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'I just want a home for my children' - mum on housing list for 12 years

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    #182
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Sure look what happened to Leo when he suggested something for the people who get up early in the morning.

    People lost all sense of normality and near **** themselves at the mention of something like this.

    The media and the leftie do gooders see people working as rich and evil and they need to be taxed into oblivion to pay for the poor entitled brigade.

    Country is going down a **** hole quickly.


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    #183
    SAMTALK
    Registered Users Posts: 2,317 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    ban resistant recalcitrant debutant wrote: »
    Hi







    I grow my own cannabis,






    howamidifferent wrote: »
    And are you planning to contribute to this universal income for all by paying your fair share of the taxes required to support it? :confused:


    I'm sure he is.

    Hasn't he a business :D


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    #184
    JC01
    Registered Users Posts: 591 ✭✭✭JC01


    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Well that small percentage needs to be targeted for relocation. If you have a council house and you haven't worked in let's say 5 years then off you go down to ballygobackwards. But let's not as a society go down the root of putting across this stupid snobby attitude of "everyone in social housing is lazy and the taxpayer keeps a roof over their heads" They are the bloody taxpayers also and it's not their fault an average house in Dublin costs half a million euro.

    Agree completely. But as i meantioned in a similar thread the system is in dire need of an overhaul.

    To give an example iv friends where herself has a council house and works in a shop, rent is 50e a week, her partner unofficially lives with her, 70k income between them and they pay 200e a month on a property worth 1k a month easy. As far as I'm concerned that system is utterly broken.


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    #185
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Sure look what happened to Leo when he suggested something for the people who get up early in the morning.

    People lost all sense of normality and near **** themselves at the mention of something like this.

    Yeah, I remember wondering what the hell the story was with that when it happened. I'm no blueshirt but what could possibly be people's problems with giving working people a bit of a break? Even the "I Pay for Nothing Ever" Alphabet Soup Parties claim to be working in the interests of the workers - presumably that was who Leo was referring to, was it not?


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    #186
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,563 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    JC01 wrote: »
    Agree completely. But as i meantioned in a similar thread the system is in dire need of an overhaul.

    To give an example iv friends where herself has a council house and works in a shop, rent is 50e a week, her partner unofficially lives with her, 70k income between them and they pay 200e a month on a property worth 1k a month easy. As far as I'm concerned that system is utterly broken.
    This is the point I'm blue in the face making in these boards.
    Why would people work when they can get these houses for free?


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    #187
    Tenigate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Tenigate


    She should put the kids up for adoption if she wants to give them a proper home.


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    #188
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    JC01 wrote: »
    Agree completely. But as i meantioned in a similar thread the system is in dire need of an overhaul.

    To give an example iv friends where herself has a council house and works in a shop, rent is 50e a week, her partner unofficially lives with her, 70k income between them and they pay 200e a month on a property worth 1k a month easy. As far as I'm concerned that system is utterly broken.

    Shop them.


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    #189
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,563 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    kylith wrote: »
    Shop them.
    +1
    I have done (for people in my circle) before.
    You can even do it online, simple.


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    #190
    littelady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭littelady


    To: ban resistant recalcitrant debutant. I have a question you have no shame online bragging about your "lifestyle" in reality in front of your family & friends etc are you any way embarrassed.


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    #191
    littelady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭littelady


    kylith wrote: »
    Shop them.

    Agreed shop them


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    #192
    boardsuser1
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    littelady wrote: »
    To: ban resistant recalcitrant debutant. I have a question you have no shame online bragging about your "lifestyle" in reality in front of your family & friends etc are you any way embarrassed.

    He's a re-reg I can almost bet on it.


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    #193
    Owryan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Owryan


    ban resistant recalcitrant debutant wrote: »
    A universal income is the only way to go. And less inequality if possible

    How will we fund this? The last report suggested that a universal income at the SW rate would require a tax rate of 57% on every euro earned over that amount with higher rates as per normal.

    Don't forget a universal payment means no more welfare, medical cards or other forms of social assistance.


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    #194
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,155 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Owryan wrote: »
    Don't forget a universal payment means no more welfare, medical cards or other forms of social assistance.

    It doesn't mean no more medical cards. Don't be daft.


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    #195
    fizzypish
    Registered Users Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭fizzypish


    Cork Truck Driver wrote: »
    He's a re-reg I can almost bet on it.

    Come now. He/she said that they weren't a troll. Internet never lies!


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    #196
    boardsuser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭boardsuser1


    fizzypish wrote: »
    Come now. He/she said that they weren't a troll. Internet never lies!

    :pac:


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    #197
    Owryan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Owryan


    Grayson wrote: »
    It doesn't mean no more medical cards. Don't be daft.

    That's exactly what the report recommended. It was based on the health care model where you paid based on insurance and means. Similar to what FG proposed a few years ago.


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    #198
    Tayschren
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭Tayschren


    ban resistant recalcitrant debutant wrote: »
    Hi

    I'm a new user.

    I'm not a troll but I will argue that the mother involved here is making a rational choice. If she attempted to work she probably wouldn't be able to afford what she will most likely get for free from the taxpayer. Her actions makes sense from that point of view.

    Society is supposed to be based on solidarity among individuals. If that solidarity is lost, then society itself no longer really exists, as society by definition requires solidarity.

    I myself am on social welfare as a choice. I lie on various forms and say that I am genuinely seeking work when I'm not. I don't feel like a master criminal. I want to live my life in a particular way and so that's what I do.

    If the rule of law was very strong in our country then perhaps I'd feel differently. I don't feel bad about what I'm doing in the same way that politicians and the Guards for example don't appear to feel bad about their behaviour.

    I worked in Dublin for years and struggled to pay rent and struggled to purchase sufficient cannabis. Now I live down the country, I don't work, I grow my own cannabis, and I collect 10,000 per year social welfare. I much prefer this lifestyle. Politicians are supposed to provide the lifestyle that their constituents call for. No politician is prepared to accommodate me in my preferred lifestyle. That means I simply have to take what I want.

    Many other people in Irish society also simply take what they want. So I follow the example laid down by role models, my betters obviously. Irish society appears to be largely corrupt so my minor corruption is on no significance, and I'm not prepared to be lectured to about my acts.

    If politicians were prepared to actually represent the population then perhaps things would be different.

    If people aren't happy in work then leave work and go on the dole.

    By the way, I have no kids. If I did I wouldn't be prepared to live this lifestyle.
    ban resistant recalcitrant debutant wrote: »
    A universal income is the only way to go. And less inequality if possible.

    There's a very interesting comment made in one of the newspapers (Washington Post maybe) that a universal income follows on from the abolition of slavery, and from the granting of the vote to everybody, as a essential and necessary human right.

    In the future a universal income will be seen as perfectly fair and necessary.

    A universal income can be compared to slavery as not having a universal income means that people are forced to take low paying jobs, and sometimes degrading jobs. Such people are effectively slaves to the economic system. By providing a universal income people would have real choice to say no to low paying jobs. They'd have been freed from their slavery.

    I agree with the comparison between the abolition of slavery and the provision of a universal income. They are very different things in many ways but in other ways they are the same type of thing.

    Your on the right path,


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    #199
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 20,929 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    silverharp wrote: »
    cant she get the fathers to chip in

    When they get some rights maybe


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    #200
    Owryan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Owryan


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    When they get some rights maybe

    Father's are obligated to support their children regardless of their paternal rights strangely enough. It's the only legal right unmarried father's have if they don't meet the requirements for automatic guardianship.


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    #201
    Gringo180
    Registered Users Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    ELM327 wrote: »
    +1
    I have done (for people in my circle) before.
    You can even do it online, simple.

    Who needs enemies when they have friends like you.


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    #202
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Goat the dote wrote: »
    Saw a post on a Facebook group yesterday. Woman in a 2 bed council house looking for a bigger house, because, since she got the house she has gotten married and had 2 more children and now needs more space.
    I would have thought a clever solution to that would have been to not have 2 more children if you didn't have space in your as-good-as-free house

    Understandable, as families grow so do space requirements.

    The solution here is to approach a financial lending institution aka 'bank' and seek a mortgage to purchase a bigger house.

    Please pass on this info to them.


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    #203
    B.A._Baracus
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    She be working the system while ya'll be getting your knickers in a twist :pac:

    Not saying she is right. Not saying she is wrong. But it is what it is. Not her be someone else. Articles like these just enrage the average non-working system Joe.


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    #204
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Who needs enemies when they have friends like you.

    It's a pity about them. They have a very healthy income, they should be turfed out of social housing to make room for someone genuinely in need.


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    #205
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Who needs enemies when they have friends like you.

    The rest of us are obligated to put up with people screwing us via the system?


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    #206
    Gringo180
    Registered Users Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    kylith wrote: »
    It's a pity about them. They have a very healthy income, they should be turfed out of social housing to make room for someone genuinely in need.

    Divide and conquer works great in Ireland. A nation of begrudgers. Should we not be more worried as a society of the tax evasion in this country instead of people who are on benefits. The dole and rent allowance costs the country around 10 billion a year, a drop in the ocean compared to big corporations tax avoidance on this island. The aviation industries tax relief alone per annum totals around half a billion a year, then you have European banks getting tax reliefs that are in the billions each year.


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    #207
    Barry Badrinath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭Barry Badrinath


    I know a 27 year old girl, 2 kids, 2 different sperm donors, never worked a day in her life.

    She complains that she has to pay €50 a week to the CC for a 2 bed house in an area with the highest average house prices in Dublin.

    Shes complaining because her 21 year old sister has 3 kids, 3 sperm donors and a brand new 3 bed house.....but only pays €25 a week.

    Apparently.....its not fair!


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    #208
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Divide and conquer works great in Ireland. A nation of begrudgers. Should we not be more worried as a society of the tax evasion in this country instead of people who are on benefits. The dole and rent allowance costs the country around 10 billion a year, a drop in the ocean compared to big corporations tax avoidance on this island. The aviation industries tax relief alone per annum totals around half a billion a year, then you have European banks getting tax reliefs that are in the billions each year.

    Maybe, just maybe, we can be concerned with both.

    People earning 70K a year have no place in social housing when there are families in hotel rooms and shelters.


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    #209
    worded
    Registered Users Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭worded


    Winterlong wrote: »
    People who work in low paid jobs should be prioritised on the housing list.

    Excellent idea there

    Also a down ward sliding scale for dole like Poland has

    We are a soft touch here


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    #211
    Owryan
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    kylith wrote: »
    It's a pity about them. They have a very healthy income, they should be turfed out of social housing to make room for someone genuinely in need.


    Thats the problem, councils dont evict tenants who can support themselves. So they end up with houses that are occupied by families that are no longer in need of them while families in need of a home go without.


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