BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122837999#Comment_122837999

Lack of buses and most importantly lack of drivers to do so.

Daith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122837999#Comment_122837999

Tbf, we don't know the reason for this delay yet. Bus Drivers and availability are another thing. The 19 is definitely stopping at Parnell St to allow bus drivers to change there also. Requiring the 19/11 to continue the route and back to Parnell St wouldn't be great.

The 19 is running more frequently than the 11 and will serve more people than the ones who be can't/won't transfer to the E spine or Luas.

trellheim

In all fairness the NTA can't communicate and has no idea of reality. Planning a major route change in the middle of a GE campaign ( and yes, I'm broadly aware that the GE date was only fixed last week , but its a dogs-in-the-streets knew it would be in November ) is an exemplar for poor awareness. And it was only in order to say "we did phase 6a in 2024" .

The consultation - such as it was - was several years back - and now the changes are happening ? No connection from cause to effect , all seems random. Did anyone from NTA go on the ground to do PR for these changes - I was on a crowded 46a from town last night and there was no publicity anywhere.

And if the reason for delay is that a provider can't provide the service e.g GAI or DB, then that's why you delay your launch until its all solid. Didn't we already delay for this reason ? That means the NTA can't operate as well as can't communicate.

Daith

It's very hard for the NTA to "go on the ground". Maybe they should, but ask any politician how hard that is .

I do agree there should be better ways. Some consultations on the F spine were only happening during the day or just very irregular.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122838002#Comment_122838002

Let’s be grown up about this rather than throwing mud.

The 19 needs to be extended a short distance to the likes of Earlsfort Terrace with the current planned frequency levels.

That frankly will solve most of the complaints and means a decent airport frequency too.

thomasj

Confirmation from TFI

https://www.transportforireland.ie/getting-around/by-bus/phase-6a-e-spine-coming-soon/

jd

The following was sent by NTA to Public Reps:
Dear Public Representative We are emailing you to let you know that Phase 6A of the new bus network for Dublin under BusConnects, which was intended to be implemented on 8th December, will now be deferred until January of next year. We believe that the short-term disruption that the changes would involve for some customers would be an unwelcome complication in the run-up to Christmas. The rescheduling of Phase 6A will free up resources, allowing additional bus services, including additional night services, to operate over the Christmas period. This will contribute to the city centre promotional campaign planned by Dublin City Council and businesses, and will support the retail and hospitality sector in the city and suburbs during the busy December period. NTA

DUBLINBUSGUY

Perhaps we'll see another return of the 40N for the Christmas period. Speaking of which, the Christmas period of Nitelinks operating on Thursday nights etc. is imminently upon us so hopefully TFI/Dublin Bus release the details of Christmas Nitelinks etc. ASAP.

p_haugh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122838379#Comment_122838379

Theoretically, they could also make the 155 (effectively the E1) operate 24 hours over the Christmas period as a stopgap measure, but realistically they won't change anything till the launch in January.

stephenjmcd

Now you've got tools like Gavin Pepper using this to claim a great victory etc

TFI need to have January as the very last delay to this phase

thomasj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122838413#Comment_122838413

Time will tell, but this problem wont go away in January as it is .

Daith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122838255#Comment_122838255

How am I throwing mud? I said that some people would prefer a direct service as better service even if it's slower? And that's your actual proposal . Make the 19 a direct service to the Southside.

If you can make the 19 go to the Southside, great, but there are absolutely residents in Glasnevin/Drumcondra who would push for a slower/less frequent service like the 11 as long as it suited them

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122838435#Comment_122838435

Well you seemed to be implying that the 19 frequency should reduce to that of the 11?

It sounded to me like you were saying that as a punishment to people complaining!

Perhaps I misinterpreted you?

Daith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122838448#Comment_122838448

That's not what throwing mud means though?

And how is it a punishment to the people complaining when the people complaining are actively campaigning to keep the 11 route as is? It's what they want!

Daith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122838416#Comment_122838416

It certainly won't. Perhaps it was a mistake to launch this in December regardless of an election, but it'll be perceived as a "win" even if the NTA aren't mentioning the 11/19 issue.

If they do extend it, then you've got a fairly good template for any other route issue, say the O route not going direct to OCS now

To think how easy the NTA had it telling people on the 40 to get off at O'Connell Bridge and wander down to the quays to transfer to the G route. Now you can't get people turning a corner to the Luas.

coylemj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122838343#Comment_122838343

How spineless can they get?

Horror of horrors, we just realised that Christmas falls in December so we're kicking Phase 6A into January.

Nothing to do with the election - whatever gave you that idea?

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122838497#Comment_122838497

I’m trying to look at this from the perspective of what is the best solution - that will involve compromise from everyone.

You’re never going to satisfy those people entirely, but the suggestion that I made regarding the 19 would keep the vast majority of people happy I believe, while at the same time deliver a decent airport service for the locals.

halfpastneverr

I give up! about a decade of endless public consultations for nothing when this is allowed happen at the last minute, just like the quays priority. If they managed to get this delayed and watered down, there is no hope for the future changes especially when the greens are gone out of government, which they probably will be due to the thicko vote.

Absolutely disgraceful, but not surprising. Good luck building a metro, if we can't even re-route a few bus services without political and NIMBY interference.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122838413#Comment_122838413

There have been about 10 different start dates now for the E Spine phase.

Daith

Tbh, if you're going to change a route so that people no longer have to transfer to a different service , it doesn't bode well for the connect part of BusConnects.

Future routes that have an expectation that you should transfer to the Luas or Dart or another bus are going to be in trouble if there's enough outrage now.

cantthinkofausername1

The new scrolls for the upcoming E-Spine phase routes are already on the buses, despite it being delayed till January, here's a link of a Facebook post below of GT88 showing the 11b and 19 scroll

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15MK28jkzc/

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122838052#Comment_122838052

Why does the argument over the 11/19 delay the E spine?

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122841041#Comment_122841041

It would delay it because the changes are all interlinked - the 11 is going to replace the current northside part of the 46a.

TranslatorPS

Not to mention the intended bills, which are all heavily interlinked in DB now – the working timetable for the new 11/B also includes the new 4 and there's hardly much point in reworking entire bills for such "tweaks".

The disappointment is real over the starting date change, in any case.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122840232#Comment_122840232

To be honest there is still going to be plenty of people changing all over the city. Much of it has already happened with the introduction of the new orbital routes.

There are only a small number routes where they plan to stop radials short of the city centre, which I class as around O’Connell Bridge, as that’s where all the spines intersect, (as opposed to the CIÉ canteen in Earl Place like Dublin Bus does) rather than crossing a short distance across the city centre.

The 19 and 48 are the only two routes where this really applies.

The H Spine & 6 is the only other example, but even that terminus is a very short walk to all of the other Spine routes around O’Connell Bridge and is adjacent to the two LUAS routes.

john boye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122841792#Comment_122841792

Plus other spine launches won't usually have an election on the week before them with desperate politicians debasing themselves for votes.

dosho

Route 145 which serves Heuston Station to UCD was due to cease on the 8th December. No timetable or planned journey times available to the service users less than a month from the planned changes… Dublin Bus, TFI, NTA all unable to give the basic information on the impact of removing this direct service. For those who are using the train and have already spent an hour commuting this is vital information.

I'm all for change but when you spend 4 hours a day commuting you need to be pretty sure that the change is going to improve your commute and this is still very unclear at the moment…

lordleitrim

These delays for the E spine (if they are due to political interference) remind me of some gombeen shopkeeper down the country in a to be bypassed bottleneck village back in 2010 asking for the new motorway opening to be delayed until after Christmas so he could get a last bit of extra business before Christmas. The local TD made representations on his behalf...ignoring the 1000s of other constituents who would benefit from the motorway opening on time. Thankfully Paddy Joe's plea fell on deaf ears.

Are we really saying a few Joe Duffy whingers are the reason for E spine delay being put off until after Christmas and it's not due to staff resourcing or logistics readiness?

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122842155#Comment_122842155

2009, Crookstown Service Station on the M9 Kilcullen-Carlow scheme.

The really hard snow came down on NYE 2009 and if the M9 had been delayed opening there could have been some quite severe incidents on the old road during the freeze.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122842113#Comment_122842113

They would have released them this week were it going ahead I would have expected - that would be the norm for any timetable changes to be honest.

Anyone currently using the 145 to/from Heuston can use any of the C1, C2, C3, C4, 4 or 52 from Aston Quay, the 26 from Westmoreland St, or the Red Line LUAS from Abbey St.