force's , between 100 and 500 pro assad forces were killed

The Americans have bombed pro Assad forces for encroaching on their position in the past. An Israeli jet being shot down is a first for this century.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

There is a simple reason why ,

They haven't got the aircraft or weapons to fly into Israeli airspace to mount an attack ,
They also know that Israel would wipe out both Assads and Irans airforces in a counter strike

Yes, they do have, the refuelling of jets is the problem. Iran to Israel is a long distance to travel. If they stationed Iranian fighters in Syria this would reduce the flight time. Iran knows Israel would target those planes if they stationed them there.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Yes, they do have, the refuelling of jets is the problem. Iran to Israel is a long distance to travel. If they stationed Iranian fighters in Syria this would reduce the flight time. Iran knows Israel would target those planes if they stationed them there.

A few 60's and 70's era f4 phantoms and f14 tomcats and a few mig 29s
Vs
The latest.variants f15s ,f16s, with the latest weapons systems and avionics and electronic warfare systems ,

Let's see who wins

Widdershins

Anything to do with Erdogan invading Syria? Or perhaps the ISIS terrorists? I'm not aware of the details of the issue the post is about, but there seems to be scant awareness of the invasion by Erdogan, on Boards

Hande hoche!

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Now the Syrian Kurds have shot down a Turkish chopper.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-helicopte/turkish-helicopter-shot-down-by-kurdish-militia-in-syrias-afrin-erdogan-idUSKBN1FU0M3

Johnny Turk gets a bloody nose. I’ll not mourn that......

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

A few 60's and 70's era f4 phantoms and f14 tomcats and a few mig 29s
Vs
The latest.variants f15s ,f16s, with the latest weapons systems and avionics and electronic warfare systems ,

Let's see who wins

They are domestically producing modern fighter aircraft now Qaher F-313 stealth fighter jet and F35 fighter jet. I never said they beat the Israeli fighters in an air battle. They do have aircraft that can hit Israel targets.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

They are domestically producing modern fighter aircraft now Qaher F-313 stealth fighter jet and F35 fighter jet. I never said they beat the Israeli fighters in an air battle. They do have aircraft that can hit Israel targets.

They are producing stealth.

Hahahaha

Oh boy



Again they don't

tomofson

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This is terrible the Kurds and Turks can't sort out their differences, but this conflict is not really a threat to global peace. A war involving Iran and Isreal is dangerous as it potentially can drag in world powers.

The reality is money would talk the loudest in a situation like this, which means everyone would back Israel.

Atoms for Peace

riffmongous wrote: »

Some sort of mad evangelical plot to bring about the Apocalypse

Make sense those jews did kill Jesus after all.

Odhinn

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Make sense those jews did kill Jesus after all.

I thought it was the protestants, meself.

riffmongous

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Make sense those jews did kill Jesus after all.

It's the most bizarre political alliance ever, evangelicals want all the Jews to be converted or be sent to hell, but are their biggest supporters until then

Barry Badrinath

Widdershins wrote: »

Anything to do with Erdogan invading Syria? Or perhaps the ISIS terrorists? I'm not aware of the details of the issue the post is about, but there seems to be scant awareness of the invasion by Erdogan, on Boards

The Astana agreement led Turkey, Iran and Russia to be guaranturs of various "de-escalation" zones throughout Syria.

Part of Turkeys responsibility was to establish and monitor the Idlib/Aleppo de-escalation zone by building watch towers and placing Turkish troops on the ground in northern Idlib.

This strategic move seems to have been a well thought out premptive ploy by Erdogan to ensure that the Kurds could not manoeuvre anywhere once Erdogan launched his offensive in the Afrin Canton. The Kurds are boxed in with nowhere to go.

These Israeli airstrikes have nothing to do with the situation up north. Israel has consistently warned all regional players that any Iranian or Shiite presence near Israeli territory will not be tolerated. Despite this, there is quite a large Iranian presence in southern Syria.

The Israeli airstrike in itself is not a big deal, the Syrian/Iranian response by accurately targeting and downing an Israeli jet is significant. Its the first time in 30 years that it has happened.

Israel regularly carries out airstirkes in Syria and Syria regularly uses anti aircraft weapons on the jets but they never usually hit them.

The question of escalation is the worry over the next 24hrs.

Del.Monte

Got love all the childish remarks in this thread - shure war is just a video game and we can all go back an re-spawn if things escalate. :rolleyes:

Samsgirl

Family member serving in Lebanon with the Defence Forces and this hapened very close to him. He saw the plane coming down and crashing.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

They are producing stealth.

Hahahaha

Oh boy



Again they don't

Stealth is not new technology it two decades old. Iran is building stealth aircraft how good the planes are operationally who can say?

Cheerful Spring

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Make sense those jews did kill Jesus after all.

It was Romans nailed him to the cross and it was his buddy Judas allegedly betrayed him. Jewish people did not kill him. Of course, who can say if he ever truly lived?