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Refugee Family Reunification

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭ hawkelady


    Ibraham's sisters will be happy !!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,152 ✭✭✭ Odhinn


    ....o god jesus no....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭✭ Fake News


    1 bogus refugee is bad enough


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 PeterParker957


    Can there be a third option "not a fcking chance, over my dead body" please ???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 PeterParker957


    hawkelady wrote: »
    Ibraham's sisters will be happy looking for something else to whine about !!!

    FYP there!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭ Will I Am Not


    It’s such a spectacularly stupid idea that you would have to worry about the motive behind it. When you look at the potential size of the extended family from the countries that they come from, it's beyond just a bad idea.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭ wakka12


    Only children under 18 of the refugee and his/her married partner
    Reuniting their extended family seems just ridiculous and unfeasible


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,152 ✭✭✭ Odhinn


    It’s such a spectacularly stupid idea that you would have to worry about the motive behind it. When you look at the potential size of the extended family from the countries that they come from, it's beyond just a bad idea.

    We should send out a letter to them places -

    "Dear foriegners, if you intend to been in a nasty aul war at any stage in the future, cut down on the sprogs"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 PeterParker957


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Only children under 18 of the refugee and his/her married partner

    How many wives though ???? This could still be 15-20 souls.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭ wakka12


    How many wives though ???? This could still be 15-20 souls.

    Whoever is the mother of the children, I think in those polygmaous marriages theres usually just one mother of the children? but not sure


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭ Hitman3000


    I wonder where they intend housing them if the bill passes. Direct provision is nearly at capacity and in case these geniuses have missed it there is a housing shortage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,333 ✭✭✭✭ seamus


    It's fairly alarmist. There's nothing to suggest they're proposing that people can be reunified with their extended family.

    The proposal is simply to extend the ability of reunification to
    "(e) any grandparent, parent, brother, sister, child, grandchild, ward or guardian of the sponsor who is dependent on the qualified person or is suffering from a mental or physical disability to such extent that it is not reasonable for him or her to maintain himself or herself fully."

    That is, anyone who is dependent on the person. Seems reasonable.

    It'll likely be modified in later stages to clarify what "dependent" means so that people aren't bringing over their able-bodied 35 year old children.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭ wakka12


    seamus wrote: »
    It's fairly alarmist.

    The proposal is simply to extend the ability of reunification to
    "(e) any grandparent, parent, brother, sister, child, grandchild, ward or guardian of the sponsor who is dependent on the qualified person or is suffering from a mental or physical disability to such extent that it is not reasonable for him or her to maintain himself or herself fully."

    That is, anyone who is dependent on the person. Seems reasonable.

    It'll likely be modified in later stages to clarify what "dependent" means so that people aren't bringing over their able-bodied 35 year old children.

    You could make the case that any grandparent is dependent on you for instance


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,152 ✭✭✭ Odhinn


    How many wives though ???? This could still be 15-20 souls.

    Polygamy is rare.


  • Registered Users Posts: 41,312 ✭✭✭✭ SEPT 23 1989


    where will they live? we cant even house our own


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,865 ✭✭✭ rgossip30


    wrote:
    Do you have link as this is not in the article ? They can claim dependence I don't see any difference .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,769 tomwaterford


    It’s such a spectacularly stupid idea that you would have to worry about the motive behind it. When you look at the potential size of the extended family from the countries that they come from, it's beyond just a bad idea.

    I have no issue taking in anyone fleeing war,if they make roots/lives for themself,not againest letting them stay



    But this is ridcolus to be looking to bring in people and the war over. ...if anything I'd taught their refugee status could be at risk?


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,184 ✭✭✭✭ _Kaiser_


    Ridiculous notion. Aside from the fact that we have enough problems trying to house our own, how do they propose to pay for these people who will inevitably end up dependent on the State to feed/house/support them possibly indefinitely.

    I keep saying this - we're a small island nation of 4.5 million people with significant infrastructure, economic and social issues as it is (and stuff like Brexit on the horizon which will probably make things worse in the short-medium term).
    Sort out the problems here before we start trying to sort out the problems elsewhere (and which we have no obligation for). Charity begins at home and there's more than enough deserving cases if there's suddenly resources to spare.


  • Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭ one world order


    We need to get rid of the Seanad


  • Registered Users Posts: 751 quintana76


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    I wonder where they intend housing them if the bill passes. Direct provision is nearly at capacity and in case these geniuses have missed it there is a housing shortage.
    Not an issue when you are just showing off how virtuous and caring you are. Consequences are not a consideration especially when it won't effect you directly.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 751 quintana76


    We need to get rid of the Seanad

    Well had the chance with the referendum. In our collective wisdom we decided to give Enda a kicking instead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 751 quintana76


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Only children under 18 of the refugee and his/her married partner
    Reuniting their extended family seems just ridiculous and unfeasible
    [PHP]

    When considering this option think of Sr Zappone of the bearded 'children'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭ Hitman3000


    hawkelady wrote:
    Ibraham's sisters will be happy !!!


    They are already citizens so will have no effect on them. Thankfully.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,184 ✭✭✭✭ _Kaiser_


    We need to get rid of the Seanad
    quintana76 wrote: »
    Well had the chance with the referendum. In our collective wisdom we decided to give Enda a kicking instead.

    Nope, most people recognize the value (in theory) of two houses of parliament.. the problem is the third option "reform it" wasn't offered by Enda.

    That's what's needed... not give Leo and co even more of a free hand then they already have.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭ suicide_circus


    Does this imply that those with refugee status are here on a permanent basis?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 PeterParker957


    Does this imply that those with refugee status are here on a permanent basis?

    I never thought otherwise to be honest.


  • Registered Users Posts: 74,958 ✭✭✭✭ JP Liz V1


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    I wonder where they intend housing them if the bill passes. Direct provision is nearly at capacity and in case these geniuses have missed it there is a housing shortage.

    Ballaghaderreen


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭ Hitman3000


    JP Liz V1 wrote:
    Ballaghaderreen


    Have you been there? Seems to me it was done to encourage them to want to go back to Syria.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,204 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Ridiculous notion. Aside from the fact that we have enough problems trying to house our own, how do they propose to pay for these people who will inevitably end up dependent on the State to feed/house/support them possibly indefinitely.

    I keep saying this - we're a small island nation of 4.5 million people with significant infrastructure, economic and social issues as it is (and stuff like Brexit on the horizon which will probably make things worse in the short-medium term).
    Sort out the problems here before we start trying to sort out the problems elsewhere (and which we have no obligation for). Charity begins at home and there's more than enough deserving cases if there's suddenly resources to spare.


    charity doesn't begin at home as we have systems to deal with our issues.
    We need to get rid of the Seanad


    we don't.

    julian the journalist asange is innocent, free julian the journalist.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 PeterParker957


    charity doesn't begin at home as we have systems to deal with our issues.

    nope.


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