Heavyweight Boxing

yourdeadwright

The Nal wrote: »

Eric Molina banned for two years for failing a drug test after the Joshua fight.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/44212756

Very  odd, surely taking it the day of the fight would have no benefits to your performance ?,

squinn2912

Wasn't a huge amount of help to him! It's rife. I think the bans need to be more harsh.

walshb

squinn2912 wrote: »

Wasn't a huge amount of help to him! It's rife. I think the bans need to be more harsh.

"The steroid is permitted by the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) out of competition."

It is also not performance enhancing. Although reading the paragraph below it looks contradictory to me...

"Dexamethasone is not a performance-enhancing drug but is used to treat conditions including asthma and cancer. It is prohibited during competition because it can give endurance athletes an unfair advantage, especially at altitude."

The stupidity of these doping rules and what is and what is not permitted.....

Joe_ Public

walshb wrote: »

"The steroid is permitted by the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) out of competition."

It is also not performance enhancing. Although reading the paragraph below it looks contradictory to me...

"Dexamethasone is not a performance-enhancing drug but is used to treat conditions including asthma and cancer. It is prohibited during competition because it can give endurance athletes an unfair advantage, especially at altitude."

The stupidity of these doping rules and what is and what is not permitted.....

Ha...surely the only stupidity worth talking about is a guy taking a banned drug on the day of competing.

walshb

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Ha...surely the only stupidity worth talking about is a guy taking a banned drug on the day of competing.

I think that is a bit black and white here....

And it can be for many examples.....the reports suggests that there was intention to cheat, add this to the ridiculous contradictory information on the substance, and.......?

squinn2912

Hard to know. On reading it again he didn’t deny anything and it seems it was to get rid of an on the day problem.... but if it’s on the list it’s on the list.
The best of it is he was going to get KO’ed either way. Had he left it alone he could be building up for eliminator fights with the likes of Whyte or Parker either headlining or on big HW undercards. He might not serve the entire ban

Joe_ Public

walshb wrote: »

I think that is a bit black and white here....

And it can be for many examples.....the reports suggests that there was intention to cheat, add this to the ridiculous contradictory information on the substance, and.......?

Sure, but black and white describes the rule. Athlete responsible for all substances he or she ingests. Could it be any simpler? No grey areas.

There may have been no intention to cheat, i'll grant you that. But the least any athlete taking an injection of any substance on the day of competition should be on the look out for is the possibility of contamination. Schoolboy error to get caught out like that, whatever the intention of taking it. For gross stupidity alone, i dont see why he shouldnt get the full 2 years.

walshb

Anyway, is he the first sports competitor to ever take a performance reducing drug, that is the real question.....?

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

Anyway, is he the first sports competitor to ever take a performance reducing drug, that is the real question.....?

Id argue some of the MMA lads who have been done for weed in there system ,
 Surely can't help in a fight ,
Although I guess some may argue helps you relax ,

FTA69

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Id argue some of the MMA lads who have been done for weed in there system ,
 Surely can't help in a fight ,
Although I guess some may argue helps you relax ,

Does it f*ck. Sanctioning people for stuff that isn't performance enhancing is ridiculous.

yourdeadwright

FTA69 wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Id argue some of the MMA lads who have been done for weed in there system ,
 Surely can't help in a fight ,
Although I guess some may argue helps you relax ,

Does it f*ck. Sanctioning people for stuff that isn't performance enhancing is ridiculous.

You'd be surprised , iv grappled with some high level guys before who swear it makes them flow better and free's the mind, 
Stoners for ye

Morrison J

So Joshua has turned down a 50m offer after saying "offer me 50m and I'll accept tomorrow."

First they tried to make people think the offer wasn't real, now they are taking issue with the location. They definitely don't want it yet.

walshb

This mega fight probably goes the same way as Floyd-Manny...posing and threatening and stalling...jokers..

Subcomandante Marcos

walshb wrote: »

This mega fight probably goes the same way as Floyd-Manny...posing and threatening and stalling...jokers..

Only one side is stalling though.

walshb

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Only one side is stalling though.

They’ll say otherwise, and to us casual fans we can never really know..

But I get the feeling, and always have that AJ and his crew have a little more “fear and doubt” than Wilder and his crew..

squinn2912

walshb wrote: »

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Only one side is stalling though.

They’ll say otherwise, and to us casual fans we can never really know..

But I get the feeling, and always have that AJ and his crew have a little more “fear and doubt” than Wilder and his crew..

Do you really think so?? You don’t reckon AJ fancies the job? Wilder is dangerous though

walshb

squinn2912 wrote: »

Do you really think so?? You don’t reckon AJ fancies the job? Wilder is dangerous though

Doesn’t fancy it as much as Wilder. Can’t know for certain.

Both are human. Both have thoughts and feelings and concerns and worries just like us all...Wilder I think is probably a little more sure and a little less “scared.”

Although, AJ is a bit of a badass underneath that choreographed match room persona..but being a badass against a Takam, Parker, Martin et al, may not require as much gusto as needed for facing a Wilder...

squinn2912

Well wilder has less time I suppose. Maybe he has a point when he alleges they’re waiting on age to catch up with him!

I’m surprised you’re saying that though I thought you’d have AJ down for an easy win.

walshb

squinn2912 wrote: »

Well wilder has less time I suppose. Maybe he has a point when he alleges they’re waiting on age to catch up with him!

I’m surprised you’re saying that though I thought you’d have AJ down for an easy win.

I’ve been saying that Wilder wins for a long time now..

It’s almost 50:50, but for me, Wilder wins this short sharp shootout..

Subcomandante Marcos

walshb wrote: »

I’ve been saying that Wilder wins for a long time now..

It’s almost 50:50, but for me, Wilder wins this short sharp shootout..

The winner by Windmill in the 4th.

No doubting Joshua is the better boxer but Wilders power and "unique" style are just hard to deal with.

FTA69

Joshua is bang average at the end of the day and will be dehyped at one stage or another.

walshb

FTA69 wrote: »

Joshua is bang average at the end of the day and will be dehyped at one stage or another.

This a windup?

walshb

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The winner by Windmill in the 4th.

No doubting Joshua is the better boxer but Wilders power and "unique" style are just hard to deal with.

If I had real confidence in AJs chin I’d pick him almost every time.

FTA69

walshb wrote: »

This a windup?

No it's not a windup at all, he's a lad who is sitting atop a generally very weak division who makes tortuous work of beating generally average opposition. As heavyweight champions go - he's very unimpressive.

walshb

FTA69 wrote: »

No it's not a windup at all, he's a lad who is sitting atop a generally very weak division who makes tortuous work of beating generally average opposition. As heavyweight champions go - he's very unimpressive.

Historically, AJ doesn’t wow me. But today and this current era he is elite and close to the top, if not top of the pile. That’s not bang average for his era..

I think there are far “weaker” WCs in boxing today than he..

squinn2912

I'm not convinced that Wilder does very much to improve his game while I think AJ is meticulous in preparation and tactics, even if the evidence suggests that he still drops the hands a bit too much and continues to be very straight back and forward. If he were to make a real weapon of the jab then I think that alone would set up a ko vs Wilder. Although establishing a jab with a crazed bull flinging shots from every angle is easier said than done. Wilder KO'ing Ortiz has made AJ and his team sit up and take a bit more notice. I would still expect AJ to win, though - I think there are more ways he can do it - jab, body work or even be first with the big shot. Wilder has one way and that makes him vulnerable.

Ultimate Seduction

walshb wrote: »

I’ve been saying that Wilder wins for a long time now..

It’s almost 50:50, but for me, Wilder wins this short sharp shootout..

AJ is the tidy boxer in that fight which is crazy, but I see wilder winning with by knockout with a windmill punch myself.

Psychsearch

Think AJ would beat Wilder, though Wilder surprised me against Ortiz.

squinn2912

Saw a photo of Tyson Fury online. Guy has arms like legs!

yourdeadwright

squinn2912 wrote: »

Saw a photo of Tyson Fury online. Guy has arms like legs!

I seen that he looks like he is carrying a lot more muscle than before, I wonder will it work for him or against him

walshb

Can someone link/post the photo?

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

Can someone link/post the photo?

Not sure how to do it but its on his Instagram account, Could be the way he is standing and the fact he's wearing a tank top but he looks like a beast .,

Subcomandante Marcos

walshb wrote: »

Can someone link/post the photo?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjKDRUgD6Hw/

squinn2912

I think it’s a strange one if he’s going for power rather than mobility and stamina.

walshb

I'd like to see a former photo of him when in fighting shape to make a valid comparison/opinion...

Subcomandante Marcos

walshb wrote: »

I'd like to see a former photo of him when in fighting shape to make a valid comparison/opinion...

Not the same angle, but this is from 2012 when he was very lean.
He was also 23 in the pic below so even if he was ripped now he's be naturally a bit bulkier. Still though, the arms look a bit bigger. You'd also have to bear in mind that he's flexing in the first picture.

I dunno really, his arms look bigger than they did 6 years ago but I'm not sure they're any bigger than they were when he fought Wlad.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bi5RI4OD2ko/

squinn2912

He’s definitely put on some muscle but weirdly it didn’t look like it at the fight last week with a shirt on. Be interesting to see how he togs out on June 9

yourdeadwright

Picture could be taking right after a heavy arm session and he has a pump , who knows,
We will know for sure in a few weeks when he is in the ring,

normanoffside

squinn2912 wrote: »

He’s definitely put on some muscle but weirdly it didn’t look like it at the fight last week with a shirt on. Be interesting to see how he togs out on June 9

Yeah I saw him at a show last week and he still seems to be carry plenty of padding in the midriff.

squinn2912

That’s what I thought but also felt that could be healthier for him to be still carrying a slight bit and lose some more over another training camp

yourdeadwright

squinn2912 wrote: »

That’s what I thought but also felt that could be healthier for him to be still carrying a slight bit and lose some more over another training camp

Id tend to agree with you , he'd be silly to want to just look good,
You have to keep your cardio output up wit muscle mass and it actually take's a long time for the body to cardio output to catch up with added mass , So your a better off doing it at a slower rate

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

Wilder weighed in at 214lbs. :eek:
He could make cruiser I'm sure.

walshb wrote: »

cruisers are not 6 feet 7....

AJ and Wilder are both big men...height for Wilder and reach for him, with his wow power.

AJ with height, weight and excellent power..

Cruisers are not....

Wilder today saying he will step down to cruiser if he unifies heavy.
He obviously feels he could make weight, not sure he actually will do it though...

squinn2912

Ah that’s silly talk from him! He couldn’t and wouldn’t

walshb

He could, but it would be torture.....I mean, AJ could as well if we are going down this route, just harder for AJ...

ACAguy

I think the fights that will be announced next are.
AJ v Povektin (August/September)
Wilder v Breazeale
Whyte v Pulev 
Then others I predict will be announced will be 
Miller v Kownacki (Ring magazine top 10)
Parker v Jennings ( Mentioned in Media today)
Kabayel v Dimentrenko (EBU title)

squinn2912

walshb wrote: »

He could, but it would be torture.....I mean, AJ could as well if we are going down this route, just harder for AJ...

It's not physically impossible but there's no way guys like that could lose that much weight and still be able to perform.

walshb

squinn2912 wrote: »

It's not physically impossible but there's no way guys like that could lose that much weight and still be able to perform.

That's what I am thinking.

Wilder may be "light," but his frame is massive......

He keeps in nick. Ripped.

We're talking 15-25 lbs for him to lose....on a 6 feet 7 frame that is already ripped that is a lot.

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

It's not physically impossible but there's no way guys like that could lose that much weight and still be able to perform.

That's what I am thinking.

Wilder may be "light," but his frame is massive......

He keeps in nick. Ripped.

We're talking 15-25 lbs for him to lose....on a 6 feet 7 frame that is already ripped that is a lot.

I think your right, I can,t see Wilder losing enough weight,
As you said he doesn't carrying huge muscles mass, he is just a big framed guys who is ripped

Subcomandante Marcos

walshb wrote: »

That's what I am thinking.

Wilder may be "light," but his frame is massive......

He keeps in nick. Ripped.

We're talking 15-25 lbs for him to lose....on a 6 feet 7 frame that is already ripped that is a lot.

Someone that size can can easily cut 15bs. Easily. It's just water weight he'd be cutting. It's 7% of his total body weight. MMA fighters of similar size but 25+ lbs.

walshb

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Someone that size can can easily cut 15bs. Easily. It's just water weight he'd be cutting. It's 7% of his total body weight. MMA fighters of similar size but 25+ lbs.

Nobody said he could not cut the weight.

The man has fought in the high 220s. That's him prepared and ready and ripped to go.....

Asking that a man his height with his upper body frame to shed close on 30 lbs to then be really a force at 200 is risky.

He is already toned and tight when fighting at 220 and above....

Not saying he could not get to 200 and be the best......just saying that it would be a difficult slog to drop that weight and be as good as he was...