Norwegian Air International discussion

EnzoScifo

Norwegian suspending Cork-Providence next winter. Will be in the Examiner tomorrow

everlast75

Just checking folks.

Is the "No dairy or meat on board" 100%?

Heading on Thursday and would like to know please.

Thanks in advance

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everlast75 wrote: »

Just checking folks.

Is the "No dairy or meat on board" 100%?

Heading on Thursday and would like to know please.

Thanks in advance

If you're flying from Dublin or Shannon that is.

It's fine from Belfast or Cork once it's consumed by the time you get to the US.

Stevek101

Are they all gone from Oct 27. DUB SNN and ORK.

kkapp

I have been looking up flights for Sept and with Norwegian and Aer Lingus and to be honest on some of the dates Aer Lingus where 20euro more expensive other days they were cheaper. So I think I will skip Norwegian this time around and go direct.

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Stevek101 wrote: »

Are they all gone from Oct 27. DUB SNN and ORK.

No, schedules not released yet.

goingnowhere

ORK suspended for Winter

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cupthehand1

Shannon - Providence suspended for Winter 2018

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cupthehand1 wrote: »

Shannon - Providence suspended for Winter 2018

Shannon-Stewart increasing to 4pw.

Noxegon

Cork suspended for the winter too.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fury-in-cork-as-norwegian-cuts-flights-wrd572m2c?shareToken=2c2577664fda54d541696bdb1c42458f

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Noxegon wrote: »

Cork suspended for the winter too.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fury-in-cork-as-norwegian-cuts-flights-wrd572m2c?shareToken=2c2577664fda54d541696bdb1c42458f

Read 4 posts up.

LXFlyer

Noxegon wrote: »

Cork suspended for the winter too.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fury-in-cork-as-norwegian-cuts-flights-wrd572m2c?shareToken=2c2577664fda54d541696bdb1c42458f

As per earlier posts!

Cork, Shannon, Belfast & Edinburgh to Providence suspended for Winter 2018/19.

LiamaDelta

I would have thought that Newburgh would have been a much safer bet than Providence for these airports. Is the reporting accurate that the runway in Cork would likely be too short for Stewart to be a destination? Is it a case that it is marginal and would become too dependent on winds and loads to be a reliable service?

LXFlyer

LiamaDelta wrote: »

I would have thought that Newburgh would have been a much safer bet than Providence for these airports. Is the reporting accurate that the runway in Cork would likely be too short for Stewart to be a destination? Is it a case that it is marginal and would become too dependent on winds and loads to be a reliable service?

That’s what Norwegian said, yes.

jjbrien

Could an A320neo work for Cork to SWF?

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jjbrien wrote: »

Could an A320neo work for Cork to SWF?

Can a 737Max do it?

Norwegian never said it cannot be done, they've simply rehashed the excuse that "they are monitoring the performance of the 737 Max"

kevinandrew

It was obvious from the start that Norwegian were using Cork, the thirst for a transatlantic service was strong enough for a local campaign to whip up interest in everyone from locals, media and at government level only to end up with the lowest frequency of service while Dublin and Shannon got the lion's share. 

Norwegian may struggle going forward, they'll muddle through winters at Dublin thanks to the volume available but at Shannon they face increased competition from Aer Lingus who are going year round to JFK next winter while at Belfast and Cork there simply isn't the demand in winter and I'm not sure a 3-4 month summer peak will pay the bills for those remaining months.

basill

Cork was used to get IAA/EU/US approval plain and simple. It should come as no surprise that they are now pulling out. For how long time will tell. Their CEO has been suitably vague when pushed on the issue if other media reports are to be believed.

HTCOne

The company itself is up the creek and the losses are only growing. Their breakeven LF last year was over 96%, nobody gets that long haul in the winter, and they aren’t getting it in the summer on the vast majority of their routes.

The short haul business is profitable apparently so someone will buy that when the banks have had enough (and their investors are deserting them already) they’ll sell that on to someone, but the long haul losses are enormous, their capital is shrinking and their costs are increasing, plus they have another 20 odd 787s being delivered this year.

They’ve been burning the furniture to keep warm by selling off shares in a Norwegian bank and in a telecom company, so they’ll be able to keep this up a while yet, but I think they’ll go under.

basill

Its kind of ironic how Norwegian is being kept afloat by its government and Norway is not in the EU yet a member of the EEA. So get to sit on the fence yet avail of the "benefits" of EU membership such as getting 5th freedoms into the US etc. Yet they don't have to worry about any of the EU rules regarding public funding for things like airlines. Makes you wonder what really went on behind the scenes in the political world to get these guys over the line. Wonder what they promised Ireland in return for backing them?

L1011

basill wrote: »

Its kind of ironic how Norwegian is being kept afloat by its government and Norway is not in the EU yet a member of the EEA. So get to sit on the fence yet avail of the "benefits" of EU membership such as getting 5th freedoms into the US etc. Yet they don't have to worry about any of the EU rules regarding public funding for things like airlines. Makes you wonder what really went on behind the scenes in the political world to get these guys over the line. Wonder what they promised Ireland in return for backing them?

The airline the Norwegian government own part of and have subvented in the past is SAS.

Norwegian are being kept alive by selling off their non-aviation assets they had built up when profitable, mainly their credit card division. edit: as already explained above.

A319er

Loads new aircraft on EI register equals money
Boeing jobs for loads young underpaid mechanics to monitor the fleet
DAA get extra revenue
HQ in the old EI IMBUS House,
Lots new jobs
And a few new routes for tourists etc

We probably did ok to be fair?

Just enjoy the low fares while you can and only pay with a credit card

Locker10a

Another thing with Norwegian is they seem to constantly be using HiFly and Wamos ACMI leases to operate their 787 routes from LGW, that must be costing them an absolute fortune. They’ve have HiFly in for the past week, and over the last 6 months I don’t think more than 2/3 weeks have passed when they haven’t had to call in HiFly or equivalent. Must be hemoraging cash on these leases alone.

ironclaw

Locker10a wrote: »

Another thing with Norwegian is they seem to constantly be using HiFly and Wamos ACMI leases to operate their 787 routes from LGW, that must be costing them an absolute fortune. They’ve have HiFly in for the past week, and over the last 6 months I don’t think more than 2/3 weeks have passed when they haven’t had to call in HiFly or equivalent. Must be hemoraging cash on these leases alone.

Genuinely curious about this, could you flesh it out a little more? Explain like I'm 5 :pac:

Locker10a

ironclaw wrote: »

Locker10a wrote: »

Another thing with Norwegian is they seem to constantly be using HiFly and Wamos ACMI leases to operate their 787 routes from LGW, that must be costing them an absolute fortune. They’ve have HiFly in for the past week, and over the last 6 months I don’t think more than 2/3 weeks have passed when they haven’t had to call in HiFly or equivalent. Must be hemoraging cash on these leases alone.

Genuinely curious about this, could you flesh it out a little more? Explain like I'm 5 :pac:

Basically they are hiring in charter airlines to operate a lot of their schedules over the past 6 months or more. They apparently leave very little time between flights (2 hours generally) so when an aircraft goes tech it causes days worth of disruption, and this can happen because 2 hours is not enough time to do repairs on aircraft. They run a tight schedule to maximise fleet utilisation but when it goes wrong it costs them big bucks and thousands are stranded for days sometimes.
For the past week they’ve hired in HiFly, a charter/leasing airline to cover some of their flights from LGW, with an A340. Hiring in other airlines to operate for you especially last minute is very very costly indeed. Not only are they paying for their own very expensive brand new 787 aircraft they are also paying for other airlines to operate flights for them on almost a weekly basis.

HTCOne

Locker10a wrote: »

Basically they are hiring in charter airlines to operate a lot of their schedules over the past 6 months or more. They apparently leave very little time between flights (2 hours generally) so when an aircraft goes tech it causes days worth of disruption, and this can happen because 2 hours is not enough time to do repairs on aircraft. They run a tight schedule to maximise fleet utilisation but when it goes wrong it costs them big bucks and thousands are stranded for days sometimes.
For the past week they’ve hired in HiFly, a charter/leasing airline to cover some of their flights from LGW, with an A340. Hiring in other airlines to operate for you especially last minute is very very costly indeed. Not only are they paying for their own very expensive brand new 787 aircraft they are also paying for other airlines to operate flights for them on almost a weekly basis.

I think they’ve been hit hard by the RR corrosion issues too, hence a few aircraft grounded awaiting engine replacements, so RR will be covering a lot of the ACMI expenses.

Locker10a

HTCOne wrote: »

Locker10a wrote: »

Basically they are hiring in charter airlines to operate a lot of their schedules over the past 6 months or more. They apparently leave very little time between flights (2 hours generally) so when an aircraft goes tech it causes days worth of disruption, and this can happen because 2 hours is not enough time to do repairs on aircraft. They run a tight schedule to maximise fleet utilisation but when it goes wrong it costs them big bucks and thousands are stranded for days sometimes.
For the past week they’ve hired in HiFly, a charter/leasing airline to cover some of their flights from LGW, with an A340. Hiring in other airlines to operate for you especially last minute is very very costly indeed. Not only are they paying for their own very expensive brand new 787 aircraft they are also paying for other airlines to operate flights for them on almost a weekly basis.

I think they’ve been hit hard by the RR corrosion issues too, hence a few aircraft grounded awaiting engine replacements, so RR will be covering a lot of the ACMI expenses.

Hmm ok, not sure the details on that but would make sense, wonder will RR be also footing the bill for the delay compensation! As we speak a HiFly a340 is enroute LGW-JFK 8 hours late, with potentially 300+ passengers on board who’ll be claiming thousands worth of compensation for delays, this wouldn’t be a big deal once off and it’s happens at all airlines but this is a very regular things and these situations happen multiple days per week over the past month. Must be costing either RR or Norwegian a pretty penny

HTCOne

Locker10a wrote: »

Hmm ok, not sure the details on that but would make sense, wonder will RR be also footing the bill for the delay compensation! As we speak a HiFly a340 is enroute LGW-JFK 8 hours late, with potentially 300+ passengers on board who’ll be claiming thousands worth of compensation for delays, this wouldn’t be a big deal once off and it’s happens at all airlines but this is a very regular things and these situations happen multiple days per week over the past month. Must be costing either RR or Norwegian a pretty penny

I’d imagine only some of the delays are due RR. Newly delivered 787s have the engine mod so only some of the fleet is affected. Anything that grounds an unaffected aircraft isn’t RR’s problem. But yes Air NZ, BA and Virgin have also had aircraft grounded. I believe NZ have leased B772s and a HiFly A340 to cover so RR are facing a hefty bill for sure. Virgin recently brought an A346 out of storage as a result too.

ironclaw

Awesome insight folks. Thanks!

As a follow-up, if you hire a charter at this level, I presume its a blank canvas in terms of a paint job and you just provide the crew? Must make for a weird passenger experience with zero branding on show.