Refugee Family Reunification

Help!!!!

Odhinn wrote: »

This is a "war" between criminal gangs. I know the concept of such a thing is hard for our irish minds to conceive, but there we are.

Yes & the criminal gangs are not Swedes:rolleyes:

Odhinn

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yes & the criminal gangs are not Swedes:rolleyes:

Well, they are of serbian and bosnian ancestry, afaik. You think we should put a block on immigrants from muslim and orthodox countries?

Doltanian

I'm surprised that this thread hasn't been closed already considering people might dare voice an opinion opposed to mass-immigration, this website is clearly far left-wing and no matter how insane of a proposal they will support it once it follows the liberal left wing pro-immigration, pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ+ Agenda being forced upon everyone because otherwise you are a big stinking racist Trump supporter.

Really Interested

Doltanian wrote: »

I'm surprised that this thread hasn't been closed already considering people might dare voice an opinion opposed to mass-immigration, this website is clearly far left-wing and no matter how insane of a proposal they will support it once it follows the liberal left wing pro-immigration, pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ+ Agenda being forced upon everyone because otherwise you are a big stinking racist Trump supporter.

And the mask slips.

Sand

Dr Brown wrote: »

The NP should have a policy of taking in zero asylum seekers and "refugees" otherwise they won't get many votes.

This 'National Party' wont get any votes anyway. Its 'principles' are electoral cancer.

National Party Principles
The National Party approaches our membership of the European Union from the principle of refusing to accept the threatened destruction of our Nation’s freedom, and will endeavour to restore those freedoms which have already, unjustly, been given away.

The National Party insists that no law should permit the provision of Abortion in Ireland.

The National Party demands a complete reform of our criminal justice system, placing the protection of society from criminality as its imperative value, up to and including restoration of the Death Penalty for particularly heinous crimes.

Anything which threatens EU membership is electoral poison. Nationalist parties across the EU repeatedly make the mistake of going against EU membership - apart from fringe fanatics, and UK voters, most people in the EU see the EU as very positive. That's not to say the EU is universally popular but people like the benefits of membership. Prosperity, free movement, and countless 'ease of use' factors.

As for abortion - its a Richard Barrett vehicle, so no surprise, but the Irish zeitgeist has moved on. A party demanding no abortion in any circumstances is way behind the curve.

As for the restoration of the death penalty - Jesus Christ. Have these people watched Making a Murderer? Irish people under the age of 50 have.

What is going to change is the Overton window. It's telling that 50 years ago, Enoch Powell was essentially driven from polite society for prophesying the dangers of mass immigration. The vast majority of British voters agreed with him, but he was outside the window so was cast out. While Powell was demonised, he actually understated the rate of change. Nobody, on either side of the discussion (when it was allowed to occur) ever expected ethnic Britons to become a minority within their own capital in less than 50 years. No-one ever ran a campaign on making that change. No one ever won an election on that electoral promise.

Similar changes have occurred in France, Germany, Sweden and several other European countries which have entertained fantasies about 'guest' workers and 'temporary' refugees. Fast forward 50 years and suddenly there is a different people sharing that space, stubbornly separate to the French, Germans and Swedes. The reality is that 50 years ago, the majority of residents in those nations could trace their descent from people living in the same nations (if not states) a hundred years previously. Go forward 50-100 years, and the majority of residents in those nations will not be able to trace their family back further than 120-150 years. This change is not going to occur without political, social and cultural change: The equivalent of Coronation Street a hundred years from now will not be centred on a place where alcohol is served. What will Bonfire Night, 1 world cup and 2 world wars, the blitz spirit or Waterloo mean to 'English' whose family shared none of those experiences in any sense? And what will replace that shared identity? Are people sure it will be better? I'm not.

People are slowly beginning to notice these changes - its not possible to cast out the likes of Powell today. What might have seemed alarmist and reactionary then is simply recognising the reality of demographic trends now (as early as the 90s, both Thatcher and Heath-who sacked Powell - accepted he saw further than they had). The Overton window is shifting.

Petty, throwback groups like the National Party are dead on arrival. But we will see established political parties shifting away from the left liberal 'open borders' extremism which has dominated policy for the past 50 years. The recent elections in Austria have demonstrated this, and even in Germany the likes of the CSU are shifting towards a more realistic appraisal of the benefits of mass migrations.

Ireland is decades behind that curve. The Poles are too. But the Polish are very clear that they don't want a domestic Islamic terrorist problem, and the best way to avoid that is to avoid a large domestic Islamic population. Irish people - if ever asked - would completely agree. No one ever looks at the UK or French urban areas which are increasingly non-UK and non-French and think this is something we want. And no matter how 'right on' they are, no party runs a campaign promising to hugely change the shared identity of a state in just a few decades.

Mutant z

Odhinn wrote: »

Sink?



Syrians are fellow human beings. We take some in so they aren't killed and to minimise their suffering.



Yep, the last thing western europe needs is to import some strange cult of football related violence.

You're seriously deluded if you think every refugee is a Syrian, and anyway Syria has largely stabilished why arnt they back there helping to rebuild their own country.

Odhinn

Mutant z wrote: »

You're seriously deluded if you think every refugee is a Syrian,

Well that was the thrust of the thread, but others are taken in under the same criteria

Mutant z wrote: »

...........and anyway Syria has largely stabilished why arnt they back there helping to rebuild their own country.

It isn't a safe place.

PeterParker957

Odhinn wrote: »

Well that was the thrust of the thread, but others are taken in under the same criteria



It isn't a safe place.

So ?

Odhinn

PeterParker957 wrote: »

So ?

We signed the part of the geneva convention relating to asylum seekers and so on. Also as humans one might expect us to act out of shared humanity. Mad stuff, I know.

PeterParker957

Odhinn wrote: »

We signed the part of the geneva convention relating to asylum seekers and so on. Also as humans one might expect us to act out of shared humanity. Mad stuff, I know.

No argument there but AFTER all our own are looked after.

Not before.

And no one should get in without being vetted to f**k. And watched.

Odhinn

PeterParker957 wrote: »

No argument there but AFTER all our own are looked after.

Not before..

by which lights we can safely say nobody would ever be let in, as ineffeciency means theres always somebody who will slip through the cracks.

Dr Brown

Odhinn wrote: »

We signed the part of the geneva convention relating to asylum seekers and so on. Also as humans one might expect us to act out of shared humanity. Mad stuff, I know.

Japan has also signed up to the geneva convention but they take in very few refugees.

Don't tell me you think Japan is "racist" ?

Odhinn

Dr Brown wrote: »

Japan has also signed up to the geneva convention but they take in very few refugees.

Don't tell me you think Japan is "racist" ?

They're notoriously racist, as it happens.

Dr Brown

Odhinn wrote: »

They're notoriously racist, as it happens.

But we are told by leftists that only white people can be "racist".

Is there now a new definition of the word ?

Really Interested

Dr Brown wrote: »

Japan has also signed up to the geneva convention but they take in very few refugees.

Don't tell me you think Japan is "racist" ?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-asylum/japan-took-in-just-28-refugees-in-2016-despite-record-applications-idUSKBN15O0UV

"Immigration is a controversial subject in Japan, where many pride themselves on cultural and ethnic homogeneity, even as the population ages and its workforce shrinks."

The bit in bold is the very definition of racism. I have a friend who is Japanese, he will tell you that the Japanese are not very tolerant of any foreigners.

pumpkin4life

Sand wrote: »

This 'National Party' wont get any votes anyway. Its 'principles' are electoral cancer.



Anything which threatens EU membership is electoral poison. Nationalist parties across the EU repeatedly make the mistake of going against EU membership - apart from fringe fanatics, and UK voters, most people in the EU see the EU as very positive. That's not to say the EU is universally popular but people like the benefits of membership. Prosperity, free movement, and countless 'ease of use' factors.

As for abortion - its a Richard Barrett vehicle, so no surprise, but the Irish zeitgeist has moved on. A party demanding no abortion in any circumstances is way behind the curve.

As for the restoration of the death penalty - Jesus Christ. Have these people watched Making a Murderer? Irish people under the age of 50 have.

What is going to change is the Overton window. It's telling that 50 years ago, Enoch Powell was essentially driven from polite society for prophesying the dangers of mass immigration. The vast majority of British voters agreed with him, but he was outside the window so was cast out. While Powell was demonised, he actually understated the rate of change. Nobody, on either side of the discussion (when it was allowed to occur) ever expected ethnic Britons to become a minority within their own capital in less than 50 years. No-one ever ran a campaign on making that change. No one ever won an election on that electoral promise.

Similar changes have occurred in France, Germany, Sweden and several other European countries which have entertained fantasies about 'guest' workers and 'temporary' refugees. Fast forward 50 years and suddenly there is a different people sharing that space, stubbornly separate to the French, Germans and Swedes. The reality is that 50 years ago, the majority of residents in those nations could trace their descent from people living in the same nations (if not states) a hundred years previously. Go forward 50-100 years, and the majority of residents in those nations will not be able to trace their family back further than 120-150 years. This change is not going to occur without political, social and cultural change: The equivalent of Coronation Street a hundred years from now will not be centred on a place where alcohol is served. What will Bonfire Night, 1 world cup and 2 world wars, the blitz spirit or Waterloo mean to 'English' whose family shared none of those experiences in any sense? And what will replace that shared identity? Are people sure it will be better? I'm not.

People are slowly beginning to notice these changes - its not possible to cast out the likes of Powell today. What might have seemed alarmist and reactionary then is simply recognising the reality of demographic trends now (as early as the 90s, both Thatcher and Heath-who sacked Powell - accepted he saw further than they had). The Overton window is shifting.

Petty, throwback groups like the National Party are dead on arrival. But we will see established political parties shifting away from the left liberal 'open borders' extremism which has dominated policy for the past 50 years. The recent elections in Austria have demonstrated this, and even in Germany the likes of the CSU are shifting towards a more realistic appraisal of the benefits of mass migrations.

Ireland is decades behind that curve. The Poles are too. But the Polish are very clear that they don't want a domestic Islamic terrorist problem, and the best way to avoid that is to avoid a large domestic Islamic population. Irish people - if ever asked - would completely agree. No one ever looks at the UK or French urban areas which are increasingly non-UK and non-French and think this is something we want. And no matter how 'right on' they are, no party runs a campaign promising to hugely change the shared identity of a state in just a few decades.

Fantastic post, but I disagree with you on this point here.

A good thing to always look out for is watching what people do, rather than what people say.

The Poles respond to third world immigrants by going to Nationalist parades in their capitals with hundreds and thousands of people. The Poles will be completely fine. They have the spirit, or the drive, or whatever you want to call it. Us? If there was a demand to reduce immigration, the main parties, or at least one, would be running on it. We don't, because there's this weird spiritual malaise/depression in Ireland right now, especially when your so called Nationalist Party is open borders pro socialism. It's not the immigrant's fault. It begins with us. That's the problem.

The good news is that I think we've been infected with it less than say, France or Britain. The bad news is, we're naturally passive, go along to get along people. And if you have this slow burning/frog pot effect, that's just going to make things even worse.

I'm not sure if this will end well at all.

Odhinn

Dr Brown wrote: »

But we are told only white people can be "racist".

Is there now a new definition of the word ?

Sorry, but I've no idea where that nonsense comes from, so who "we" are supposed to be, or what "we" are supposed to be told are unknown to me. I do know that the net has corners that spread ignorance more than knowledge, however.

Dr Brown

Really Interested wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-asylum/japan-took-in-just-28-refugees-in-2016-despite-record-applications-idUSKBN15O0UV

"Immigration is a controversial subject in Japan, where many pride themselves on cultural and ethnic homogeneity, even as the population ages and its workforce shrinks."

The bit in bold is the very definition of racism. I have a friend who is Japanese, he will tell you that the Japanese are not very tolerant of any foreigners.

I don't see how it is "racist" for the Japanese to want to protect their culture ?

Racism is when you hate another race.

Odhinn

Dr Brown wrote: »

I don't see how it is "racist" for the Japanese to want to protect their culture ?

Racism is when you hate another race.

I'd imagine you see full well.

We could go around in circles while you trot out this intellectually dishonest nonsense for a while, but why bother?

Really Interested

Dr Brown wrote: »

I don't see how it is "racist" for the Japanese to want to protect their culture ?

Racism is when you hate another race.

Have you ever visited Japan?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/31/japan-racism-survey-reveals-one-in-three-foreigners-experience-discrimination

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/racism-and-the-reality-in-japan/article18195730.ece

"In central Tokyo’s bustling neighbourhoods, it’s common to find signs outside establishments, from barber shops to taverns, stating: “Foreigners Welcome”. That these are necessary only highlights how there are places in Japan — guest houses, massage parlours, restaurants — where foreigners are unwelcome."

I know Japanese people and many at the very least say Japan is xenophobic, many will admit Japan is a very racists country.

History is littered with examples of how Japan has hated every other nation.

Doltanian

I've spent alot of time around South East Asia and the Japanese committed the worst atrocities of World War Two, their sheer levels of sadism surpassed the Nazi's. I visited one particular Monastery this year where the Japanese systemically brutalised and raped the Nuns before killing them all and making it a garrison building for the Kenpeitai.

Really Interested

Really Interested wrote: »

I know Japanese people and many at the very least say Japan is xenophobic, many will admit Japan is a very racists country.

History is littered with examples of how Japan has hated every other nation.

Yup. I've lived in Tokyo. The problem is that you're evaluating them as being racist based on western principles. They're not exactly racist. They just don't like foreigners and are generally uncomfortable with black people. You'll find similar attitudes across all of Asia.

And if you do go to Japan, you'll be hardpressed to find any "pure" Japanese anymore. They all have some kind of mixing with another Asian grouping, Filipino, and Chinese being most common.

But mostly they're against Foreign culture because they've seen the effects of American navy personnel in Japan, the westernization of S.Korea, etc. The behavior of most Japanese towards foreigners is very polite, and friendly. The signs on businesses are purely cultural and you'll find similar behavior throughout Asia.

Being xenophobic is very Asian... but it rarely translates into practical racism. Western culture doesn't quite get it because most western culture promotes cultural diversity. Asian culture is a polar opposite of that.

And honestly, you'll find worse behavior in the M.East and North Africa.

Doltanian

Doltanian wrote: »

I've spent alot of time around South East Asia and the Japanese committed the worst atrocities of World War Two, their sheer levels of sadism surpassed the Nazi's. I visited one particular Mon this year where the Japanese systemically brutalised and raped the Nuns before killing them all and making it a garrison building for the Kenpeitai.

Yup. I lived in China for 7 years and was exposed to all the media and cultural attention about the Japanese brutality.

However, compare Irish people in the 1940s and Irish people today. A difference in perceptions, morals, etc? Time has moved on. Don't blame new generations for the behavior of those two-three generations back. I'm not responsible for whatever my grandfather or great-grandfather did, so why should the Japanese people of today be held responsible for 70 years ago?

the_syco

Doltanian wrote: »

I've spent alot of time around South East Asia and the Japanese committed the worst atrocities of World War Two, their sheer levels of sadism surpassed the Nazi's. I visited one particular Mon this year where the Japanese systemically brutalised and raped the Nuns before killing them all and making it a garrison building for the Kenpeitai.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/george-h-bush-narrowly-escaped-executed-eaten-japanese-wwii.html
Seems a few pilots were killed, and then their bodies eaten by the Japanese officers, although it was suspected that some people were kept alive, and just had their limbs chopped off to ensure the meat was fresh.

Help!!!!

Dr Brown wrote: »

I don't see how it is "racist" for the Japanese to want to protect their culture ?

Racism is when you hate another race.

Its only racism when a liberal says so:rolleyes:

topper75

Odhinn wrote: »

I'd imagine you see full well.

We could go around in circles while you trot out this intellectually dishonest nonsense for a while, but why bother?

It is different to what you believe.

But that does not make it dishonest, be that 'intellectually' or otherwise.

I know that my race is not superior to others. But it is a non-sequitor to conclude from such a premise that there is an obligation to share my nation and its wealth to anybody who should arrive on our shores and plead for a share in something to which they have no entitlement.

Help!!!!

Swedish police to place hidden microphones in crime ridden parts of Stockholm

"The hidden microphones will be able to pick up sound from shootings, explosions and the crushing of glass. They are also able to detect screaming"

Might be able to cut down on the number of women attacked there

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-11/16/c_136757662.htm

Help!!!!

Odhinn wrote: »

I'd imagine you see full well.

We could go around in circles while you trot out this intellectually dishonest nonsense for a while, but why bother?

Do you think its wrong to keep Ireland as the home of Irish people?

Odhinn

Help!!!! wrote: »

Do you think its wrong to keep Ireland as the home of Irish people?

I wasn't aware that anyone proposed changing that, or that it had been mooted in any way shape or form. Other than as a rather obvious bit of loaded rhetoric, of course.

topper75

Help!!!! wrote: »

No because the Polish hate anything to do with Nazism as they had to fight against then during WW2

Keeping a sudden mass influx OUT of your country is the diametric opposite of Nazi methodology I would have thought.

It matters not to me whether they goose-step in a square or trail along the roads like a snake in rags; it is the duty of those who operate the border of a nation to resist and never to facilitate.