Heavyweight Boxing

Sebastian Dangerfield

Yeah theres no chance of Haye being sanctioned in any way, but if hes stupid enough to fight again they should really consider whether they license him to do so

squinn2912

So where is Hughie Fury in the pecking order now? Who would you put him up against? I’d love to see him in with Price, Whyte or Joyce

Johner

Joyce would be me choice for him next. Would be an interesting match up.

thebull85

Johner wrote: »

Joyce would be me choice for him next. Would be an interesting match up.

I seen Peter Fury came out this week and said theyve no interest in fighting Joyce as Hughie gains nothing from beating him.

Id tend to agree with him.

squinn2912

For fans a fight with Joyce would be brilliant but risky and for little extra gain

yourdeadwright

Neither fighter really gains form the Joyce v Fury fight at this stage, Id leave it for a couple of years,
I think Fury should fight Chisora , Its a fight he should win but its a step up from Sexton and then look at guys like Whyte ,
Price should retire no one needs to see him get ko'd again ,

Johner

thebull85 wrote: »

I seen Peter Fury came out this week and said theyve no interest in fighting Joyce as Hughie gains nothing from beating him.

Id tend to agree with him.

He'd win the commonwealth title and Joyce would be a good scalp, but you're right it's too much of a risk fighting Joyce at this stage because he'd more than likely lose and where would he go from there.

Hughie is a strange one, he's obviously above British level but would have no chance against the champions. Maybe a shot at the belt Charr has but I don't think he's rated by the WBA.

squinn2912

I think Price will fight on at British level and if he can win that belt then he will retire. It's not as though some journeyman KO'd him Povetkin is a real operator and I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually still on the juice. Not a murmur from him to engineer a big fight against Wilder or AJ. 
I'd rate Hughie/Joyce 50-50. I don't know if I'd expect Joyce to beat Parker but Hughie was comfortable in with him. But yea it's a big risk. But if he's really going to step it up then it will have to be a risky fight.

Sebastian Dangerfield

There was talk of Hughie fighting someone like Andy Ruiz Jr a while back, but that seems to have all gone quiet. Someone like Takam would be a good test, but Hughie / Hennessy brings no money to the table for an opponent of their choosing, and it's not likely a big name chooses him due to his style. I expect them to stay on the path a lot of british fighters do - stay busy against nobodies and wait for rankings boosts through sheer activity.

walshb

The win sure is getting a bit of talk. He beat a has-been nobody...

On the world scene, Hugie is at best a tune up..

squinn2912

You think? At 23 I think that’s a bit pessimistic. He gave as good as he got against Parker. If Tyson becomes more relevant then so will he

megadodge

I'm quite confident Hughie Fury would beat Joe Joyce. Joyce would struggle with his movement and jab all night long. I don't even think it would be close, except that Joyce will keep coming. But it wouldn't be enough. He'd really struggle to land punches.

Hughie beat Parker in my eyes. Which surely means he is capable of mixing it with the rest at the top. There aren't really too many better than Parker, if you look closely at the top 10.

I also think Hughie is a nightmare for Wilder. Wilder cannot possibly outbox him (or anyone half decent for that matter) and getting close to him and getting around that jab would be very difficult. Wilder prefers guys coming to him where eventually they get careless and walk onto a wild swing. Hughie will be circling and moving and double-jabbing. Wilder won't have a clue what to do to be honest and could end up looking even worse than normal, but may get rounds by default because of Hughie looking negative.

I think he may actually be too negative to beat Joshua. He'll take some tracking down, but eventually I think AJ gets to him.

squinn2912

I think you estimate him a little higher than I do but there’s a lot of logic in what you say. I don’t think he could keep wilder at bay but he’d give him plenty of problems, as he would AJ too. If he’d thrown more shots v Parker he had the beating of him

walshb

squinn2912 wrote: »

You think? At 23 I think that’s a bit pessimistic. He gave as good as he got against Parker. If Tyson becomes more relevant then so will he

I see your point. I just can’t see anything with him to let me be any way positive on his future elite potential..

Some of the names rated at HW ahead of him are very ordinary. The division has the elites and then a crop of very average talents. Hughie, so far has not even cracked this lot..

He fought desperately negative vs. Parker, and he lost...

Ok, he is probably every bit as good as some of these names rated ahead of him. But look at these names...

yourdeadwright

squinn2912 wrote: »

You think? At 23 I think that’s a bit pessimistic. He gave as good as he got against Parker. If Tyson becomes more relevant then so will he

Not sure if that would be the case . Himself and Tyson don't speak , so I can't see him being on an under card or anything like that ,

nacho libre

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Not sure if that would be the case . Himself and Tyson don't speak , so I can't see him being on an under card or anything like that ,

Is this anything to do with his father not training Tyson anymore?

yourdeadwright

nacho libre wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Not sure if that would be the case . Himself and Tyson don't speak , so I can't see him being on an under card or anything like that ,

Is this anything to do with his father not training Tyson anymore?

I'm not sure,  Tyson had said he never had a falling out with Peter and needed a change to get motivated, and has always thanked Peter for everything and said he is forever grateful to hi
It could very well be had an argument with Hughy and felt it made working with Peter more difficult again that's speculation as know one has ever said exactly what the issue is

dougm1970

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I'm not sure,  Tyson had said he never had a falling out with Peter and needed a change to get motivated, and has always thanked Peter for everything and said he is forever grateful to hi
It could very well be had an argument with Hughy and felt it made working with Peter more difficult again that's speculation as know one has ever said exactly what the issue is

i was expecting tyson to be in the crowd at the sexton fight...its the sort of thing he would never have missed before

squinn2912

We'll not hear exactly what happened for some time. Family fall out - it a common one. I'm not sure it's served to do Hughie any good really, I think they were better off together. Tyson always talked about vacating one belt for Hughie to go for. In another world the blockbuster fight would have been him and Wilder and he would have won. Hughie keeping up his end of the deal is less straight forward. Will be interesting to see how Tyson goes in a couple of weeks without Peter.

yourdeadwright

squinn2912 wrote: »

We'll not hear exactly what happened for some time. Family fall out - it a common one. I'm not sure it's served to do Hughie any good really, I think they were better off together. Tyson always talked about vacating one belt for Hughie to go for. In another world the blockbuster fight would have been him and Wilder and he would have won. Hughie keeping up his end of the deal is less straight forward. Will be interesting to see how Tyson goes in a couple of weeks without Peter.

I think Peter was huge for Tyson , I think it will be a big big miss for him not being there,
Peter knows the sport inside out

squinn2912

I agree. The style he has developed for both Tyson and Hughie suits both of them down to the ground and right back up again. A problem could be that Tyson thinks he knows it all already but he's a much more clever person than he lets on as well. I could see a reconciliation at some point when things get serious. If not, then there are other top trainers out there who would be happy to take him on!

Sebastian Dangerfield

Has Tyson got an opponent yet? I read something about an albanian crusierweight but nothing confirmed that I can see

walshb

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Has Tyson got an opponent yet? I read something about an albanian crusierweight but nothing confirmed that I can see

I saw something online that looked similar. BoxNation do not have their schedule updated with Fury on it....

squinn2912

Anything could happen there. They aren’t pushing it too hard if they do have an opponent

dougm1970

and then shannon briggs in a couple of months ?

squinn2912

June 9 needs to happen first

nacho libre

Tyson said he wants to fight three to four times before the year is out. I tried to get it out of Frank Warren just who Tyson's comeback oponent is, but the fecker would not tell me

weemcd

Fury needs Peter in my opinion, he keeps him in check. Proof of this is when Tyson went to fight Cunningham in the US. Tyson was acting the clown in the corner - "I can do datt" in a stupid fake accent and got put on his ass. Now he won, but he shouldn't be getting knocked down by an opponent so much smaller.

This would cost him against a dangerous opponent.

Ultimate Seduction

He's in some shape anyway fair play to him

walshb

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

He's in some shape anyway fair play to him

Any shape next to the left image would be amazing!

selectamatic

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

He's in some shape anyway fair play to him

As professional boxers go that isn't even close to some shape.

Now I wouldn't care if the man or indeed any man looked like the next butterbean as they walked to the ring as long as they were exciting to watch.

But overly praising fury for getting to a normal looking physique is just yet another example of over the top praise fury gets from some boxing fans.

That said fair play to him for getting back to a healthy lifestyle.

yourdeadwright

selectamatic wrote: »

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

He's in some shape anyway fair play to him

As professional boxers go that isn't even close to some shape.

Now I wouldn't care if the man or indeed any man looked like the next butterbean as they walked to the ring as long as they were exciting to watch.

But overly praising fury for getting to a normal looking physique is just yet another example of over the top praise fury gets from some boxing fans.

That said fair play to him for getting back to a healthy lifestyle.

He knows himself he still has a long way to go but  he'll get better as the year goes on
A few fight camps under his belt and he'll be back looking like a pro athlete,
I think the praise has more to do with where he has came from not what he actually looks like now ,
To be fair a lot of the heavy weight division look like crap ,

Ultimate Seduction

selectamatic wrote: »

As professional boxers go that isn't even close to some shape.

Now I wouldn't care if the man or indeed any man looked like the next butterbean as they walked to the ring as long as they were exciting to watch.

But overly praising fury for getting to a normal looking physique is just yet another example of over the top praise fury gets from some boxing fans.

That said fair play to him for getting back to a healthy lifestyle.

That's all I meant, some shape compared to a few months ago. Tyson's never been ripped even when on the testicle meat

squinn2912

Two reasons that fury gets praise.
1 he overcame mental illness and obesity
2 he did what no one did in 11 years and beat Wlad fair and square.
Nothing over the top. It’s when the compressions, which are a natural thing to make, get going between him and AJ that we all become entrenched. They both did brilliantly in very different ways.

walshb

squinn2912 wrote: »

Two reasons that fury gets praise.
1 he overcame mental illness and obesity
2 he did what no one did in 11 years and beat Wlad fair and square.
Nothing over the top. It’s when the compressions, which are a natural thing to make, get going between him and AJ that we all become entrenched. They both did brilliantly in very different ways.

I am not buying into this mental illness thing with him...

Sometimes it can be a very convenient illness to have to explain bad behavior.

I said it.

It's mad, years ago mental illness and depression weren't spoken about, and now and recently you can't fooking shut people up about it...

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

Two reasons that fury gets praise.
1 he overcame mental illness and obesity
2 he did what no one did in 11 years and beat Wlad fair and square.
Nothing over the top. It’s when the compressions, which are a natural thing to make, get going between him and AJ that we all become entrenched. They both did brilliantly in very different ways.

I am not buying into this mental illness thing with him...

Sometimes it can be a very convenient illness to have to explain bad behavior.

I said it.

It's mad, years ago mental illness and depression weren't spoken about, and now and recently you can't fooking shut people up about it...

I think your very silly to dismiss mental illness,
How is that a bad thing that people talk about it now , What do you want another McCall incident , Mental illness is very real and its a great thing that people now speak about it ,
Its obvious for a long time Tyson had mental issues,
He's said many times even when the going was good , infact even when he was world champion that some days he's the happiest man on earth and some days he wants to die, That a man with a mental illness,
His family (wife,Father, Uncle) have lal on many occasion said he was mentally ill ,

selectamatic

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

That's all I meant, some shape compared to a few months ago. Tyson's never been ripped even when on the testicle meat

Ah right fair enough.

Ay never ripped or anything but he was in good shape vs wlad.

Abs pretty visable and feck all excess weight on board anywhere else. If he can get back to that sorta shape he'll be doing very well.

yourdeadwright

selectamatic wrote: »

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

That's all I meant, some shape compared to a few months ago. Tyson's never been ripped even when on the testicle meat

Ah right fair enough.

Ay never ripped or anything but he was in good shape vs wlad.

Abs pretty visable and feck all excess weight on board anywhere else. If he can get back to that sorta shape he'll be doing very well.

I think when he was getting ready for the first Haye fight that was cancelled. is the best shape I ever seen Fury in ,

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

Sometimes I wonder do you post sh1te for attention seeking.

I don't buy it. Not with Fury, and there are many many out there who will uses the mental illness angle to try and explain their behavior..

Is there some code I have to agree with here, that I must not query these things.....just accept and believe it all?

Instead of posting a hostile one line reply maybe debate and argue it, otherwise jog fooking on.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

I'm not sure on what the point you're trying to make? I'm undecided as to weather you're provoking a reaction or that you're genuinely ignorant. You don't buy what exactly?

You disagree with me. Get over it....if that leads you to claiming I post sh1te, away you go...

I said what I don't buy. I spelled it out in my post.

Moving on.....

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

I'm unsure as what exactly you don't buy? You haven't explicitly said what it is.

I did. Not buying into this "Fury suffered with mental illness" Let's all tip toe around it. Just couldn't help his behavior. It was all down to depression. I was in a bad place blah blah blah...

My post was in reply to someone claiming that he somehow deserves recognition/applause for his suffering mental illness...

"1 he overcame mental illness and obesity."

Praise for trimming down? Praise for overcoming mental illness? Mental illness that just happened to crop up after a cocaine bust!

I don't buy into that belief....people need to wake up....

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

I'm unsure as what exactly you don't buy? You haven't explicitly said what it is.

And if you were unsure what I meant, why the "initial" one liner from you that was obviously slating-provoking? Why not ask me to explain, instead of posting what you did?

Too Tough To Die

walshb wrote: »

I did. Not buying into this "Fury suffered with mental illness" Let's all tip toe around it. Just couldn't help his behavior. It was all down to depression. I was in a bad place blah blah blah...

My post was in reply to someone claiming that he somehow deserves recognition/applause for his suffering mental illness...

"1 he overcame mental illness and obesity."

Praise for trimming down? Praise for overcoming mental illness? Mental illness that just happened to crop up after a cocaine bust!

I don't buy into that belief....people need to wake up....

He's been talking about his mental health issues long before his 'cocaine bust'.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/nov/05/tyson-fury-interview

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

pac_man wrote: »

Sometimes I wonder do you post sh1te for attention seeking.

I don't buy it. Not with Fury, and there are many many out there who will uses the mental illness angle to try and explain their behavior..

Is there some code I have to agree with here, that I must not query these things.....just accept and believe it all?

Instead of posting a hostile one line reply maybe debate and argue it, otherwise jog fooking on.

I think people just think you looking for attention as its bene long documented that he has had mental problems,
As many have pointed out even when he was world champion its been mentioned it,
Watch the gloves are off type interview in the build up to the Wlad rematch that never took place, He clearly has mental issues,

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I think people just think you looking for attention as its bene long documented that he has had mental problems,
As many have pointed out even when he was world champion its been mentioned it,
Watch the gloves are off type interview in the build up to the Wlad rematch that never took place, He clearly has mental issues,

I don't give a fook if it's been documented...

I simply said I don't buy it with Fury.....that's all.

Nothing to do with seeking attention.....you disagree, fair enough. I wouldn't fall out with you over it

But to call someone attention seeking or a sh1te talker because they disagree on ONE thing with you is a sign of a pr1ck to me.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

Purely down to this insensitive post.



People with mental health issues do irrational things. Trying to have a debate with you on Fury is also irrational as your dislike towards Fury seems to overshadow and be the basis for most points you make about him.

I don't dislike him ,and regardless, it has nothing to do with my view on this issue..

What makes you think I dislike him? My thinking that he gets knocked out by AJ and Wilder? My not being very much impressed with his Wlad performance?

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

It's pretty evident from your posts that you don't like him. What would Tyson need to do in order for you to "buy into" the idea that he had/has mental health issues?

Do?

Nothing....I am just not ready to believe it with him......

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

It's pretty evident from your posts that you don't like him.

Pretty evident?

Well, let me play your trick.....please spell it out or point it out where it is pretty evident that I dislike him, the person?

You make it sound like we here know the man.....Oh, I like him. He's sound....no, I don't like him, he's a bit of a pr1ck. Nonsense.

Ultimate Seduction

pac_man wrote: »

It's pretty evident from your posts that you don't like him. What would Tyson need to do in order for you to "buy into" the idea that he had/has mental health issues?

It all comes down to Fury's lack of power I'd say

megadodge

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

It all comes down to Fury's lack of power I'd say

Best post in the thread.