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Do men bother approaching women anymore?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    Knex. wrote: »
    What? You know the way you talk to lads? Just do that.

    But if you both know that the only reason they walked up to you is because the thought on their mind there and then is "i want to put my cock inside her", how do you get over the awkwardness of that?
    Nobody thinks "wow, she has a great personality" from halfway across a room.


  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭thisistough


    Wibbs wrote: »
    We hadn't yet imported the American dating culture for a start, which has a tendency to make such things more transactional. In both hookups and even moreso in looking for actual relationships. The whole "date" thing leaves me cold, but I have been on a few and too often it felt like a bloody interview.

    Without turning this into a history lesson - how did it work before dating?


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Without turning this into a history lesson - how did it work before dating?
    Ya tended not to have several people "on the go" at once basically. The dating thing seems to just be a run-through until (for some people) someone "ticks the boxes".


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭annascott


    Seemingly gone are the days when a barman would bring over a bottle of wine/round of drinks from the gentleman in the corner...
    Slightly off topic but does Tinder work everywhere here or is it just Dublin.
    Also, is it possible to go on to Tinder and see who is there without putting my own details up?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    I wonder are there any parallels to be drawn between this and Calhoun's mouse experiments

    Population seems to be leveling off and you could argue that people have it too good as the man says. It's perfectly feasible to withdraw from social interaction almost completely in today's modern society. Be it sitting on the dole long-term or doing your 8 hours a day behind the desk while putting on the professional face. You can do your shopping online or from a machine and even though you need to pay for the food you're living better than a King in the 1700's so the modern consumerist lifestyle doesn't really represent a challenging environment for human beings.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Jim Bob Scratcher


    I wonder are there any parallels to be drawn between this and Calhoun's mouse experiments

    Population seems to be leveling off and you could argue that people have it too good as the man says. It's perfectly feasible to withdraw from social interaction almost completely in today's modern society. Be it sitting on the dole long-term or doing your 8 hours a day behind the desk while putting on the professional face. You can do your shopping online or from a machine and even though you need to pay for the food you're living better than a King in the 1700's so the modern consumerist lifestyle doesn't really represent a challenging environment for human beings.

    I think we will have to wait for sexbots


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Tinder, other dating apps etc ... also the MGTOW crowd are growing it seems.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    annascott wrote: »
    Seemingly gone are the days when a barman would bring over a bottle of wine/round of drinks from the gentleman in the corner...
    Slightly off topic but does Tinder work everywhere here or is it just Dublin.

    Always found that one extra creepy. To buy a girl a drink before you've even said hello is weird. And terrible game on his part.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭BetsyEllen


    Rekop dog wrote: »
    Always found that one extra creepy. To buy a girl a drink before you've even said hello is weird. And terrible game on his part.

    Yeah I would be a bit put off if a guy just sent a drink over. It looks extremely rude to send it back and creates an embarrassing/awkward situation.

    I'd rather a guy ask me if I'd like a drink - at least then I can say no if I want to.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    I think we will have to wait for sexbots

    If those ever come to be the population will crash through the floor altogether, and I suppose some environmentalist types will rejoyce.

    What a depressing lifestyle though. Lads would be sitting in their apartments eating bag after bag of Doritos, using some app to order a sexbot to take care of the pesky physiological needs and not seeing anyone from one day to the next.

    I think things have already gone that way in technologically advanced Japan

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    If those ever come to be the population will crash through the floor altogether, and I suppose some environmentalist types will rejoyce.

    What a depressing lifestyle though. Lads would be sitting in their apartments eating bag after bag of Doritos, using some app to order a sexbot to take care of the pesky physiological needs and not seeing anyone from one day to the next.

    I think things have already gone that way in technologically advanced Japan

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex

    I disagree. Most humans would still value a real human interaction that a robot wont be able to provide for quite a long time I would say


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Ya tended not to have several people "on the go" at once basically. The dating thing seems to just be a run-through until (for some people) someone "ticks the boxes".

    good way of putting it. "back in my day" you would pursue a girl, ask her out, it either clicked or it didn't and if it did you were bf/gf after a couple of "dates"

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Jim Bob Scratcher


    If those ever come to be the population will crash through the floor altogether, and I suppose some environmentalist types will rejoyce.

    What a depressing lifestyle though. Lads would be sitting in their apartments eating bag after bag of Doritos, using some app to order a sexbot to take care of the pesky physiological needs and not seeing anyone from one day to the next.

    I think things have already gone that way in technologically advanced Japan

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex

    Or we could still use our hands, they work well ?

    Recission sex :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    BetsyEllen wrote: »
    I would love a guy to approach me on a night out!

    The last time someone did, I was recently single and a bit down in the dumps.
    He came over and offered to buy me a drink and I politely declined.
    And it's never happened since!

    So you want a guy to approach you so that you can (politely) reject him? :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I disagree. Most humans would still value a real human interaction that a robot wont be able to provide for quite a long time I would say

    Plus, where's the romance?

    Imagine trying to tell it what to do.

    Left hand 120mm north, now south. North again.

    Be like commanding a battleship.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    annascott wrote: »
    Seemingly gone are the days when a barman would bring over a bottle of wine/round of drinks from the gentleman in the corner...
    Slightly off topic but does Tinder work everywhere here or is it just Dublin.
    Also, is it possible to go on to Tinder and see who is there without putting my own details up?

    Gone are the days of city bars with fewer than a million people rammed into them.
    The only places not like this are the trendy hipster, fedora ****ing places that don't really have the "the gentleman invites you to join him" vibe.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Jim Bob Scratcher


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    Plus, where's the romance?

    Imagine trying to tell it what to do.

    Left hand 120mm north, now south. North again.

    Be like commanding a battleship.

    The upkeep wouldn't cost as much as the real thing though, something to consider.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    Plus, where's the romance?

    Imagine trying to tell it what to do.

    Left hand 120mm north, now south. North again.

    Be like commanding a battleship.

    your math would need to be good, put a minus or a decimal point in the wrong place and its off to emergency :pac:

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I do it all the time but my wife gives me the silent treatment the rest of the night.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    I dont really approach.....but i usually end up talking shte/having a laugh when im drunk with somebodies....


    kinda just happens....tbh id not want to be interupting anyones night (alot of people get few enough of these) by approaching them....but do still end up talking shte with someone.....

    But id talk to the wall when im drunk and in the mood for it (talking that is :pac: )


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I disagree. Most humans would still value a real human interaction that a robot wont be able to provide for quite a long time I would say

    The writing's on the wall though. I don't think the robot has to be particularly good or need to exist at all. It's when people don't need to bother with those around them that they stop bothering and soon they lose the ability to bother.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    The writing's on the wall though. I don't think the robot has to be particularly good or need to exist at all. It's when people don't need to bother with those around them that they stop bothering and soon they lose the ability to bother.

    There's always been hopeless cases. But for the majority the need for human interaction/affection will always be there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 887 ✭✭✭Jobs OXO


    pilly wrote: »
    We had a coffee and a chat for about an hour, it was great.

    Did you let him give you an aul lash of his sex stick? All a bit pointless if not


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    The writing's on the wall though. I don't think the robot has to be particularly good or need to exist at all. It's when people don't need to bother with those around them that they stop bothering and soon they lose the ability to bother.

    Japan might be worth looking at unless its a unique cultural thing, there are large numbers of Japanese men in particular who have not dated or had sex by their 30's . the bargain seems to be women will date the men if the have die at their desk job like their dads and the lads are saying, fck it its not worth it and they have their weird anime sh1t to keep the going.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    bmwguy wrote: »
    I was on a night out Friday and a lady told me to F OFF when I tried to talk to her. Wasn't even trying to pull or anything. Those were the words she used.

    Seen it a million times, no idea how anyone can think that crap doesn't go on. I guess it's a bit like guys who have never groped a woman, nor have they ever witnessed it and therefore think well the incidences of it must be beng exaggerated... but that doesn't mean they're right. Well, same goes for this kind of rude crap. I think some people need to realize that just because they themselves are not like that, nor have they witnessed much of it themselves, this also doesn't mean that's it's not something that goes on. As Billy Connolly used to say: the Queen thinks the world smells like fresh paint and so she must. We can only experience our own and believe others when they recant the things they experience in theirs.

    Why do they want to create situations where men are afraid even to look at women for fear of being labeled a sexual offender?

    It's got to that stage for a lot of guys for sure.... I think it's rammed down guys throats so much these days that women want to do things in peace and they don't want some man thinking they need his validation, or just because a woman is at a bar doesn't mean she wants to meet someone etc. Guys just don't know what to be doing around girls I think, unless that is they are girls they already know in some way, a group from school or where they grew up, but beyond that I think there's a reluctance just in case the girl won't be at all interested and how they might make that known.

    A few adverts have made fun of that reluctance on the part of men such as the following which I thought was funny.




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    silverharp wrote: »
    Japan might be worth looking at unless its a unique cultural thing, there are large numbers of Japanese men in particular who have not dated or had sex by their 30's . the bargain seems to be women will date the men if the have die at their desk job like their dads and the lads are saying, fck it its not worth it and they have their weird anime sh1t to keep the going.

    Of course its a unique cultural thing? Pretty sure thats not happening anywhere outside east asia!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Of course its a unique cultural thing? Pretty sure thats not happening anywhere outside east asia!

    Gasp!


    *Slowly deflates 12 foot sex doll resembling an oriental Dame Shirley Bassey*


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Of course its a unique cultural thing? Pretty sure thats not happening anywhere outside east asia!

    it depends , it could be exaggerated there but you might see a lite version of it elsewhere or they might be ahead of the curve. Its on the back of high property prices, high cost of living and not great economic prospects.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    silverharp wrote: »
    it depends , it could be exaggerated there but you might see a lite version of it elsewhere or they might be ahead of the curve. Its on the back of high property prices, high cost of living and not great economic prospects.

    I do wonder if the apparent dampening of sexuality in progressive cultures, the blurred genitals thing in their porn and all of the stuff along those lines end up portraying something that should be instinctive and natural, as anything but.

    You couple that with the stuff you mentioned, and you can see how how hesitancy, apprehension, or a lack of desire could occur.

    I'm wildly speculating here as well. I've been known to be a ****ing moron from time to time. Will have to actually have a proper think about it some day.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    silverharp wrote: »
    Japan might be worth looking at unless its a unique cultural thing, there are large numbers of Japanese men in particular who have not dated or had sex by their 30's . the bargain seems to be women will date the men if the have die at their desk job like their dads and the lads are saying, fck it its not worth it and they have their weird anime sh1t to keep the going.

    And women don't want to marry because then they are under pressure to quit and stay home


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