Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

SnakePlissken

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I'm pleased we're in agreement.

Actually no......

end of the road

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

I'm not so sure about that. For example, the UK Labour party have been experiencing a major problem with anti-Semitism recently, and there was a very noticeable silence from most people here.

did you start a thread on the issue yourself?

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

This is a party that is one election away from holding power. But once again, they are lefties so they get the free pass as always.

bigots whoever they may be do not get a pass on this site and never have.

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The attack would be considered a major success by ISIS, or whoever, if the measures the keyboard warriors are calling for were enacted.

We should ban any vestige of that Wahabi-fascism that Saudi Arabia likes to export. Ultimately the head of the snake is Saudi Arabia (SA) itself. It's a pity the US/West didn't go into SA and dismantle the place after the Saudi hijackers flew passenger aircraft into the twin towers.

Which keyboard warriors are these? Because in the following paragraph you seem to be expressing support for shutting down Mosques all over Europe and deporting quite a few people.

Danzy

Beanybabog wrote: »

How come there are so many missing people in this matter? I don't mean to be disrespectful but the number of deceased and injured, while large and appalling, isn't so enormous that information couldn't be managed? I've seen heartbreaking pleas for information and I'm at loss to know whether the kids are in fact missing somehow or are they presumed deceased but they aren't identified and/or the hospitals / police aren't telling the families?

I was wondering about that, I'm guessing that there are a lot of children dead and they are trying to manage the media on the story.

The amount of people that would tolerate semi fascist musings, down playing incidents like this with comparisons to car crashes, BMW sales etc would be vanishingly small.

Ulysses Gaze

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The attack would be considered a major success by ISIS, or whoever, if the measures the keyboard warriors are calling for were enacted.

We should ban any vestige of that Wahabi-fascism that Saudi Arabia likes to export. Ultimately the head of the snake is Saudi Arabia (SA) itself. It's a pity the US/West didn't go into SA and dismantle the place after the Saudi hijackers flew passenger aircraft into the twin towers.

The problem is not regular Muslims on the streets of Manchester. Or Europe for that matter.

Yes Saudi is the key. Ban any money going from Saudi to Western European countries to build mosques or religious schools.

Ban their Royal Family from travelling into Western countries, owning property there or investing in Westen Stock Markets.

Pump hundreds of billions onto alternative energy and particularly extended battery cell life Technology.

And bite the bullet that we ultimately need to go nuclear for fuel.

Turn that country into a pariah state.

wakka12

Anyone know why only 2 victims have been identified over a day later?

ceadaoin.

Beanybabog wrote: »

How come there are so many missing people in this matter? I don't mean to be disrespectful but the number of deceased and injured, while large and appalling, isn't so enormous that information couldn't be managed? I've seen heartbreaking pleas for information and I'm at loss to know whether the kids are in fact missing somehow or are they presumed deceased but they aren't identified and/or the hospitals / police aren't telling the families?

I'd imagine that some of the victims, both survivors and deceased, aren't easily identifiable due to their injuries and any means of identification they might have had on them was destroyed or lost

Junkyard Tom

Deleted User wrote: »

Because in the following paragraph you seem to be expressing support for shutting down Mosques all over Europe and deporting quite a few people.

I believe that the teaching of extreme religion should be considered incitement to violence, hate-speech, brainwashing, child abuse, of whatever you'd like to call it. I didn't say anything about deporting people.

Danzy

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The attack would be considered a major success by ISIS, or whoever, if the measures the keyboard warriors are calling for were enacted.

We should ban any vestige of that Wahabi-fascism that Saudi Arabia likes to export. Ultimately the head of the snake is Saudi Arabia (SA) itself. It's a pity the US/West didn't go into SA and dismantle the place after the Saudi hijackers flew passenger aircraft into the twin towers.

Over half the Mosques in England teach a Wahhabi/Deobandi Islam, a fundamental Islam.

On the content alone that many disseminate a very large number could be shut down on current laws.

I think the law should be applied without fear or favour but I'm also aware that to do so would lead to chaos in this context.

I think that it will prevent it on a much larger scale in the future.

K.Flyer

wakka12 wrote: »

Anyone know why only 2 victims have been identified over a day later?

Depending on how close to the blast there might be some trouble identifying some, others may just want privacy in their grief.

namloc1980

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The problem is not regular Muslims on the streets of Manchester. Or Europe for that matter.

Yes Saudi is the key. Ban any money going from Saudi to Western European countries to build mosques or religious schools.

Ban their Royal Family from travelling into Western countries, owning property there or investing in Westen Stock Markets.

Pump hundreds of billions onto alternative energy and particularly extended battery cell life Technology.

And bite the bullet that we ultimately need to go nuclear for fuel.

Turn that country into a pariah state.

Trump just concluded a deal to sell the Saudis $110bn of military equipment, so what you're saying ain't gonna happen.

Ulysses Gaze

namloc1980 wrote: »

Trump just concluded a deal to sell the Saudis $110bn of military equipment, so what you're saying ain't gonna happen.

I'm aware of that.

Ideal world scenario. But will never happen.

But the day will come when they have no oil left, and all their money is frittered away, and they will be back scratching in the desert.

They could have advanced science and technology - created a better world. But having won the geological lottery, they buy supercars and fund terror instead.

No one will be weeping when they are back herding camels.

Junkyard Tom

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Ban their Royal Family from travelling into Western countries, owning property there or investing in Westen Stock

They're woven into Western economies and military industrial complexes. Western arms manufacturers love those Saudi USDs. The West is complicit with the Saudis' funnelling of arms and financial support for Jihadi nutters across the Middle East and North Africa - it's a vicious cycle, literally.

Hector Bellend

I dont understand why there hasnt been a stink made of these saudi arms deals before now.

Even the al yamamah deal that took place in the mid 80's still reverberates today. Why now?

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

We should ban any vestige of that Wahabi-fascism that Saudi Arabia likes to export.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I didn't say anything about deporting people.

So you're fine with closing the mosques, I'm onboard with that. So do we lock up anyone who preaches Wahhabi stuff? What about non-citizens? How do we handle EU citizens?

Ulysses Gaze

Hector Bellend wrote: »

I dont understand why there hasnt been a stink made of these saudi arms deals before now.

Even the al yamamah deal that took place in the mid 80's still reverberates today. Why now?

Since 20 pages of the 9/11 Commission Report were expunged because they implicated senior members of the House of Saud in that attack, the public has become more au fait with the Saudi funding of terror.

Selling arms to those that funded an attack on your soil, makes people start to think a little.

Junkyard Tom

Hector Bellend wrote: »

I dont understand why there hasnt been a stink made of these saudi arms deals before now.

Money.

DERICKOO

Why don't e just drop them off over nearest there nearest airport.




Are ye all so fu"" upb you cant see the AIR WOH i replied to to a wooozi.

Copper_pipe

Gamebred wrote: »

https://twitter.com/kjhardwell/status/866989772174229506

I see someone on Twitter mentioned that there is a northern pride event in Newcastle on the 22nd of July.

http://www.northern-pride.com/

old_aussie

wonderfullife wrote: »

Murderers who believe they can indiscriminately kill to achieve twisted aims. Basically every terrorist group in the region.

I think anyone who believes murder is acceptable to achieve their ends is a fruitcake.

Not controversial is it?

So wonderfullife is referring to the muslim terrorists.

I wasn't sure if wonderfullife was referring to the West or to the muslim terrorists

Junkyard Tom

Deleted User wrote: »

So you're fine with closing the mosques, I'm onboard with that.

Any Mosque where Islamofascist 'kill the infidels' stuff is preached? Yes. I doubt that happens very often though. Does it?

So do we lock up anyone who preaches Wahhabi stuff?

If it qualifies as incitement to violence? Yes.

What about non-citizens?

What are non-Citizens?

How do we handle EU citizens?

Warnings to shut up followed by more direct measures.

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Any Mosque where Islamofascist 'kill the infidels' stuff is preached? Yes. I doubt that happens very often though. Does it?

No, course not, the people just have epiphanies by themselves and flyers appear as if by magic.

If it qualifies as incitement to violence? Yes.

So not quite all vestiges then.

What are non-Citizens?

Someone who isn't a citizen of the country in which they reside. For the purposes of this discussion (since you said "we should ban...") let's say the country is Ireland. Though I think you knew that.

Warnings to shut up followed by more direct measures.

Woah, keyboard warrior alert. What are these "direct measures"? Going from banning all vestiges of the Wahabbi stuff to just incitement to violence didn't take long. Tou seem more than a bit half-hearted about it when it comes to specifics.

old_aussie

The "Face of Hate", has been named as Salman Abedi.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/92911194/the-face-of-hate-manchester-arena-attack-suspect-salman-abedis-home-raided

The "Face of Hate", what a realistic 21st century term to reflect muslim terrorist's soul purpose in life.

F*cking Scum.

Time for the "Good muslims" to do something to prevent their religion from being banned in the future.

DERICKOO

Deleted User wrote: »

No, course not, the people just have epiphanies by themselves and flyers appear as if by magic.


So not quite all vestiges then.



Someone who isn't a citizen of the country in which they reside. For the purposes of this discussion (since you said "we should ban...") let's say the country is Ireland. Though I think you knew that.


Woah, keyboard warrior alert. What are these "direct measures"? Going from banning all vestiges of the Wahabbi stuff to just incitement to violence didn't take long. Tou seem more than a bit half-hearted about it when it comes to specifics.

Ban them THEY AR BELOW THE DECORE

wonderfullife

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

What is your suggestion for tackling the problem which does exist? And it is a much bigger problem then you seem to want to admit to.

Any solution to the larger problem must come in the shape of Israel ceding territory, halting settlements and basically stopping the persecution of the Palestinians.

Rightly or wrongly, the way the allies divvied up the world after the defeat of Hitler, all the land redistribution etc is at the root of all the current problems.

For people saying Islam is this horror religion full of nutcase ideology, where were all terrorist attacks until the late 1970's? Nowhere. It's when the Soviet Union and USA started messing in the region with the proxy Cold War that things got out of hand.

I personally don't think the over-arching problem can ever be solved. There will always be murder. There will always be religious based murder. There will always be violent people who use twisted rationality to justify their aims.

Most organised religions are cults and the mentally weakest members of the cult will always try take passages of their Holy Books literally to justify a desire for infamy.

The amount of absolute tripe in both the Bible and the Koran is laughable, yet here we are as a species in 2017 and people literally think Jesus rose from the dead 2000 years ago, based on chinese whispers.

If you can believe that, then you can convince yourself of anything.

Gamebred

There is muslim doctors and surgeons in hospitals working right now on victims and people are calling for crazy measures, get a grip.

end of the road

old_aussie wrote: »

Time for the "Good muslims" to do something to prevent their religion from being banned in the future.

like what. islam won't be banned because such a bann won't be tolerated either by muslims or those of us who believe in democracy and freedom.

bodhrandude

old_aussie wrote: »

The "Face of Hate", has been named as Salman Abedi.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/92911194/the-face-of-hate-manchester-arena-attack-suspect-salman-abedis-home-raided

The "Face of Hate", what a realistic 21st century term to reflect muslim terrorist's soul purpose in life.

F*cking Scum.

Time for the "Good muslims" to do something to prevent their religion from being banned in the future.

Thats the only way it will happen, if the Muslims do something about it themselves, a revolt against fundamentalism from within, taking out Isis and all the mad terrorists themselves.

bodhrandude

bodhrandude wrote: »

Thats the only way it will happen, if the Muslims do something about it themselves, a revolt against fundamentalism from within, taking out Isis and all the mad terrorists themselves.

Easier said than done with the Billions the Saudis pump around the place.

Danzy

wonderfullife wrote: »

Any solution to the larger problem must come in the shape of Israel ceding territory, halting settlements and basically stopping the persecution of the Palestinians.

Rightly or wrongly, the way the allies divvied up the world after the defeat of Hitler, all the land redistribution etc is at the root of all the current problems.

For people saying Islam is this horror religion full of nutcase ideology, where were all terrorist attacks until the late 1970's? Nowhere. It's when the Soviet Union and USA started messing in the region with the proxy Cold War that things got out of hand.

I personally don't think the over-arching problem can ever be solved. There will always be murder. There will always be religious based murder. There will always be violent people who use twisted rationality to justify their aims.

Most organised religions are cults and the mentally weakest members of the cult will always try take passages of their Holy Books literally to justify a desire for infamy.

The amount of absolute tripe in both the Bible and the Koran is laughable, yet here we are as a species in 2017 and people literally think Jesus rose from the dead 2000 years ago, based on chinese whispers.

If you can believe that, then you can convince yourself of anything.

That is a David Irving level of historical denial or is just due to a lack of interest in history?