Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

C__MC

Always_Running wrote: »

Mayo in fairness weren't in control of that game until the 2nd goal was scored in the 65 minute and that was a lucky goal as I think Evan Regan slipped as he was about to shoot and it fell nicely to Conor O Shea.

10 mins played Mayo 0-2 Tipperary 0-2

25 mins played Mayo 0-3 Tipperary 0-6


55 mins Mayo 1-12 Tipperary 0-12


This time Mayo could well be in control and win at a canter as i think Tipp are one of those teams that put too much into the league and are already burnt out.

I respect your opinion but you never felt tipp had the belief and weapons to win it that day, it was more a case of playing the occasion. Mayo always had them at arms length I felt

naughto

Stoner wrote: »

I still think that in a final or semi final Mayo would beat Galway.

If they where to play us next week they would beat us again but the closer we get to playing in Crocker the harder we will be to beat

Stoner

naughto wrote:

If they where to play us next week they would beat us again but the closer we get to playing in Crocker the harder we will be to beat

That would be my opinion too,a different animal the later it gets.

The last Kerry team were a bit like that too. Cork would beat them but they would return the favor later on

seligehgit

C__MC wrote: »

I respect your opinion but you never felt tipp had the belief and weapons to win it that day, it was more a case of playing the occasion. Mayo always had them at arms length I felt

Not so sure about that,there were periods in the second half pre our fortuitous second goal we were looking decidedly nervous.

Fr Tod Umptious

kilns wrote: »

Best team in the qualifier based on reaching the AI Final last year yes but what do you base playing better than last year on? You had a poor league and have lost to Galway again and have lost one of your most important players for the season.  The only highlight so far is beating arguably the worst team in Ireland.  It is quite arrogant to suggest that Tipp are no way near Mayo.

Tipp beat Cork by the skin of their teeth in 2016

They then lost to Kerry

They then won a qualifier v Derry, by a point

They beat a Galway team that cannot buy a championship win in Croke Park.

Then they were not embarrassed in an All Ireland SF

In 2017 Tipp lost a game that they should have won to Cork , beat Cavan and then lost to Armagh.

And this year they beat Waterford and got hammered by Cork

In the meantime Mayo lost twice to Galway (early) and Dublin (late) and beat Fermanagh, Kildare, Westmeath, Tyrone, Tipp, Derry, Clare, Cork, Roscommon and Kerry, they also drew with Dublin, Roscommon and Kerry.

Tipp are living on the reputation of beating Cork and Galway two season ago

Mayo are living on the reputation of consistently going deep in the championship since 2011.

It's not arrogance, it's reality, Tipp are nowhere near Mayo.

Hulk Hands

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Tricky draw but definitely a winnable one for Mayo. Tipp are a decent side and Quinlivan & Sweeney are top class forwards. However, I'd fancy Mayo to beat them.

I'd imagine a lot of Mayo fans may not have had much opportunity to go to Thurles down through the years as well so that should be a nice experience - great atmosphere in that town for a match (for hurling anyway).

First timers should definitely be excited about going to Thurles. It's no state of the art stadium granted but it's still Mecca of sorts, no GAA season really feels complete without a visit

Hulk Hands

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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It's not arrogance, it's reality, Tipp are nowhere near Mayo.

Apart from Tipp being one ahead on the roll of honour???


Joking...

seligehgit

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km79

Maurice Deegan is the ref ..........be grand as we are the team with the higher profile players for him to schmooze

charlie14

km79 wrote: »

Maurice Deegan is the ref ..........be grand as we are the team with the higher profile players for him to schmooze

He has always struck me as a ref that carries two notebooks.
One to book the lesser lights in, the other to get big name`s autographs.

seligehgit

Love Rochy's honesty in interviews,always calls a spade a spade.

Update on the walking wounded.

Donie Vaughan has a groin injury but should be an option for the Tipp game.

Brendan Harrison's knee injury will be assessed at the month's end.

Barry Moran has a recurrence of an old achilles injury but likely to be available for the Tipp game.

Paddico

C__MC wrote: »

Always_Running wrote: »

Mayo in fairness weren't in control of that game until the 2nd goal was scored in the 65 minute and that was a lucky goal as I think Evan Regan slipped as he was about to shoot and it fell nicely to Conor O Shea.

10 mins played Mayo 0-2 Tipperary 0-2

25 mins played Mayo 0-3 Tipperary 0-6


55 mins  Mayo 1-12 Tipperary 0-12


This time Mayo could well be in control and win at a canter as i think Tipp are one of those teams that put too much into the league and are already burnt out.

I respect your opinion but you never felt tipp had the belief and weapons to win it that day, it was more a case of playing the occasion. Mayo always had them at arms length I felt

Tipp did have centre back Robbie Kiely black carded early in the first half. Things may have been different but I still think we wouldnt have won.
Someone mentioned above that Tipp have peaked for the league. After the Cork thrashing I fear they could be right.

charlie14

Paddico wrote: »

Tipp did have centre back Robbie Kiely black carded early in the first half. Things may have been different but I still think we wouldnt have won.
Someone mentioned above that Tipp have peaked for the league. After the Cork thrashing I fear they could be right.

Tipp very well may have peaked for the league, but as too their championship form, is not a lot of the speculation based on their performance against Cork and we do not know if Cork were particularly good or Tipp just poor ?


In truth though I cannot see them beating Mayo, and whereas you would say a home game is worth a few points to the home side, like Limerick being a dual county with hurling their main focus they will have little home support.
The one imo that could have been a banana skin for Mayo from this draw was Monaghan.

SomethingElse

Anyone else's season ticket scans not gone through yet?

jj72

SomethingElse wrote: »

Anyone else's season ticket scans not gone through yet?

Mine went through Monday lunchtime

PARlance

seligehgit wrote: »

Love Rochy's honesty in interviews,always calls a spade a spade.

Update on the walking wounded.

Donie Vaughan has a groin injury but should be an option for the Tipp game.

Brendan Harrison's knee injury will be assessed at the month's end.

Barry Moran has a recurrence of an old achilles injury but likely to be available for the Tipp game.

We're not going for Rochy are we Seligey?

I think Tipp 2016 was the last time Barry Moran played Championship. Maybe he's being reserved for Tipp.

PARlance

Always_Running wrote: »

Mayo in fairness weren't in control of that game until the 2nd goal was scored in the 65 minute and that was a lucky goal as I think Evan Regan slipped as he was about to shoot and it fell nicely to Conor O Shea.

10 mins played Mayo 0-2 Tipperary 0-2

25 mins played Mayo 0-3 Tipperary 0-6


55 mins Mayo 1-12 Tipperary 0-12


This time Mayo could well be in control and win at a canter as i think Tipp are one of those teams that put too much into the league and are already burnt out.

Mayo went in 6 points ahead at HT, which would be a key time when looking at a match. We steamrolled them for the last 10 mins of the first half after a fairly poor start. They did stage a comeback, we wouldn't have it any other way. But as being a Mayo fan goes, it was probably a game where we had the majority of our nails left, which isn't all that common for an AI SF.

PARlance

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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Tipp beat Cork by the skin of their teeth in 2016

They then lost to Kerry

They then won a qualifier v Derry, by a point

They beat a Galway team that cannot buy a championship win in Croke Park.

Then they were not embarrassed in an All Ireland SF

In 2017 Tipp lost a game that they should have won to Cork , beat Cavan and then lost to Armagh.

And this year they beat Waterford and got hammered by Cork

In the meantime Mayo lost twice to Galway (early) and Dublin (late) and beat Fermanagh, Kildare, Westmeath, Tyrone, Tipp, Derry, Clare, Cork, Roscommon and Kerry, they also drew with Dublin, Roscommon and Kerry.

Tipp are living on the reputation of beating Cork and Galway two season ago

Mayo are living on the reputation of consistently going deep in the championship since 2011.

It's not arrogance, it's reality, Tipp are nowhere near Mayo.

To be fair, the loss of Quinlivan early in the Cork game probably had a massive impact on that game and their season last year.

Beating Derry by a point seems to be put up in a negative light, sure we couldn't manage that ourselves last year, in normal time.

It's hard to quantify "nowhere near" but there are players that I would fear playing for Tipp. Their style probably suits us though and it would be a game that we should be expecting to win.

jammer84

SomethingElse wrote: »

Anyone else's season ticket scans not gone through yet?

Ours was gone through on Monday

Mountjoy Mugger

GRMA not accepting the attendance for some reason. Updated on seasontickets.

jr86

PARlance wrote: »

Mayo went in 6 points ahead at HT, which would be a key time when looking at a match. We steamrolled them for the last 10 mins of the first half after a fairly poor start. They did stage a comeback, we wouldn't have it any other way. But as being a Mayo fan goes, it was probably a game where we had the majority of our nails left, which isn't all that common for an AI SF.

Yep, sums it up perfectly for me

I was never in any doubt throughout, which of course is complete alien territory in a semi

We were a bit flat that day, I'm not sure was it the fact it was "only Tipp", the fact we had a hard fought win against Tyrone just under our belts or that we were just poor on the day. maybe a mixture of all 3. But I was never really in doubt

jr86

PARlance wrote: »

To be fair, the loss of Quinlivan early in the Cork game probably had a massive impact on that game and their season last year.

Beating Derry by a point seems to be put up in a negative light, sure we couldn't manage that ourselves last year, in normal time.

It's hard to quantify "nowhere near" but there are players that I would fear playing for Tipp. Their style probably suits us though and it would be a game that we should be expecting to win.

In fairness the win against Cavan last year was a bloody good one too. Up in their own patch and they had just played D1 football during the Spring

As you say though, I do think Tipp are a good match up for us, but anything like any of our previous flat performances in the back door and it could get nervy.

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with regard to the Cork game this year to be fair. These things happen

kupus

More I think of this, the more I think that if Tipp are really up for it they could win.
First thing, target COC and DOC. They are hot headed, a man down is a man less to worry about.
For the record I hate sledging and I hate off the ball play, everybody has work to go to the next day, but for some teams and individuals it is a part of their game.
Bypass midfield, with long kick passing, take SOS and AOS out of it, tire them out and let them chase shadows all day long, a tired mind makes mistakes, one as simple as AOS taking on a 69th min 50 yard hail mary when an option would be to get it to Andy, (if Andy is even playing at that stage of the match)
Keep mayo backs on the back foot and makes sure that they stay there and not marauding up and taking scores.

This is going to be a cracker of a game and I hope it deletes the memory of the crapfest that was the Galway game.

So how to beat Tipp?

km79

kupus wrote: »

More I think of this, the more I think that if Tipp are really up for it they could win.
First thing, target COC and DOC. They are hot headed, a man down is a man less to worry about.
For the record I hate sledging and I hate off the ball play, everybody has work to go to the next day, but for some teams and individuals it is a part of their game.
Bypass midfield, with long kick passing, take SOS and AOS out of it, tire them out and let them chase shadows all day long, a tired mind makes mistakes, one as simple as AOS taking on a 69th min 50 yard hail mary when an option would be to get it to Andy, (if Andy is even playing at that stage of the match)
Keep mayo backs on the back foot and makes sure that they stay there and not marauding up and taking scores.

This is going to be a cracker of a game and I hope it deletes the memory of the crapfest that was the Galway game.

So how to beat Tipp?

By playing well
We have been the second best team in the country for best part of a decade now for a reason
Majority of teams bar Dublin have failed to do to mayo what you have outlined above for a reason

jj72

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

GRMA not accepting the attendance for some reason. Updated on seasontickets.

Same issue here...Did you contact them? They generally respond quickly...in GAA terms

kupus

^What Mayo is going to show up? the Mayo that can blow away any team barr Dublin or the mayo we saw in Derry, Cork 1st rossie game.

I don't need the heart problems these days!

PARlance

kupus wrote: »

So how to beat Tipp?

The million dollar question... or not

Tipp won't play an ultra defensive game! They'll leave 2,3,4 forwards up at times, they're dangerous but it should leave a fairly open game. Our strength is running and the game will be set up for that.

It's certainly not a game I would take lightly, they have quality players that can hurt teams when on form and a manager who knows a thing or two. I won't be looking too much into recent poor form. It's proper championship football again.

Doctors room ghost

km79 wrote: »

By playing well
We have been the second best team in the country for best part of a decade now for a reason
Majority of teams bar Dublin have failed to do to mayo what you have outlined above for a reason

Can someone not on his world famous ignore list ask him if mayo are the second best county for the past decade why were so many afraid of getting Tyrone or Monaghan in the draws.
I expect the usual go to mayo response though.mayo don’t focus on the league,Galway can’t win in Dublin,mayo have been in this number of finals,dublin Gaa is corrupt with money thrown at it etc etc.

jr86

PARlance wrote: »

The million dollar question... or not

Tipp won't play an ultra defensive game! They'll leave 2,3,4 forwards up at times, they're dangerous but it should leave a fairly open game. Our strength is running and the game will be set up for that.

It's certainly not a game I would take lightly, they have quality players that can hurt teams when on form and a manager who knows a thing or two. I won't be looking too much into recent poor form. It's proper championship football again.

Think it could be like the Westmeath game in 2016 and Clare last year (two open attacking games), where we'll probably hit enough purple patches where we build up decent leads throughout, but never quite have them fully at arms length.

If Clare (first half) and Westmeath (last ten minutes) did score goals, they could well have been fatal. So I certainly wouldn't take this lightly, I do think Tipp are a step up from that and could punish us if we give them the opportunity.

But we should win by 4 or 5 I'd say

muddle84

kupus wrote: »

More I think of this, the more I think that if Tipp are really up for it they could win.  
First thing, target COC and DOC.  They are hot headed, a man down is a man less to worry about.  
For  the record I hate sledging and I hate off the ball play, everybody has work to go to the next day, but for some teams and individuals it is a part of their game.
Bypass midfield, with long kick passing, take SOS and AOS out of it, tire them out and let them chase shadows all day long, a tired mind makes mistakes, one as simple as AOS taking on a 69th min 50 yard hail mary when an option would be to get it to Andy, (if Andy is even playing at that stage of the match)
Keep mayo backs on the back foot and makes sure that they stay there and not marauding up and taking scores.

This is going to be a cracker of a game and I hope it deletes the memory of the crapfest that was the Galway game.

So how to beat Tipp?

You make it sound so easy!!. If it is that easy why is Galway and Dublin the only team that has actually bet them in champo in the last 4 years? Not saying it won't happen by the way. But hard to see it happen