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greencap

muppetshow wrote: »

We are moving towards a very bad future for Europe as well unless some action is taken soon.

Unfortunately true.


The issue as you know is very tied in with partisan politics.

But really, surely a time comes for re-assessment.


Can we ask where the line is. And what practical steps need to be taken.

Without the subject becoming a play thing.

end of the road

Trump_Wall wrote: »

Let's take the Christians, en masse.

why. just because they are christian doesn't mean they share the same values as us going on your logic.

Trump_Wall wrote: »

Let adjacent Islamic countries absorb the Islamic refugees.

why. they aren't exactly much better then what those people are fleeing.

Wheeliebin30

greencap wrote: »

Unfortunately true.


The issue as you know is very tied in with partisan politics.

But really, surely a time comes for re-assessment.


Can we ask where the line is. And what practical steps need to be taken.

Without the subject becoming a play thing.

Sinn fein and the left will never allow it.

Beyondgone

You cannot legislate away the brain dead. There's brain dead Whites, brain dead Blacks, brain dead Catholics, brain dead Protestants, brain dead Muslims. The brain dead are always easily seduced to "hate them over there!" by sweet talkers who profess to have "all the answers". "Whitey robbed you of your life - he's killing your kids, what you gonna do boy?" Brain dead boy goes off to do harm.. If people want someone to blame, blame the Clay Davis types behind the scenes. They're the real problem.

greencap

Beyondgone wrote: »

You cannot legislate away the brain dead. There's brain dead Whites, brain dead Blacks, brain dead Catholics, brain dead Protestants, brain dead Muslims. The brain dead are always easily seduced to "hate them over there!" by sweet talkers who profess to have "all the answers". "Whitey robbed you of your life - he's killing your kids, what you gonna do boy?" Brain dead boy goes off to do harm.. If people want someone to blame, blame the Clay Davis types behind the scenes. They're the real problem.

Its true.

Maybe its time to start recording sermons.

If I was a legit preacher, doing no harm, and wanted to disassociate myself from extremists I'd welcome more clarity.

Shurimgreat

All religions should come with a very large asterix to the effect that what is preached may or may not be true and we cannot know for sure if what is preached is the word of god or a prophet. And all preachers should be made to add this qualification to their preaching, otherwise they should be prevented from preaching. There are too many brainwashed nutcases out there, and the preachers are ultimately to blame.

Ken.

Mod-Keep this thread about the Manchester attack. Anyone banned from the London thread bringing it here will be sanctioned.

joeguevara

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ilkhanid

Really Interested wrote: »

The vast majority of displaced people from the Middle East are housed in the Middle East. Turkey being the largest host.

I notice that Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar and the UAR don't feature on that list.

Really Interested

ilkhanid wrote: »

I notice that Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar and the UAR don't feature on that list.

http://www.opensourceinvestigations.com/syria/gulf-states-response-to-syrian-refugee-crisis-a-myth-debunked/

"And for that there is a logical explanation. Western media miscount the Syrian refugees because the primary data source, The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, does not count the refugees within the Gulf States. These states are not signatories to the Refugee Convention, their refugee relocations are not handled by the UNHCR."

"There are 2 million to 3 million Syrians in the Gulf countries, many of whom arrived since the war began, but they are not considered refugees and they are not part of the UNHCR statistics. They are classified as “Arab brothers and sisters in distress” instead of refugees covered by UN treaties. Even though, according to UNHCR officials, only in Saudi Arabia, there were 500,000 Syrian refugees in September 2015."

They are not called refugees in the Gulf States. As those states only recognise the 51 definition of the UN convention. That is persons made refugees before 1951. So they are called “Arab brothers and sisters in distress”

Tomatoheadfred

The Manchester One Love concert to go ahead despite London Bridge terror attack.

Widdershins

Really Interested wrote: »

The vast majority of displaced people from the Middle East are housed in the Middle East. Turkey being the largest host.

Top 10 host countries

1 Turkey 1.84 million
2 Pakistan 1.5 million
3 Lebanon 1.2 million
4 Islamic Republic of Iran 982,000
5 Ethiopia 702,500
6 Jordan 664,100
7 Kenya 552,300
8 Uganda 428,400
9 Chad 420,800
10 Sudan 356,200

Published: August 8, 2016
By: Amber Pariona

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-hosting-the-largest-number-of-refugees-in-the-world.html

Germany took in about 1 million refugees in 2016 alone. I see the above refers to early 2015.

Samaris

Widdershins wrote: »

Germany took in about 1 million refugees in 2016 alone. I see the above refers to early 2015.

Bear in mind that these countries with the possible exception of SA and UAE whose numbers are a bit iffy, were taking in refugees from a much earlier point and in much greater numbers than Europe. It is more "fair" to compare the heights of migration rather than a snapshot view (although 2015 isn't exactly a long time ago!). A fifth of Lebanon's population currently appears to be Syrian nationals. That is a hell of a high percentage (mostly because Lebanon itself is quite small).

http://www.irishnews.com/magazine/daily/2017/03/15/news/the-countries-doing-more-for-the-refugee-crisis-than-you-might-think-965157/

Really Interested

Widdershins wrote: »

Germany took in about 1 million refugees in 2016 alone. I see the above refers to early 2015.

The numbers quoted are declared refugees according to UN. The German figures are people who arrived and claimed asylum.

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-crisis-germany-asylum-seekers-numbers-drop-600000-in-2016-angela-merkel-syria-middle-east-a7521191.html%3Famp

Numbers in Germany this year are dropping.

gizmo81

Manchester: 100 days after the attack on TV3 now it's very sad, the poor parents.