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‪Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread IX: The Last Jordi [****]

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    #182
    nagdefy
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    That was very very cold. Very very very cold.

    Hope IO was able to enjoy it, it being his first home game of the season!

    Larmour is electric. Lets see lots more of him please. Looks like Ross Byrne is going to be very hard to shift for JC when he comes back.

    Josh Murphy is yet another talent in the back row. So much depth throughout the squad now.

    Ross Byrne could be the slow burner outhalf who comes in under the radar for Ireland. Impressive tonight, albeit against shocking opposition.

    If he does it's going to be hard to accommodate Carberry, Larmour etc in the backline. Suppose with injuries etc all will rarely be available at the same time for Leinster.


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    #183
    nagdefy
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    I think Larmour is worth a punt on the bench for Ireland in the 6 Nations. Get a bit of game time into him.

    Let's face it would we like Rob Kearney, 2 years older, at the next World Cup or Conway/Larmour.


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    #184
    Stheno
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    nagdefy wrote: »

    Let's face it would we like Rob Kearney, 2 years older, at the next World Cup or Conway/Larmour.

    Ah jaysis, did you have to?????


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    #185
    nagdefy
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    Stheno wrote: »
    Ah jaysis, did you have to?????

    Yes:D

    Rob has been a great servant, and at his peak excellent. But he can't offer what that kid Larmour has.

    I fear Joe will stick with Kearney for the 6 Nations and it's one campaign too long for me. I hope i'm wrong.


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    #186
    prawnsambo
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    nagdefy wrote: »
    Yes:D

    Rob has been a great servant, and at his peak excellent. But he can't offer what that kid Larmour has.

    I fear Joe will stick with Kearney for the 6 Nations and it's one campaign too long for me. I hope i'm wrong.
    Ah, he's hardly played for Leinster yet. I know there's precedent with Carbery, but that was exceptional circumstance because of Jackson's situation.

    Six nations training squad a big maybe even.


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    #187
    Buer
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    nagdefy wrote: »
    Yes:D

    Rob has been a great servant, and at his peak excellent. But he can't offer what that kid Larmour has.

    I fear Joe will stick with Kearney for the 6 Nations and it's one campaign too long for me. I hope i'm wrong.

    Larmour looks like a great talent but seriously...it was a Dragons understrength side. Lets have some perspective. Lets see how he copes with semi-competent opposition before calling for him to be in the Irish set up.


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    #188
    Stheno
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Ah, he's hardly played for Leinster yet. I know there's precedent with Carbery, but that was exceptional circumstance because of Jackson's situation.

    Six nations training squad a big maybe even.

    Training with the squad I'd agree with tbh


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    #189
    irishbucsfan
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    I would gladly sacrifice the rest of Leinster’s season just to see Larmour stepping like that again. He should start every game. Up the La


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    #190
    irishfan9
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    Larmour with two threats on the wing :0


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    #191
    nagdefy
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Ah, he's hardly played for Leinster yet. I know there's precedent with Carbery, but that was exceptional circumstance because of Jackson's situation.

    Six nations training squad a big maybe even.

    Many of the best players played for their country before their province. You either have it or you don't. If Graham Henry saw Larmour he'd be having a word with head coaches as he did about Carberry.


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    #192
    irishfan9
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    nagdefy wrote: »
    Many of the best players played for their country before their province. You either have it or you don't. If Graham Henry saw Larmour he'd be having a word with head coaches as he did about Carberry.

    Give me a break with the henry stuff


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    #193
    nagdefy
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    Buer wrote: »
    Larmour looks like a great talent but seriously...it was a Dragons understrength side. Lets have some perspective. Lets see how he copes with semi-competent opposition before calling for him to be in the Irish set up.

    He's coped well with any test that has been put up to him underage etc. As i said previously if Graham Henry suggested fast tracking Carberry he surely would Larmour. He's very skilled and has a better physique for his age than Carberry.

    I'm not going on that game but a blind man can see the pace, the evasion skills, good hands. Why not?


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    #194
    nagdefy
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    Give me a break with the henry stuff

    Why give you a break?

    He's a world renowned and respected coach who won a World Cup? I always find there's a problem when a poster who isn't a regular comes onto the rugby fora there are a group of awfully condescending no it alls/

    When you reply with 'give us a break' it's as if 'oh i've too much knowledge to debate with you'.


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    #195
    Steve
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    That was effin baltic but a good match in the end. Was having palpitations after the dragons try but whatever bollicking Isa gave them under the posts - and you csould see he was spitting fire - certainly worked.

    RB had a great match.


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    #196
    nagdefy
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    Adam Byrne getting a game on the wing tomorrow. His attempted tackling on Nadolo was pitiful..

    And you tell me Larmour doesn't deserve an opportunity?

    We'll have the usual post mortems when we fail to reach a WC semi.


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    #197
    Buer
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    nagdefy wrote: »
    Many of the best players played for their country before their province. You either have it or you don't. If Graham Henry saw Larmour he'd be having a word with head coaches as he did about Carberry.

    Graham Henry is not the be all and end all of rugby. He got it right in 2011. He failed multiple times aside from that.


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    #198
    irishbucsfan
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    nagdefy wrote: »
    Why give you a break?

    He's a world renowned and respected coach who won a World Cup? I always find there's a problem when a poster who isn't a regular comes onto the rugby fora there are a group of awfully condescending no it alls/

    When you reply with 'give us a break' it's as if 'oh i've too much knowledge to debate with you'.
    I think it’s because Carberry was very highly rated before he ever got here. The Henry thing is a media soundbite, he was expected to get game time for Leinster before he arrived.


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    #199
    nagdefy
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    Buer wrote: »
    Graham Henry is not the be all and end all of rugby. He got it right in 2011. He failed multiple times aside from that.

    No but Schmidt took his advice. That says something.

    Ah ffs Michael Jordan 'the reason why i succeed is because i fail so often'.


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    #200
    Buer
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    nagdefy wrote: »
    Why give you a break?

    He's a world renowned and respected coach who won a World Cup? I always find there's a problem when a poster who isn't a regular comes onto the rugby fora there are a group of awfully condescending no it alls/

    When you reply with 'give us a break' it's as if 'oh i've too much knowledge to debate with you'.

    Graham Henry won a RWC at home (and somewhat fortunately if anyone remembers the final). He also blew a RWC with a fantastic side in 2007. He blew a Lions tour with a superb team (the England RWC winning pack with Wilkinson, BOD and Robinson outside). He left Wales after Ireland beat them by almost 50 points.

    I'd put stock in the word of many coaches just as highly.


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    #201
    nagdefy
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I think it’s because Carberry was very highly rated before he ever got here. The Henry thing is a media soundbite, he was expected to get game time for Leinster before he arrived.

    It's easy say that it's a media soundbite, who knows only the individuals involved.

    My basic argument is Larmour deserves a chance. If Adam Byrne is getting a game on the wing against Argentina.


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    #202
    prawnsambo
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    nagdefy wrote: »
    Why give you a break?

    He's a world renowned and respected coach who won a World Cup? I always find there's a problem when a poster who isn't a regular comes onto the rugby fora there are a group of awfully condescending no it alls/

    When you reply with 'give us a break' it's as if 'oh i've too much knowledge to debate with you'.
    You're arguing about something that hasn't even been said. That you say yourself isn't reality. WTF?


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    #203
    Buer
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    nagdefy wrote: »
    No but Schmidt took his advice. That says something.

    Ah ffs Michael Jordan 'the reason why i succeed is because i fail so often'.

    No, Schmidt had little choice when IK wasn't playing for Munster due to TB taking the jersey and Jackson wasn't allowed enter the United States. It was Carbery or Jack Carty at that point.

    Carbery will be doign well to keep ahead of Ross Byrne by next summer for Ireland.


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    #204
    Peregrine
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    nagdefy wrote: »
    No but Schmidt took his advice. That says something.

    I also said Carbery was good. So Joe took my advice.

    In fact, I said it before Henry ever saw Carbery so Henry took my advice too.


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    #205
    Dravokivich
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    Buer wrote: »
    Larmour looks like a great talent but seriously...it was a Dragons understrength side. Lets have some perspective. Lets see how he copes with semi-competent opposition before calling for him to be in the Irish set up.

    He was being targeted by very experienced half backs and he answered every challenge they flung at him. He came out of this match quite well on the foot of that. Their entire attack at the start of the match was focused on exposing him.


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    #206
    Neil3030
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    We need to get Henry in to tell the coaches that have already selected Larmour that he might be good? OK....


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    #207
    nagdefy
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    Buer wrote: »
    Graham Henry won a RWC at home (and somewhat fortunately if anyone remembers the final). He also blew a RWC with a fantastic side in 2007. He blew a Lions tour with a superb team (the England RWC winning pack with Wilkinson, BOD and Robinson outside). He left Wales after Ireland beat them by almost 50 points.

    I'd put stock in the word of many coaches just as highly.

    The 2011 WC final was a huge test for NZ after 24 years of failure. The tension, playing at home, expectation, Christchurch earthquake. With their 4th outhalf and Piri Weepu kicking the goals! John Hart failed in 1999, Laurie Maines in 1995 etc.

    Australia were a better side than that Lions team IMO.

    Aside from Henry, Larmour deserves a go in the squad.


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    #208
    Buer
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Their entire attack at the start of the match was focused on exposing him.

    A huge amount of their attack, including their try, was concentrated on attacking us around the breakdown and fringes.

    Nobody's "entire attack" is focused on exposing any single player or facet.


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    #209
    Clegg
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    nagdefy wrote: »
    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I think it’s because Carberry was very highly rated before he ever got here. The Henry thing is a media soundbite, he was expected to get game time for Leinster before he arrived.

    It's easy say that it's a media soundbite, who knows only the individuals involved.

    My basic argument is Larmour deserves a chance. If Adam Byrne is getting a game on the wing against Argentina.
    Adam Byrne has been impressive for the last 12 months. Larmour hasn't even played 12 months pro rugby.


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    #210
    Buer
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    nagdefy wrote: »
    The tension, playing at home, expectation, Christchurch earthquake. .

    Come off it. These are reasons why NZ might not have won the RWC? Playing at home?!


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    #211
    nagdefy
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    We need to get Henry in to tell the coaches that have already selected Larmour that he might be good? OK....

    Your a mod for this site and if that reply is your stock in trade i'm out. It's the know it all bulls*it sarcastic attitude that is rampant here.

    Why couldn't you craft your statement something like 'well actually i have it on good authority that Carberry was going to be selected anyway'.

    This old boys club isn't for me. It's no wonder that most of the province of Leinster outside your D4 cocoon supported Munster until recent years.


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