Refugee Family Reunification

Odhinn

PeterParker957 wrote: »

No argument there but AFTER all our own are looked after.

Not before..

by which lights we can safely say nobody would ever be let in, as ineffeciency means theres always somebody who will slip through the cracks.

Dr Brown

Odhinn wrote: »

We signed the part of the geneva convention relating to asylum seekers and so on. Also as humans one might expect us to act out of shared humanity. Mad stuff, I know.

Japan has also signed up to the geneva convention but they take in very few refugees.

Don't tell me you think Japan is "racist" ?

Odhinn

Dr Brown wrote: »

Japan has also signed up to the geneva convention but they take in very few refugees.

Don't tell me you think Japan is "racist" ?

They're notoriously racist, as it happens.

Dr Brown

Odhinn wrote: »

They're notoriously racist, as it happens.

But we are told by leftists that only white people can be "racist".

Is there now a new definition of the word ?

Really Interested

Dr Brown wrote: »

Japan has also signed up to the geneva convention but they take in very few refugees.

Don't tell me you think Japan is "racist" ?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-asylum/japan-took-in-just-28-refugees-in-2016-despite-record-applications-idUSKBN15O0UV

"Immigration is a controversial subject in Japan, where many pride themselves on cultural and ethnic homogeneity, even as the population ages and its workforce shrinks."

The bit in bold is the very definition of racism. I have a friend who is Japanese, he will tell you that the Japanese are not very tolerant of any foreigners.

pumpkin4life

Sand wrote: »

This 'National Party' wont get any votes anyway. Its 'principles' are electoral cancer.



Anything which threatens EU membership is electoral poison. Nationalist parties across the EU repeatedly make the mistake of going against EU membership - apart from fringe fanatics, and UK voters, most people in the EU see the EU as very positive. That's not to say the EU is universally popular but people like the benefits of membership. Prosperity, free movement, and countless 'ease of use' factors.

As for abortion - its a Richard Barrett vehicle, so no surprise, but the Irish zeitgeist has moved on. A party demanding no abortion in any circumstances is way behind the curve.

As for the restoration of the death penalty - Jesus Christ. Have these people watched Making a Murderer? Irish people under the age of 50 have.

What is going to change is the Overton window. It's telling that 50 years ago, Enoch Powell was essentially driven from polite society for prophesying the dangers of mass immigration. The vast majority of British voters agreed with him, but he was outside the window so was cast out. While Powell was demonised, he actually understated the rate of change. Nobody, on either side of the discussion (when it was allowed to occur) ever expected ethnic Britons to become a minority within their own capital in less than 50 years. No-one ever ran a campaign on making that change. No one ever won an election on that electoral promise.

Similar changes have occurred in France, Germany, Sweden and several other European countries which have entertained fantasies about 'guest' workers and 'temporary' refugees. Fast forward 50 years and suddenly there is a different people sharing that space, stubbornly separate to the French, Germans and Swedes. The reality is that 50 years ago, the majority of residents in those nations could trace their descent from people living in the same nations (if not states) a hundred years previously. Go forward 50-100 years, and the majority of residents in those nations will not be able to trace their family back further than 120-150 years. This change is not going to occur without political, social and cultural change: The equivalent of Coronation Street a hundred years from now will not be centred on a place where alcohol is served. What will Bonfire Night, 1 world cup and 2 world wars, the blitz spirit or Waterloo mean to 'English' whose family shared none of those experiences in any sense? And what will replace that shared identity? Are people sure it will be better? I'm not.

People are slowly beginning to notice these changes - its not possible to cast out the likes of Powell today. What might have seemed alarmist and reactionary then is simply recognising the reality of demographic trends now (as early as the 90s, both Thatcher and Heath-who sacked Powell - accepted he saw further than they had). The Overton window is shifting.

Petty, throwback groups like the National Party are dead on arrival. But we will see established political parties shifting away from the left liberal 'open borders' extremism which has dominated policy for the past 50 years. The recent elections in Austria have demonstrated this, and even in Germany the likes of the CSU are shifting towards a more realistic appraisal of the benefits of mass migrations.

Ireland is decades behind that curve. The Poles are too. But the Polish are very clear that they don't want a domestic Islamic terrorist problem, and the best way to avoid that is to avoid a large domestic Islamic population. Irish people - if ever asked - would completely agree. No one ever looks at the UK or French urban areas which are increasingly non-UK and non-French and think this is something we want. And no matter how 'right on' they are, no party runs a campaign promising to hugely change the shared identity of a state in just a few decades.

Fantastic post, but I disagree with you on this point here.

A good thing to always look out for is watching what people do, rather than what people say.

The Poles respond to third world immigrants by going to Nationalist parades in their capitals with hundreds and thousands of people. The Poles will be completely fine. They have the spirit, or the drive, or whatever you want to call it. Us? If there was a demand to reduce immigration, the main parties, or at least one, would be running on it. We don't, because there's this weird spiritual malaise/depression in Ireland right now, especially when your so called Nationalist Party is open borders pro socialism. It's not the immigrant's fault. It begins with us. That's the problem.

The good news is that I think we've been infected with it less than say, France or Britain. The bad news is, we're naturally passive, go along to get along people. And if you have this slow burning/frog pot effect, that's just going to make things even worse.

I'm not sure if this will end well at all.

Odhinn

Dr Brown wrote: »

But we are told only white people can be "racist".

Is there now a new definition of the word ?

Sorry, but I've no idea where that nonsense comes from, so who "we" are supposed to be, or what "we" are supposed to be told are unknown to me. I do know that the net has corners that spread ignorance more than knowledge, however.

Dr Brown

Really Interested wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-asylum/japan-took-in-just-28-refugees-in-2016-despite-record-applications-idUSKBN15O0UV

"Immigration is a controversial subject in Japan, where many pride themselves on cultural and ethnic homogeneity, even as the population ages and its workforce shrinks."

The bit in bold is the very definition of racism. I have a friend who is Japanese, he will tell you that the Japanese are not very tolerant of any foreigners.

I don't see how it is "racist" for the Japanese to want to protect their culture ?

Racism is when you hate another race.

Odhinn

Dr Brown wrote: »

I don't see how it is "racist" for the Japanese to want to protect their culture ?

Racism is when you hate another race.

I'd imagine you see full well.

We could go around in circles while you trot out this intellectually dishonest nonsense for a while, but why bother?

Really Interested

Dr Brown wrote: »

I don't see how it is "racist" for the Japanese to want to protect their culture ?

Racism is when you hate another race.

Have you ever visited Japan?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/31/japan-racism-survey-reveals-one-in-three-foreigners-experience-discrimination

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/racism-and-the-reality-in-japan/article18195730.ece

"In central Tokyo’s bustling neighbourhoods, it’s common to find signs outside establishments, from barber shops to taverns, stating: “Foreigners Welcome”. That these are necessary only highlights how there are places in Japan — guest houses, massage parlours, restaurants — where foreigners are unwelcome."

I know Japanese people and many at the very least say Japan is xenophobic, many will admit Japan is a very racists country.

History is littered with examples of how Japan has hated every other nation.

Doltanian

I've spent alot of time around South East Asia and the Japanese committed the worst atrocities of World War Two, their sheer levels of sadism surpassed the Nazi's. I visited one particular Monastery this year where the Japanese systemically brutalised and raped the Nuns before killing them all and making it a garrison building for the Kenpeitai.

Really Interested

Really Interested wrote: »

I know Japanese people and many at the very least say Japan is xenophobic, many will admit Japan is a very racists country.

History is littered with examples of how Japan has hated every other nation.

Yup. I've lived in Tokyo. The problem is that you're evaluating them as being racist based on western principles. They're not exactly racist. They just don't like foreigners and are generally uncomfortable with black people. You'll find similar attitudes across all of Asia.

And if you do go to Japan, you'll be hardpressed to find any "pure" Japanese anymore. They all have some kind of mixing with another Asian grouping, Filipino, and Chinese being most common.

But mostly they're against Foreign culture because they've seen the effects of American navy personnel in Japan, the westernization of S.Korea, etc. The behavior of most Japanese towards foreigners is very polite, and friendly. The signs on businesses are purely cultural and you'll find similar behavior throughout Asia.

Being xenophobic is very Asian... but it rarely translates into practical racism. Western culture doesn't quite get it because most western culture promotes cultural diversity. Asian culture is a polar opposite of that.

And honestly, you'll find worse behavior in the M.East and North Africa.

Doltanian

Doltanian wrote: »

I've spent alot of time around South East Asia and the Japanese committed the worst atrocities of World War Two, their sheer levels of sadism surpassed the Nazi's. I visited one particular Mon this year where the Japanese systemically brutalised and raped the Nuns before killing them all and making it a garrison building for the Kenpeitai.

Yup. I lived in China for 7 years and was exposed to all the media and cultural attention about the Japanese brutality.

However, compare Irish people in the 1940s and Irish people today. A difference in perceptions, morals, etc? Time has moved on. Don't blame new generations for the behavior of those two-three generations back. I'm not responsible for whatever my grandfather or great-grandfather did, so why should the Japanese people of today be held responsible for 70 years ago?

the_syco

Doltanian wrote: »

I've spent alot of time around South East Asia and the Japanese committed the worst atrocities of World War Two, their sheer levels of sadism surpassed the Nazi's. I visited one particular Mon this year where the Japanese systemically brutalised and raped the Nuns before killing them all and making it a garrison building for the Kenpeitai.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/george-h-bush-narrowly-escaped-executed-eaten-japanese-wwii.html
Seems a few pilots were killed, and then their bodies eaten by the Japanese officers, although it was suspected that some people were kept alive, and just had their limbs chopped off to ensure the meat was fresh.

Help!!!!

Dr Brown wrote: »

I don't see how it is "racist" for the Japanese to want to protect their culture ?

Racism is when you hate another race.

Its only racism when a liberal says so:rolleyes:

topper75

Odhinn wrote: »

I'd imagine you see full well.

We could go around in circles while you trot out this intellectually dishonest nonsense for a while, but why bother?

It is different to what you believe.

But that does not make it dishonest, be that 'intellectually' or otherwise.

I know that my race is not superior to others. But it is a non-sequitor to conclude from such a premise that there is an obligation to share my nation and its wealth to anybody who should arrive on our shores and plead for a share in something to which they have no entitlement.

Help!!!!

Swedish police to place hidden microphones in crime ridden parts of Stockholm

"The hidden microphones will be able to pick up sound from shootings, explosions and the crushing of glass. They are also able to detect screaming"

Might be able to cut down on the number of women attacked there

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-11/16/c_136757662.htm

Help!!!!

Odhinn wrote: »

I'd imagine you see full well.

We could go around in circles while you trot out this intellectually dishonest nonsense for a while, but why bother?

Do you think its wrong to keep Ireland as the home of Irish people?

Odhinn

Help!!!! wrote: »

Do you think its wrong to keep Ireland as the home of Irish people?

I wasn't aware that anyone proposed changing that, or that it had been mooted in any way shape or form. Other than as a rather obvious bit of loaded rhetoric, of course.

topper75

Help!!!! wrote: »

No because the Polish hate anything to do with Nazism as they had to fight against then during WW2

Keeping a sudden mass influx OUT of your country is the diametric opposite of Nazi methodology I would have thought.

It matters not to me whether they goose-step in a square or trail along the roads like a snake in rags; it is the duty of those who operate the border of a nation to resist and never to facilitate.

Odhinn

topper75 wrote: »

Keeping a sudden mass influx OUT of your country is the diametric opposite of Nazi methodology I would have thought.

It matters not to me whether they goose-step in a square or trail along the roads like a snake in rags; it is the duty of those who operate the border of a nation to resist and never to facilitate.

Jaysus forbid that somebody help the unfortunate.

You realise that if every nation had followed that line of thinking, there'd barely be a jew alive today.

Help!!!!

Odhinn wrote: »

I wasn't aware that anyone proposed changing that, or that it had been mooted in any way shape or form. Other than as a rather obvious bit of loaded rhetoric, of course.

I'm sure the English thought the same thing:rolleyes:

Odhinn

Help!!!! wrote: »

I'm sure the English thought the same thing:rolleyes:

Care to clarify?

Help!!!!

topper75 wrote: »

Keeping a sudden mass influx OUT of your country is the diametric opposite of Nazi methodology I would have thought.

It matters not to me whether they goose-step in a square or trail along the roads like a snake in rags; it is the duty of those who operate the border of a nation to resist and never to facilitate.

How many terrorist attacks have Poland had in the last couple of years?
The Polish dont want to put their people at risk, whats wrong with that? British are told its just a way of life now, so get on with their day
I'd say majority of people outside of Dublin feel the same way. Government needs to look after who's here first or else we will end up being a 3rd world country

Help!!!!

Odhinn wrote: »

Care to clarify?

Well most " white English " have moved out of London. There are many other towns/cities where " white English " have had to leave because of influx on migrants

Help!!!!

Odhinn wrote: »

Jaysus forbid that somebody help the unfortunate.

You realise that if every nation had followed that line of thinking, there'd barely be a jew alive today.

But the majority are not Syrian or from war torn countries, they are economic migrants

Odhinn

Help!!!! wrote: »

How many terrorist attacks have Poland had in the last couple of years?
The Polish dont want to put their people at risk, whats wrong with that? British are told its just a way of life now, so get on with their day
I'd say majority of people outside of Dublin feel the same way. Government needs to look after who's here first or else we will end up being a 3rd world country

It must be terrible to face the daily struggles of life and have these unfounded terrors to worry about on top of them.

Dr Brown

Odhinn wrote: »

Jaysus forbid that somebody help the unfortunate.

You realise that if every nation had followed that line of thinking, there'd barely be a jew alive today.

It's always a sure sign someone is losing the Immigration debate when they bring up the holocaust.

Odhinn

Help!!!! wrote: »

But the majority are not Syrian or from war torn countries, they are economic migrants

Well that's a great generalised statement, but would you care to be specific about what countries of origin you're talking about and what country they are seeking to enter?

Help!!!! wrote: »

" white English "

So it's a race thing with you?

Odhinn

Dr Brown wrote: »

It's always a sure sign someone is losing the Immigration debate when they bring up the holocaust.

Not at all. It just shows where such an attitude as was quoted leads.

Help!!!!

Odhinn wrote: »

It must be terrible to face the daily struggles of life and have these unfounded terrors to worry about on top of them.

It must be terrible to live in a bubble & believe what MSM tell you;)

Dr Brown

If we don't wake up and smell the coffee us Irish could be a minority in Ireland within a few decades.

Is this really what the men of 1916 fought for ? to become a minority in their own country.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-could-be-minority-ethnic-group-here-by-2050-professor-1.424517

Ireland's native population could be in a minority by the middle of this century, the president of Dublin City University (DCU) will claim today. But large-scale immigration is still essential if we are to remain prosperous, Prof Ferdinand von Prondzynski will say.

Help!!!!

Odhinn wrote: »

Well that's a great generalised statement, but would you care to be specific about what countries of origin you're talking about and what country they are seeking to enter?



So it's a race thing with you?

Sub Saharan/Ghanaian/Nigerian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi to name a few


Nope not a race thing I gave you an example. People think brexit was voted only by white voters but loads of Caribean/Asian people who lived in the UK for decades voted to leave as well because they saw their country being swamped by migrants

Odhinn

Dr Brown wrote: »

If we don't wake up and smell the coffee us Irish could be a minority in Ireland within a few decades.

Is this really what the men of 1916 fought for ? to become a minority in their own country.

So nobody born here of immigrant parents can be irish? Immigrants can't assimilate at all?

Dr Brown

Odhinn wrote: »

Not at all. It just shows where such an attitude as was quoted leads.

So by you logic the Japanese are "Nazis" for wanting to keep out economic migrants ?

Help!!!!

Odhinn wrote: »

So nobody born here of immigrant parents can be irish? Immigrants can't assimilate at all?

Well the ones that are coming haven't done so well in Sweden/France/Germany/UK/Belgium so do you think we will be lucky here in Ireland?

Dr Brown

Odhinn wrote: »

So nobody born here of immigrant parents can be irish? Immigrants can't assimilate at all?

Just like they do in France or the UK ?

No problem over there with migrant riots or terrorism ?

RustyNut

Help!!!! wrote: »

Well most " white English " have moved out of London. There are many other towns/cities where " white English " have had to leave because of influx on migrants

Why do you focus on "white" English.

Dr Brown

RustyNut wrote: »

Why do you focus on "white" English.

What other type of English is there ?

You would never say yellow chinese or black african.

Help!!!!

RustyNut wrote: »

Why do you focus on "white" English.

Well up until 20 years ago the vast majority of people in London were " white " that has changed. Many have moved out of the city. The same in places like Bradford, Luton & many more towns/cities.
With the number of migrants the EU want us to take & the 1million+a year George Soros wants the EU to bring in it wont take long for out Politicians to open the floodgates

Really Interested

Help!!!! wrote: »

How many terrorist attacks have Poland had in the last couple of years?
The Polish dont want to put their people at risk, whats wrong with that? British are told its just a way of life now, so get on with their day
I'd say majority of people outside of Dublin feel the same way. Government needs to look after who's here first or else we will end up being a 3rd world country

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/poland-no-muslims-no-terror-map-100-fake-news/07/06/amp/

It’s easy to see you fall for any old meme on Social Media.

WinnyThePoo

Really Interested wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/poland-no-muslims-no-terror-map-100-fake-news/07/06/amp/

It’s easy to see you fall for any old meme on Social Media.

It's all george soros fault;)

RustyNut

Help!!!! wrote: »

Well up until 20 years ago the vast majority of people in London were " white " that has changed. Many have moved out of the city. The same in places like Bradford, Luton & many more towns/cities.
With the number of migrants the EU want us to take & the 1million+a year George Soros wants the EU to bring in it wont take long for out Politicians to open the floodgates

I lived in London in the 80's and worked with lots of non white people whose parents and grandparents were born in the UK. Are they or their kids less English because they are not white or are you just after a racially pure "white" society. It certainly sounds like it.

Help!!!!

Really Interested wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/poland-no-muslims-no-terror-map-100-fake-news/07/06/amp/

It’s easy to see you fall for any old meme on Social Media.

I didn't fall for anything. They haven't had a terrorist attack by a migrant
There would be no far right if Governments looked after their own people first but the virtue signallers bring migrants in & dump them in towns with virtually no employment. In Germany there was a town on 400 people, 1000 migrants were sent there so the locals are the minority over night
Sweden & Finland had no part in the wars in ME & they still have Islamic terrorist attacks
How many attacks have been foiled by police? Last year there was more than 14 in the UK many more this year.

wakka12

511 wrote: »

While living in camps in Italy, Greece, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey? They're perfectly safe there, no need to bring them all the way to Ireland. It's also 10 times cheaper to look after them over there than bringing them here.

The camps are not safe.Many children are abducted by trafficers from them. And living in tents long term with such high population density will always be at least unacceptable unhygienic

Help!!!!

RustyNut wrote: »

I lived in London in the 80's and worked with lots of non white people whose parents and grandparents were born in the UK. Are they or their kids less English because they are not white or are you just after a racially pure "white" society. It certainly sounds like it.

I used " white" as an example & a lot of those non whites have moved out of London too. It does not make them less English is they Identify as English but theres a lot of people in the UK who identify as Muslim rather than English

Help!!!!

wakka12 wrote: »

The camps are not safe.Many children are abducted by trafficers from them. And living in tents long term with such high population density will always be at least unacceptable unhygienic

Even direct provision in Ireland the people are complaining about the men in there but people here are willing to let those men out into Ireland to live:rolleyes:

Really Interested

Help!!!! wrote: »

I didn't fall for anything. They haven't had a terrorist attack by a migrant
There would be no far right if Governments looked after their own people first but the virtue signallers bring migrants in & dump them in towns with virtually no employment. In Germany there was a town on 400 people, 1000 migrants were sent there so the locals are the minority over night
Sweden & Finland had no part in the wars in ME & they still have Islamic terrorist attacks
How many attacks have been foiled by police? Last year there was more than 14 in the UK many more this year.

Remind me who committed all the terror attacks in Ireland?

PeterParker957

Help!!!! wrote: »

Even direct provision in Ireland the people are complaining about the men in there but people here are willing to let those men out into Ireland to live:rolleyes:

+1,000

Exactly this!

Help!!!!

Really Interested wrote: »

Remind me who committed all the terror attacks in Ireland?

Remind me who those all the terror attacks in the Middle East:rolleyes:
We have hopefully seen the end of our homegrown terrorists no need to import more