‪Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread IX: The Last Jordi [****]

irishfan9

Granny15 wrote: »

Ferg may be stronger than Reid but they are around the same height weight

They are nothing alike physically

Clegg

Serious case of pot calling kettle black on this page.

Neil3030

Noel Reid absolutely emptied their 8 at one point tonight.

(there's a phrase I never thought I'd say)

Tox56

leakyboots wrote: »

nagdefy - I don't necessarily agree with promoting Larmour straight to the Irish squad, it seems like on here as soon as some new Leinster young 'un puts in an eye-catching performance the calls go out to push him for international inclusion. He's an exciting talent for sure though, if he keeps turning out performances like he's shown capable of he'll put himself in the frame for a 15 jersey that is becoming more available.

You definitely have a point on the atmosphere in the forum. I read for anonymously for years before deciding to join and have picked up on it since posting that there's a cosy little core group of posters who dominate and constantly cast little barbs, jibes and in-jokes at things that go outside the perceived group-think or view. Some seem to get off lighter than others when it comes to pushing site rule boundaries.

Makes the place tedious at times, which is a shame.

I’ve seen the critique of this forum as being ‘cliquey’ like you suggest a few times in a few different places, but I don’t really get it to be honest. Speaking as someone who used to comment a lot on this forum but gave on it, by far and away the most tedious thing on here is the negativity and provincial infighting, from all supporters. It literally never ends, and it completely drove me away from what is otherwise a good place to discuss rugby.

Just happened to be reading the rugby forum again and saw this, and thought I’d give my two cents on it

leakyboots

Tox56 wrote: »

I’ve seen the critique of this forum as being ‘cliquey’ like you suggest a few times in a few different places, but I don’t really get it to be honest. Speaking as someone who used to comment a lot on this forum but gave on it, by far and away the most tedious thing on here is the negativity and provincial infighting, from all supporters. It literally never ends, and it completely drove me away from what is otherwise a good place to discuss rugby.

Just happened to be reading the rugby forum again and saw this, and thought I’d give my two cents on it

Fair enough, I was just chucking in my two cents too, people can make of it what they will I guess.

You should post more btw, you were always one of the more balanced ones

Former Former

Cold one last night...

I hate hyping up young players but it's getting hard not to be very excited by Larmour. Ross Byrne was very good in all aspects. The Dragons were so bad that it's hard to put it into real context though. Josh Murphy had a good showing too.

Of the old guys, Fardy looks like an inspired signing and McFadden was absolutely flying.

Thought Reid and ROL were poor though.

Buer

Former Former wrote:

Thought Reid and ROL were poor though.

A lot of good possession died in midfield. Most of the good work from our back three came from kicked posession or midfield being cut out.

Fardy looks a fantastic signing. A big signing would often go through the motions for a game like that but he was dominant.

nagdefy

leakyboots wrote: »

nagdefy - I don't necessarily agree with promoting Larmour straight to the Irish squad, it seems like on here as soon as some new Leinster young 'un puts in an eye-catching performance the calls go out to push him for international inclusion. He's an exciting talent for sure though, if he keeps turning out performances like he's shown capable of he'll put himself in the frame for a 15 jersey that is becoming more available.

You definitely have a point on the atmosphere in the forum. I read for anonymously for years before deciding to join and have picked up on it since posting that there's a cosy little core group of posters who dominate and constantly cast little barbs, jibes and in-jokes at things that go outside the perceived group-think or view. Some seem to get off lighter than others when it comes to pushing site rule boundaries.

Makes the place tedious at times, which is a shame.

Thank you. Re. Larmour,nothing to do with him being a Leinster kid. I've watched him for a while and think he's something different.

Thanks again.

leakyboots

leakyboots wrote: »

nagdefy - I don't necessarily agree with promoting Larmour straight to the Irish squad, it seems like on here as soon as some new Leinster young 'un puts in an eye-catching performance the calls go out to push him for international inclusion. He's an exciting talent for sure though, if he keeps turning out performances like he's shown capable of he'll put himself in the frame for a 15 jersey that is becoming more available.

You definitely have a point on the atmosphere in the forum. I read for anonymously for years before deciding to join and have picked up on it since posting that there's a cosy little core group of posters who dominate and constantly cast little barbs, jibes and in-jokes at things that go outside the perceived group-think or view. Some seem to get off lighter than others when it comes to pushing site rule boundaries.

Makes the place tedious at times, which is a shame.

This is incredibly rich from the person who coined this phrase:

leakyboots wrote: »

Classic Daverage

And who regularly shows up in Leinter match threads making no apologies for gleefully cheering for the opposition?

Only 1 person was calling for Larmour to be fast tracked and everyone disagreed. You did the same thing two months ago when someone said Barry Daly probably deserved a call up more than Adam Byrne:

leakyboots wrote: »

Steady the horses on Daly, what is it with this place and as soon as someone in blue turns in a decent performance they're automatically parachuted into the Irish squad? Exciting prospect though he is

If you want to improve the atmosphere on the forum, you can start with yourself to be honest.

irishbucsfan

Buer wrote: »

A lot of good possession died in midfield. Most of the good work from our back three came from kicked posession or midfield being cut out.

Fardy looks a fantastic signing. A big signing would often go through the motions for a game like that but he was dominant.

ROL has struggled this season, both defensively and going forward. Hopefully he's on a learning curve and he'll get there.

Reid has always been hit and miss.

There's definitely a lack of depth there. That'll need to be filled by either those lads stepping up or someone stepping up from the academy.

baas baa

Think ROL is a condfidence player, his demeanor seems to slump when he’s not playing well and ends up trying to force things.

At times last night Byrne was striking the ball with a confidence and an assuredness that reminded me of ROG.

Sanjuro

Any highlights of last night's game? Was stuck at a family dinner that was insufferably dull.

Peregrine

Sanjuro wrote: »

Any highlights of last night's game? Was stuck at a family dinner that was insufferably dull.

I missed it and was hoping to watch the full match on TG4 but the website doesn't seem to be working.

Sanjuro

Peregrine wrote: »

I missed it and was hoping to watch the full match on TG4 but the website doesn't seem to be working.

leakyboots

Deleted User wrote: »

This is incredibly rich from the person who coined this phrase:



And who regularly shows up in Leinter match threads making no apologies for gleefully cheering for the opposition?

Only 1 person was calling for Larmour to be fast tracked and everyone disagreed. You did the same thing two months ago when someone said Barry Daly probably deserved a call up more than Adam Byrne:



If you want to improve the atmosphere on the forum, you can start with yourself to be honest.

What are you on about? I cheered Leinster on, in the stadium, in all three of their Heineken Cup wins.

And I find it a bit rich for the person on a constant, tedious windup in here taking offence at me poking fun at DK.

Neil3030

Buer wrote: »

A lot of good possession died in midfield. Most of the good work from our back three came from kicked posession or midfield being cut out.

How would Larmour go in midfield? Might solve two problems....

CatFromHue

93-26 over the two games against Dragons......pffft Taylor Swift could do better than that

.ak

Neil3030 wrote: »

How would Larmour go in midfield? Might solve two problems....

He slotted in there in a game a while ago because of injuries and didn't look out of place.

.ak

Venjur/leakyboots give it up and drop the backseat moderation

awec

Mod Note

This is the Leinster thread, as so nobody should be surprised when it is overwhelmingly pro-Leinster players. If you don't like that don't read this thread. The message is the same for all other provincial threads, if Leinster fans don't like Munster fans bigging up their own players in the Munster thread then they're welcome not to read it.

Regarding cliques. Everyone and anyone is welcome to post here so long as they are objective. Not liking a certain player is not reason enough to come in and continue to post negatively about them. And on the other hand, someone objectively discussing a particular player is welcome to talk about their concerns without being shot down with witty one-liners or outright dismissed by supporters of that province just because they're a new poster.

If anyone has any questions about this, or concerns about the moderation here feel free to PM any of us.

awec

.ak wrote: »

Venjur/leakyboots give it up and drop the backseat moderation

awec wrote: »

Mod Note

This is the Leinster thread, as so nobody should be surprised when it is overwhelmingly pro-Leinster players. If you don't like that don't read this thread. The message is the same for all other provincial threads, if Leinster fans don't like Munster fans bigging up their own players in the Munster thread then they're welcome not to read it.

Regarding cliques. Everyone and anyone is welcome to post here so long as they are objective. Not liking a certain player is not reason enough to come in and continue to post negatively about them. And on the other hand, someone objectively discussing a particular player is welcome to talk about their concerns without being shot down with witty one-liners or outright dismissed by supporters of that province just because they're a new poster.

If anyone has any questions about this, or concerns about the moderation here feel free to PM any of us.

The moderation here is a well oiled machine. I swears.

pickarooney

.awek

Like Biarritz and Bayonne

thomond2006

Larmour looks like an exciting prospect. His footwork is excellent.
One small concern was the handbags he got involved in last night, hopefully he doesn't always carry that kind of temper!

Clegg

Neil3030 wrote: »

Buer wrote: »

A lot of good possession died in midfield. Most of the good work from our back three came from kicked posession or midfield being cut out.

How would Larmour go in midfield? Might solve two problems....

He played there in schools but his future is in the back three. Give him open field to run into. Henshaw and Ringrose have the midfield slots nailed down for the next decade anyway.

Clegg

I'm glad something was said about the situation in this thread. Nothing wrong with a good troll, but discussion was derailed for pages and pages by a small number of posters whose sole purpose was to **** things up.

durthacht

thomond2006 wrote: »

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One small concern was the handbags he got involved in last night, hopefully he doesn't always carry that kind of temper!

Quite right. That stuff has no place on the pitch.

But on boards.ie it's practically compulsory... :)

thomond2006

thomond2006 wrote: »

Larmour looks like an exciting prospect. His footwork is excellent.
One small concern was the handbags he got involved in last night, hopefully he doesn't always carry that kind of temper!

I'd probably respectfully disagree here. I don't think Leinster have near enough dog at times and I quite liked that Larmour, Fardy and JGP were continually in Dragons faces. We probably need someone ultra competitive and a bit cynical in the back 3.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Does anyone know how long Peter Dooley and Cathal Marsh have on their contracts. I honestly feel they are too good to be 4th choice.

Also with the emergency of Barry Daly, Adam Byrne and Jordan Lamour and the arrival of Lowe we have some incredible depth in the back 3.

Clegg

Dooley is good but I'm not sure Marsh is much cop. Reminds me of Madigan on a bad day.

thomond2006

Dooley might have been an option for Ulster? Van Der Merwe is there next season, I don't know about the others.

errlloyd

Dooleys gas when he made that break in the first half was unreal.

Just watched the game there with no commentary and the benefit of having read boards. Larmour was brilliant. Like not just at the end when everyone was tired. The whole way through. Hitting rucks, diving on loose balls. People rightly talk about how good RK is at covering the backfield, Larmour seemed just as good.

Great game. He might actually have a chance of nosing into a training squad if he can stay injury free.

irishfan9

errlloyd wrote: »

Dooleys gas when he made that break in the first half was unreal.

Just watched the game there with no commentary and the benefit of having read boards. Larmour was brilliant. Like not just at the end when everyone was tired. The whole way through. Hitting rucks, diving on loose balls. People rightly talk about how good RK is at covering the backfield, Larmour seemed just as good.

Great game. He might actually have a chance of nosing into a training squad if he can stay injury free.

That was byrne

Granny15

errlloyd wrote: »

Dooleys gas when he made that break in the first half was unreal.

Just watched the game there with no commentary and the benefit of having read boards. Larmour was brilliant. Like not just at the end when everyone was tired. The whole way through. Hitting rucks, diving on loose balls. People rightly talk about how good RK is at covering the backfield, Larmour seemed just as good.

Great game. He might actually have a chance of nosing into a training squad if he can stay injury free.

Somebody said he was naive positionally but I think he makes up or that with his pace

irishbucsfan

The Dragons back 3 were atrocious positionally. There was so much space to be exploited almost the whole game.

errlloyd

irishfan9 wrote: »

That was byrne

Ahhh. I had no commentary or ref mic on youtube

Clegg

Ryan picked up a shoulder knock.

Great player with loads of potential but it really does seem that he picks up a bad knock every game.

Squidgy Black

Clegg wrote: »

Ryan picked up a shoulder knock.

Great player with loads of potential but it really does seem that he picks up a bad knock every game.

He's a big guy, and very young. Young locks tend to pick up a lot of injuries, just look at Nagle/Kearney and even Moloney to an extent.

typhoony

interesting comment from Cullen on Ross Byrne saying how lucky they are to have him, it sounded like he has put a lot of faith in him and has been rewarded.

scott1974

With the AI's done, I think we did ok injury wise apart from Joey. Great to see Rob in such good form.
Don't think we'll see Johnny till the Exeter game, hopefully Henshaw is just a niggle.
Getting excited about the back to back games now.

errlloyd

typhoony wrote: »

interesting comment from Cullen on Ross Byrne saying how lucky they are to have him, it sounded like he has put a lot of faith in him and has been rewarded.

He's our third choice. He's not far off being Irelands third choice either. By the end of the year he might very well have overtaken the Munster out halves. Not only is he third choiced but he's actually experienced, he's played hard games at Leinster and at u20. I like him a lot. We're genuinely blessed to have him.

irishbucsfan

errlloyd wrote: »

He's our third choice. He's not far off being Irelands third choice either. By the end of the year he might very well have overtaken the Munster out halves. Not only is he third choiced but he's actually experienced, he's played hard games at Leinster and at u20. I like him a lot. We're genuinely blessed to have him.

Thing is, there's not much evidence that he's our 3rd choice. He could well be our 2nd choice.

errlloyd

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Thing is, there's not much evidence that he's our 3rd choice. He could well be our 2nd choice.

Yeah that's fair. It must be frustrating for him, he's pushed Carbs to fullback at every team they've been on together right? And Carbs has beaten the ABs, Australia and started internationals at ten.

Buer

Undoubtedly frustrating, I'm sure. But in terms of development, what Byrne is getting is more beneficial to development than what Carbery has had i.e. prolonged and consistent game time at 10. Carbery might be in the Irish set up and that will benefit his development somewhat but nothing is going to beat game time and Byrne is getting it in spades with 8 starts already this season alone.

I wonder if Schmidt sees Carbery slightly like Madigan in the way that he was a big fan of the flexibility that Madigan gave from the bench and selected him ahead of Jackson despite saying that Jackson would start if Sexton was out.

At this point, I'm leaning towards the notion that Leinster would select Byrne ahead of Carbery in a straight call at 10.

Clegg

errlloyd wrote: »

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Thing is, there's not much evidence that he's our 3rd choice. He could well be our 2nd choice.

Yeah that's fair. It must be frustrating for him, he's pushed Carbs to fullback at every team they've been on together right? And Carbs has beaten the ABs, Australia and started internationals at ten.

I think necessity pushed Carbery to 15 rather than Byrne. There was a bit of chopping and changing last season with various injuries to Sexton, Kearney and then Carbery. When it was just Sexton who was injured early last season Joey went straight to 10. Then when Kearney was injured he went to 15 with Sexton back at 10.

Byrne has undoubtedly benefited from continued exposure at 10. Carbery will eventually get that as well though.

prawnsambo

Buer wrote: »

I wonder if Schmidt sees Carbery slightly like Madigan in the way that he was a big fan of the flexibility that Madigan gave from the bench and selected him ahead of Jackson despite saying that Jackson would start if Sexton was out.

At this point, I'm leaning towards the notion that Leinster would select Byrne ahead of Carbery in a straight call at 10.

I don't think Schmidt sees Carbery as aything other than a ten. He's said as much. Lancaster has said that starting him at 15 is done to get the best players on the pitch. Since Ross Byrne can only play at 10, that means Carbery starts at 15.

It's needs must at the moment for Leinster.

pickarooney

prawnsambo wrote: »

I don't think Schmidt sees Carbery as aything other than a ten. He's said as much. Lancaster has said that starting him at 15 is done to get the best players on the pitch. Since Ross Byrne can only play at 10, that means Carbery starts at 15.

It's needs must at the moment for Leinster.

But when you get this pattern (I know it's way too early to call it that yet) of the player at 10 doing a fine job for months and the other guy being dropped in their and not impressing, how long do you keep that up? How do you keep Ross Byrne motivated if he's essentially being treated as a placeholder?

The Parish King

We have the makings of an excellent backline going forward. A lot of these guys are young, and you'd hope that they'll only push on in the future. The backline could look something like this in 3/4 years time;

9. Luke McGrath/Hugh O'Sullivan (if he lives up to the hype)
10. Ross Byrne
11. Lowe/Byrne
12. Henshaw
13. Ringrose
14. Larmour
15. Carbery

I appreciate that this is highly hypothetical (and not intended to stoke the Byrne vs Carbery debate...), but based on the potential these lads have shown to date, that looks like an exciting, international class backline.

Granny15

The Parish King wrote: »

We have the makings of an excellent backline going forward. A lot of these guys are young, and you'd hope that they'll only push on in the future. The backline could look something like this in 3/4 years time;

9. Luke McGrath/Hugh O'Sullivan (if he lives up to the hype)
10. Ross Byrne
11. Lowe/Byrne
12. Henshaw
13. Ringrose
14. Larmour
15. Carbery

I appreciate that this is highly hypothetical (and not intended to stoke the Byrne vs Carbery debate...), but based on the potential these lads have shown to date, that looks like an exciting, international class backline.

Not quite.... what we could be seeing in the future is something more like:

9. Hugh O Sullivan
10. Carberry
11. A Byrne
12. Henshaw
13. Ring rose
14. Lowe
15. Larmour

Clegg

Watching the Saracens/Exeter game.

Bit of an obvious statement but Exeter will be very, very difficult to beat.

determinations

Clegg wrote: »

Watching the Saracens/Exeter game.

Bit of an obvious statement but Exeter will be very, very difficult to beat.

They are so comfortable with the ball, happy to go through 20 30 phases. Our defense will be severely tested.