Heavyweight Boxing

yourdeadwright · 27-03-2018 4:33pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I'll be waiting to see the weigh-in before making any predictions or bets, but from initial looks at Parker he appears to be a little thinner in the face than previous. Anyone else think the same?

Parker camp have said they tried to bulk him up for recent fights to add more power but have decided that it didn't work and he looked worse ,
They are on record of saying they want him to weigh about 108 kg this time around ,

normanoffside · 27-03-2018 6:47pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Parker camp have said they tried to bulk him up for recent fights to add more power but have decided that it didn't work and he looked worse ,
They are on record of saying they want him to weigh about 108 kg this time around ,

That’s 17 Stone/ 238lbs I think. Still a bit much for him IMO. He was 234 as recently ago as against Takam, he looked in good shape then.
He was 245/246 in recent fights and looked awful.

squinn2912 · 27-03-2018 9:42pm

I think you’re right. If he comes in 230-235 then he’s going to be quick

Henno30 · 27-03-2018 10:09pm

Anyone picking Parker for this?

StringerBell · 27-03-2018 11:17pm

Henno30 wrote: »

Anyone picking Parker for this?

No but I do give him a good shot if he can rattle AJ early

squinn2912 · 28-03-2018 11:54am

Here's a thought that's just occurred to me. I've been very preoccupied with the idea that either AJ blows Parker away, it goes on for a little while and then AJ blows Parker away or Parker can weather the storm and find a punch against the run of play, capitalise and get the win… I still think those (particularly scenario 1&2) are the more likely but if this fight does go to points and something none of us expect happens - Parker has the better of the fight - would Parker get the decision? I couldn't see it. AJ is the cash cow and they won't want to kill it. I could see judges in the pocket for this one if it goes that far. I hope against hope that the referee doesn't tailor his approach to suit AJ because I feel that too would mean curtains. Maybe it just looks like that. In the Takam fight I thought he broke the fight up thus removing any real opportunity Takam had. Takam was probably still going to lose but he didn't make it any harder for AJ anyhow. I thought the same during the Whyte fight in round 1 anyhow. Didn;t change the outcome of course. I was hoping AJ wouldn't win so maybe that influences my view of the whole thing.
Just some thoughts.

walshb · 28-03-2018 12:57pm

Well, I just hope the anti AJ bias, which seems rather prevalent here doesn't get the cries of robbery or foul should Parker lose a decision in a clearly competitive and close type of fight.

You know the type of cries when a fighter does better than expected. They are almost given extra scores and points juts for this alone...

squinn2912 · 28-03-2018 1:42pm

walshb wrote: »

Well, I just hope the anti AJ bias, which seems rather prevalent here doesn't get the cries of robbery or foul should Parker lose a decision in a clearly competitive and close type of fight.

You know the type of cries when a fighter does better than expected. They are almost given extra scores and points juts for this alone...

Sounds like you're going back to the AJ/Fury wins over Wlad. I think everyone is entitled to make their own mind up about that but I'm not going into mine any more. I think most of the contributors here are committed to having a mature discussion and learning experience. I know I've made a few points here that have been met with disagreement. I welcome that; it helps me develop my opinion on things.
If it's a close fight then Parker will have done very well but ultimately I really don't want the decision to go to the wrong man.

MD1990 · 28-03-2018 1:55pm

Suprised how many supporters Fury has. Guy is funny outside ring but he is very boring fighter to watch imo.

Joshua v Klit was one of the best heavyweight fight in the last 10 years.

yourdeadwright · 28-03-2018 2:54pm

MD1990 wrote: »

Suprised how many supporters Fury has. Guy is funny outside ring but he is very boring fighter to watch imo.

Joshua v Klit was one of the best heavyweight fight in the last 10 years.

I think people recognise Fury is a very talented fighter and enjoy watching talented fighters,
Does it surprise you that Floyd had so many supports ,another man who never really had exciting fights ,
Some people love the art of shutting someone else down others love a good brawl , each to there own and all that,
Personally I think Aj v Wlad was one of the most exciting but not one of the best performances in recent years, again its a personal preference ,

walshb · 28-03-2018 3:15pm

I think Fury when he commits and fights is enjoyable to watch.

squinn2912 · 28-03-2018 3:24pm

But anyhow. The prospect of two young, unbeaten fighters facing one another to unify world titles is amazing! It looks as though one has the potential to demolish the other but there certainly is a lingering doubt about that. On Sunday we could be saying different things about one being all talk etc but at the moment it's very compelling viewing!

MD1990 · 28-03-2018 3:52pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I think people recognise Fury is a very talented fighter and enjoy watching talented fighters,
Does it surprise you that Floyd had so many supports ,another man who never really had exciting fights ,
Some people love the art of shutting someone else down others love a good brawl , each to there own and all that,
Personally I think Aj v Wlad was one of the most exciting but not one of the best performances in recent years, again its a personal preference ,

Can't compare the skills of Floyd to Fury. Though Fury is a skilled fighter.

Before Gatti Floyd was an exciting fighter. He had to change because of hand unjuries.

yourdeadwright · 28-03-2018 3:57pm

MD1990 wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I think people recognise Fury is a very talented fighter and enjoy watching talented fighters,
Does it surprise you that Floyd had so many supports ,another man who never really had exciting fights ,
Some people love the art of shutting someone else down others love a good brawl , each to there own and all that,
Personally I think Aj v Wlad was one of the most exciting but not one of the best performances in recent years, again its a personal preference ,

Can't compare the skills of Floyd to Fury. Though Fury is a skilled fighter.

Before Gatti Floyd was an exciting fighter. He had to change because of hand unjuries.

Obviously poles apart , I mean in terms of guys don't have to be exciting to have fans ,

walshb · 28-03-2018 4:16pm

Poles apart due more to their massive size and weight differences.

Cannot compare the skillets (accurately) of a 5 feet 8 inch 130-147 lbs fighter to a 6 feet 9 inch 250 lbs fighter.

Trying to matter of fact claim that the smaller man is more skilled is pointless. You can't compare them because of their huge size differences....

I have always said that for such a big man, Fury is quite skilled.

yourdeadwright · 28-03-2018 4:43pm

walshb wrote: »

Poles apart due more to their massive size and weight differences.

Cannot compare the skillets (accurately) of a 5 feet 8 inch 130-147 lbs fighter to a 6 feet 9 inch 250 lbs fighter.

Trying to matter of fact claim that the smaller man is more skilled is pointless. You can't compare them because of their huge size differences....

I have always said that for such a big man, Fury is quite skilled.

I was going for poles apart in the longevity at the very top of the tree,

squinn2912 · 28-03-2018 8:53pm

The funny thing about the heavyweights currently is that so many of them are untested and hard to gauge. Up until the last few weeks there were so many quite relevant fighters still on an 0

The Nal · 29-03-2018 9:01am

squinn2912 wrote: »

The funny thing about the heavyweights currently is that so many of them are untested and hard to gauge. Up until the last few weeks there were so many quite relevant fighters still on an 0

Thats what selling a lot of these fights. Lucas Browne was 25-0 until last week. And hes a total punchbag.

Hearn needs to get AJ vs Wilder on later this year. Both 0 losses. Biggest heavyweight fight in years. Assuming AJ passes the test on Saturday.

walshb · 29-03-2018 9:10am

The Nal wrote: »

Thats what selling a lot of these fights. Lucas Browne was 25-0 until last week. And hes a total punchbag.

Hearn needs to get AJ vs Wilder on later this year. Both 0 losses. Biggest heavyweight fight in years. Assuming AJ passes the test on Saturday.

Very true. It's a shambles all the postulating and procrastinating that goes on in getting these big fights sorted.

We don't give a fook about Whyte-Wilder or AJ-Whyte II etc etc.....

Make AJ-Wilder before 2019....

yourdeadwright · 29-03-2018 10:35am

The Nal wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

The funny thing about the heavyweights currently is that so many of them are untested and hard to gauge. Up until the last few weeks there were so many quite relevant fighters still on an 0

Thats what selling a lot of these fights. Lucas Browne was 25-0 until last week. And hes a total punchbag.

Hearn needs to get AJ vs Wilder on later this year. Both 0 losses. Biggest heavyweight fight in years. Assuming AJ passes the test on Saturday.

There's no way it happens this year,
All week Hearn is pushing Whyte V Wilder,
I think they are till not sure how good Wilder is and hope Whyte gets rid of him cause if AJ loses there cash cow is gone, Not Aj's fault he probably wants the fight,

squinn2912 · 29-03-2018 10:36am

walshb wrote: »

The Nal wrote: »

Thats what selling a lot of these fights. Lucas Browne was 25-0 until last week. And hes a total punchbag.

Hearn needs to get AJ vs Wilder on later this year. Both 0 losses. Biggest heavyweight fight in years. Assuming AJ passes the test on Saturday.

Very true. It's a shambles all the postulating and procrastinating that goes on in getting these big fights sorted.

We don't give a fook about Whyte-Wilder or AJ-Whyte II etc etc.....

Make AJ-Wilder before 2019....

I'm with you guys on that but I really don't see it happening. In this age of social media (although TF is giving it up apparently) the postulating is ever-increased. Right now there are 4 HW contenders on 0s. Wilder, Fury, AJ and Parker. In not too long one 0 will go but in not too long after that there'll be Joe Joyce and Daniel Dubois and we'll be speaking about them in similar terms once they rack up double digit wins. Millar is another on an 0 as well come to think of it.
But lads, weren't big fights always hard to make and painfully drawn out? Look at the age it took Tyson and Lewis to meet. Lewis and Bowe never did. When Wlad ruled I suppose he fought all-comers but it's just that the comers weren't of the same ilk.

yourdeadwright · 29-03-2018 10:36am

There's even report Hearn has asked Wilder's camp to stay away on Saturday as he doesn't want Wilder to enter the ring after and have the fight pushed on AJ ,

The Nal · 29-03-2018 10:49am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

There's no way it happens this year,
All week Hearn is pushing Whyte V Wilder,
I think they are till not sure how good Wilder is and hope Whyte gets rid of him cause if AJ loses there cash cow is gone, Not Aj's fault he probably wants the fight,

I know what you mean but AJ is going to get clipped and KO'd by someone at some stage. Hes not that good.

Risking Wilder losing to Whyte is also destroying a cash cow - the AJ vs Wilder fight. An unbeaten US champion vs an unbeaten UK champion is a huge PPV draw on both sides of the Atlantic which hasn't happened since pre Klitschko?

The winner gets Fury. Hes still the lineal champ after all.

squinn2912 · 29-03-2018 11:04am

Surely if Wilder poses a serious threat to AJ then he should get through Whyte with little fuss. Whyte has one big win over Browne who was in shocking condition to be fighting at the upper end of HW. Other than that there was the debatable win over Chisora who is well below elite of the division and then there was the AJ fight. He got demolished. He could well have been KO'ed in round 1 and was lucky not to be. He got one shot in that stunned AJ but I don't think AJ was in real trouble he just had to weather the storm a bit.
AJ does leave himself open but I wonder who this someone is that is going to get to him?
I would also question this fear of Wilder. With over 2 stone advantage in weight he could make very short work of him. I think it would be a toss up despite that point (Wilder will put on weight) but I don't think AJ looks at that fight with any fear whatsoever.

The Nal · 29-03-2018 11:18am

squinn2912 wrote: »

Surely if Wilder poses a serious threat to AJ then he should get through Whyte with little fuss. Whyte has one big win over Browne who was in shocking condition to be fighting at the upper end of HW. Other than that there was the debatable win over Chisora who is well below elite of the division and then there was the AJ fight. He got demolished. He could well have been KO'ed in round 1 and was lucky not to be. He got one shot in that stunned AJ but I don't think AJ was in real trouble he just had to weather the storm a bit.
AJ does leave himself open but I wonder who this someone is that is going to get to him?
I would also question this fear of Wilder. With over 2 stone advantage in weight he could make very short work of him. I think it would be a toss up despite that point (Wilder will put on weight) but I don't think AJ looks at that fight with any fear whatsoever.

Wilder has one of the most unique and sloppy fighting styles I've ever seen. Its madness. I think he would be destroyed by though AJ yeah. But Whyte could beat him too. A decent pro with a solid form and stance. Theres the AJ payday for all out the window. Including a rematch maybe if its close or a flash KO.

squinn2912 · 29-03-2018 11:33am

I don't know about AJ destroying him. I appreciate AJ's achievements but I'm by no means his greatest fan! Wilder would need to weigh at least 16 stone. I think Wilder would KO Whyte. Whyte has done nothing and looked good once as far as I can see against a lad who began boxing at about 30 and came in with no condition, skill or speed. He couldn't but KO him. I think Fury, AJ and Wilder are hard to separate as long as Wilder has the weight. I think the rest are a long way back. On a given day I think they could all win against one another too but I don't see another HW who could compare right now. Not until we've seen more from one or two younger charges.

walshb · 29-03-2018 11:34am

Wilder looks all this and that (in a "bad" way) , but he is a hard man to beat......

Simple: He keeps winning and keeps knocking opponents out. Every one of them he knocked out...

Folks keep wanting him to trip up and keep telling us how "poor" hes is blah blah blah.....

Bottom line is that he is yet to lose and yet to be exposed......when he wants he can be neat and tidy......most times he does't have to be because he is clearly superior via his firepower and size...

squinn2912 · 29-03-2018 11:35am

walshb wrote: »

Wilder looks all this and that, but he is a hard man to beat......

Simple: He keeps winning and keeps knocking opponents out. Every one of them he knocked out...

Folks keep wanting him to trip up and keep telling us how "poor" hes is blah blah blah.....

Bottom line is that he is yet to lose and yet to be exposed......when he wants he can be neat and tidy......most times he does't have to be because he is clearly superior via his firepower and size...

Yep I agree with all of that. He looks untidy usually when his opponent is about to eat canvas. He has a decent jab and serious power

The Nal · 29-03-2018 11:49am

walshb wrote: »

Wilder looks all this and that (in a "bad" way) , but he is a hard man to beat......

Simple: He keeps winning and keeps knocking opponents out. Every one of them he knocked out...

Folks keep wanting him to trip up and keep telling us how "poor" hes is blah blah blah.....

Bottom line is that he is yet to lose and yet to be exposed......when he wants he can be neat and tidy......most times he does't have to be because he is clearly superior via his firepower and size...

Hmmm, he was exposed vs Ortiz. The fight was very nearly stopped a couple of rounds before he knocked him out. He had help after that round from a weird doctor check too which got him an extra 20 seconds or so. Good chin though.

walshb · 29-03-2018 11:55am

The Nal wrote: »

Hmmm, he was exposed vs Ortiz. The fight was very nearly stopped a couple of rounds before he knocked him out. He had help after that round from a weird doctor check too which got him an extra 20 seconds or so. Good chin though.

Exposed for what, exactly?

He won the fight and was ahead on all cards.....

Ortiz is quite a good fighter, and hyped up as such. Could we not argue that he was the one more exposed, seeing as he lost the fight via KO....

If we go by your reasoning, then every fighter gets exposed at one point or another, whether it's during a winning or losing fight...

BTW, there was no weird doctor check. That was within the rules and procedures. Nothing suspicious or illegal here.

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