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Tailgating and Undertaking on Motorways

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    #1082
    Night Falls
    Subscribers Posts: 171 ✭✭Night Falls


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Seriously, you haven't a clue mate.:confused:

    When the bus lane is not in use for regular traffic...its...wait for it....not a regular traffic lane!

    Hence, the bus is not overtaking illegally, its on an entirely separate carriageway.

    To be fair I'm not sure that was what he was saying. When a bus lane is not in operation (i.e. it's a bus lane only between, say, 07:00 - 19:00 rather than a 24 hour bus lane) it is a regular lane of traffic and the usual rules around "undertaking" should apply. Whether those rules in practice are actually applied or not is a different question, but that could be argued of any number of different issues and still doesn't make it right.

    Edit, this is assuming that traffic in the normal lane is free-flowing.


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    #1083
    GM228
    Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭GM228


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Hence, the bus is not overtaking illegally, its on an entirely separate carriageway.

    Bus lanes are not separate carriageways, they are just seperate lanes.

    Also to note is that the rules for overtaking do not depend on there being separate lanes or carriageways.


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    #1084
    Sean Kinvarra
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Sean Kinvarra


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Sean Kinvarra wrote: »
    Buses overtake on left when lane not in use every day on every road in Dublin. Have you ever come across a bus being pulled in for this?

    Seriously, you haven't a clue mate.:confused:

    When the bus lane is not in use for regular traffic...its...wait for it....not a regular traffic lane!

    Hence, the bus is not overtaking illegally, its on an entirely separate carriageway.
    No its not a separate carriageway. When its not in use it becomes an extra lane for all traffic. You certainly don't drive if you think it's a seperate carraigeway.


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    #1085
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,121 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Sean Kinvarra wrote: »
    No its not a separate carriageway. When its not in use it becomes an extra lane for all traffic. You certainly don't drive if you think it's a seperate carraigeway.

    When its in use its effectively a separate carriage, regular traffic is not allowed to use it, hence buses etc are not overtaking.


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    #1086
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    wow, are you still feeding him?


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    #1087
    Sean Kinvarra
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Sean Kinvarra


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Sean Kinvarra wrote: »
    No its not a separate carriageway. When its not in use it becomes an extra lane for all traffic. You certainly don't drive if you think it's a seperate carraigeway.

    When its in use its effectively a separate carriage, regular traffic is not allowed to use it, hence buses etc are not overtaking.
    I said "WHEN IT'S NOT IN USE" . Don't be trying to get out of this one. I suppose you'll say most of Thomas St is a triple carraigeway.


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    #1088
    Sean Kinvarra
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Sean Kinvarra


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Sean Kinvarra wrote: »
    No its not a separate carriageway. When its not in use it becomes an extra lane for all traffic. You certainly don't drive if you think it's a seperate carraigeway.

    When its in use its effectively a separate carriage, regular traffic is not allowed to use it, hence buses etc are not overtaking.
    What about the Long Mile Rd, I suppose you'll tell us that's a quadruple carraigeway? Think your best before date has long gone!


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    #1089
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,121 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Isambard wrote: »
    wow, are you still feeding him?

    Some people also feed pigeons! :o


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    #1090
    Sean Kinvarra
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Sean Kinvarra


    Isambard wrote: »
    wow, are you still feeding him?
    Yes, peanuts!


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    #1091
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    GreeBo wrote: »
    When its in use its effectively a separate carriage, regular traffic is not allowed to use it, hence buses etc are not overtaking.

    No it isn't. It's just a lane I'm not permitted to use within it's allocated times.


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    #1092
    Sean Kinvarra
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Sean Kinvarra


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    Irish Steve wrote: »
    The simplest solution would be to use the same concept as the Americans do, I don't read regularly of mega crashes on their freeways, and they take the line of least resistance, pass on either side if there's a vehicle moving slowly. At least if it was official. people should be prepared for changes either side of them.
    +1
    Not just the US, same operates here in NZ on multi lane roads, though there is a general keep left rule as well.
    You don't have to go that far away. That rule applies to the whole of the UK. Also Poland. Hungary, Germany.


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    #1093
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Listening to AA traffic reports in the past few days, I've noted a number of motorway accidents - all in the right lane. That ought to help people join the dots.


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    #1094
    Sean Kinvarra
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Sean Kinvarra


    First Up wrote: »
    Listening to AA traffic reports in the past few days, I've noted a number of motorway accidents - all in the right lane. That ought to help people join the dots.
    Have to laugh at some of the commenters on here. They say its legal and safe to drive alongside a hogger on your right, But its illegal and dangerous to move a few mtrs ahead where the hogger wouldl have a clear view of you.


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    #1095
    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,764 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    First Up wrote: »
    Listening to AA traffic reports in the past few days, I've noted a number of motorway accidents - all in the right lane. That ought to help people join the dots.

    There was a young fella driving a 2005 corolla on the m7 yesterday, driving in the overtaking lane and s few miles on he was in the driving lane doing 30kph while he was eating a sandwich :rolleyes:


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    #1096
    Sean Kinvarra
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Sean Kinvarra


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    First Up wrote: »
    Listening to AA traffic reports in the past few days, I've noted a number of motorway accidents - all in the right lane. That ought to help people join the dots.

    There was a young fella driving a 2005 corolla on the m7 yesterday, driving in the overtaking lane and s few miles on he was in the driving lane doing 30kph while he was eating a sandwich :rolleyes:
    The traffic must have been "very very slow moving"


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    #1097
    Sean Kinvarra
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Sean Kinvarra


    Sean Kinvarra wrote: »
    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    Irish Steve wrote: »
    The simplest solution would be to use the same concept as the Americans do, I don't read regularly of mega crashes on their freeways, and they take the line of least resistance, pass on either side if there's a vehicle moving slowly. At least if it was official. people should be prepared for changes either side of them.
    +1
    Not just the US, same operates here in NZ on multi lane roads, though there is a general keep left rule as well.
    You don't have to go that far away. That rule applies to the whole of the UK. Also Poland. Hungary, Germany.
    ...also Switzerland!


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    #1098
    Sean Kinvarra
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Sean Kinvarra


    Sean Kinvarra wrote: »
    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    Irish Steve wrote: »
    The simplest solution would be to use the same concept as the Americans do, I don't read regularly of mega crashes on their freeways, and they take the line of least resistance, pass on either side if there's a vehicle moving slowly. At least if it was official. people should be prepared for changes either side of them.
    +1
    Not just the US, same operates here in NZ on multi lane roads, though there is a general keep left rule as well.
    You don't have to go that far away. That rule applies to the whole of the UK. Also Poland. Hungary, Germany.
    ...also Switzerland!


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