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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭gunny123


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Would you ever feel relaxed and at ease taking one of those works of art out into the hunting field?? I wouldn't..The thought of one ding or scratch on a 30k plus gun would give me palpitations.

    I reckon most are bought as investments. Any that are used would be used from high seats or on driven shoots. But yes I would use them.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭gunny123




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭tac foley


    As a six-year old when I started my shooting 'career' I can only applaud the WMP and the school concerned for getting youngsters interested in how real live police use real-live guns to deadify those kind of people who so desperately yearn for it.

    The more young people that I can introduce to safe shooting via our monthly guest days, the better. I start young people off on AirSoft, shooting at paper cups on sticks at 7 and 10 metres. Depending on what I have with me, that can be anything from a SIG to a full-size M249.

    The moms and dads, also guests, can also get hooked on this style of backyard shooting, of course, with the UK law as it is, they can't have a 1J Airsoft gun without either joining a reenactment group, or AirSoft group, but they CAN buy a 4/5/6J pellet or BB gun that looks and feels exactly like the real thing...makes some kind of sense to somebody, I guess.

    tac


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭gunny123


    Seems like a bit of common sense, rather than the ban and hope approach of the EU

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-attacks-france-arms-idUSKBN19R1HO


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭tac foley


    What? Taking guns away from the people most likely to use them to commit atrocities? Whatever next?

    Maybe a better form of application for a firearm, or a more rigorous overview of gun club membership should be applied?

    It is to be noted that apart from a couple of Asian doctors, both from Pakistani backgrounds, we have NO islamics in our gun club of more than 400 members. Both of them - a husband and wife team - a members of Medécins sans Frontiéres, and are pediatricians. Not likely ISIS followers, I would have thought.

    tac


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,953 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    In Europe anyone can end up on these lists for just about anything.Things like liking face book posts that are not of the PC mainstream, belonging to political parties that dont fit the overall picture ,belonging to idiotic groups that think all British laws are based on British admilitary laws or think that Weimar Germany is still the real Germany and insist on Its laws being the only law.

    In fact anyone of us because we are gun owners and voice our dissent on occasion about our rubbish gun laws and post about it here ARE no doubt on lists in the DOJ..:)

    Also,they somehow forgot to mention that this chacter was well known to the authorthies as a radical ,and somehow they didnt bother acting on him before he went off with his "arsenal" of a Glock 17 and a semi auto Chech VZ rifle.. This one is squarely on the French authorthies door.
    But they have been damn quick to ban converted semi auto belt fed machine guns of great historical value and have never been used in crime or terrorist attacks to "prevent terrorism" instead:rolleyes:

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭gunny123


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    In Europe anyone can end up on these lists for just about anything.Things like liking face book posts that are not of the PC mainstream, belonging to political parties that dont fit the overall picture ,belonging to idiotic groups that think all British laws are based on British admilitary laws or think that Weimar Germany is still the real Germany and insist on Its laws being the only law.

    In fact anyone of us because we are gun owners and voice our dissent on occasion about our rubbish gun laws and post about it here ARE no doubt on lists in the DOJ..:)


    It seems George Orwell was right in "1984", thought control, newspeak, the whole 9-yards.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,953 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    1984 and Animal farm were supposed to be satire,not feckin manuals on how to run a society.Seems too many of our politicans have held onto those two leaving cert books abit too long..

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭gunny123


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    1984 and Animal farm were supposed to be satire,not feckin manuals on how to run a society.Seems too many of our politicans have held onto those two leaving cert books abit too long..

    I kept those two books from school, but took great joy in ripping peig sayers load of cack to shreds and dumped it in the first bin i came to.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Hah. The Streisand effect in full swing. By trying to stop any mention of her she has made the story blow up.

    Just as a side not what about An Gardaí if this is true? Look at what we've had in the last year alone:
    • Maurice McCabe being relentlessly victimised
    • The Commissioner under fire from the public and from some quarters of the Dail.
    • "Loosing" her phone
    • IIRC three other separate issues relating to her actions (including the promoting of her husband to Chief Super just weeks before the civilian board was due to take over that role)
    • Templemore financial scandal
    • Millions of fraudulent breath tests.
    • Gardaí including, according to the records, a Superintendent lying under oath at the Jobstown six trial (this is actually recorded and the word used is lying)

    Now it seems they are continuing in their new role as enforcers for the state. Given their actions during the water meter protests, meter installations, Belmullet, evictions, etc. they are acting on behalf of companies and now it would appear TDs all the while ignoring their true roles as mandated by their oath.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,192 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Cass, Noireen didn't just lose her phone, she has lost 6 or 7 of them.
    It stinks to high heaven that (I think) 11 out of 15 official phones belonging to two highranking police officials cannot be located, and texts and calls thereon cannot be retrieved.

    She's in on Thursday next in front of the PAC (her birthday!) for another session.

    Last day, they couldn't lay a finger on her......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭gunny123


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    1984 and Animal farm were supposed to be satire,not feckin manuals on how to run a society.Seems too many of our politicans have held onto those two leaving cert books abit too long..

    Our glorious leader is now going to be issuing weekly propaganda updates, stand by your set for further instructions.


    http://www.newstalk.com/Leo-Varadkar-announces-plan-for-weekly-video-messages


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Cass wrote: »
    Look at what we've had in the last year alone:
    • Maurice McCabe being relentlessly victimised
    • The Commissioner under fire from the public and from some quarters of the Dail.
    • "Loosing" her phone
    • IIRC three other separate issues relating to her actions (including the promoting of her husband to Chief Super just weeks before the civilian board was due to take over that role)
    • Templemore financial scandal
    • Millions of fraudulent breath tests.
    • Gardancluding, according to the records, a Superintendent lying under oath at the Jobstown six trial (this is actually recorded and the word used is lying)
    There seems to be a bit more than that on the list, including:
    • The last commissioner now stands accused by several journalists and others of personally libelling McCabe as a paedophile - an accusation which would seem to imply he had knowledge of the fake Tulsa records;
    • Several, if not all of the senior management team being damned to the PAC by senior civilian Garda management (the auditors involved in the Templemore case) who said they had no confidence in them and that they had been obstructed in their audits by the senior management team;
    • Several other mobile phones (not just the current Commissioners but also her predecessor's and several of those from the senior management team) going missing;
    • A non-garda gmail account being used by the current Commissioner for sensitive emails, which not only breaks the Gardai rules on such things but also quite a few data protection rules on account of the data involved being personally sensitive stuff and being housed (because this is gmail) on servers outside the jurisdiction (meaning under different rules from the EU, which is a major no-no), and since the Gardai also manage state security, it kindof breaks common sense as well;
    • Near-comical meetings with the new Policing Authority which verged on the Commissioner telling the Authority that she didn't have a report they were obviously going to need because the dog ate it;
    • Several other whistleblowers being ill-treated in a similar manner to McCabe, if not so visibly;
    • Data protection. I mean, seriously, where do you even start? PULSE records being accessed regularly by Gardai illegally and the information being handed or sold to third parties; our FCA1s going missing and turning up dumped; PULSE data itself turning out to be erroneous, inaccurate or just plain wrong -- wholly separately from the just-plain-falsified stuff now, this is where stuff gets entered wrong because the system's so broken that a Garda can't even sit down at a terminal and enter it in, he or she has to call it down a phone line to someone else to enter it in;
    And that's off the top of my head, just the stuff I remember in three minutes from the last few weeks from court reporters and the like on the tweetingbox.

    You should not be able to come up with a list that long that fast.

    Something's so rotten here that I keep hearing people on both ends of the hippie-to-neocon spectrum saying that we're heading towards a PSNI situation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Last day, they couldn't lay a finger on her......
    Were we watching different meetings? She had strips torn off her. Not as badly as the PAC did, but still.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭gunny123


    Sparks wrote: »
    Were we watching different meetings? She had strips torn off her. Not as badly as the PAC did, but still.

    Yeah, but at the end of the day, what will happen ? SFA ! We have a long list of people in Ireland involved with ; the government, the law, the gardai, the church, even sport, caught with their sticky fingers in the till, or abusing their power or being corrupt in some way.

    All get off scott-free with nice fat pensions. I have given up expecting any sort of justice, once you go above a certain paygrade, you are teflon coated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    gunny123 wrote: »
    Yeah, but at the end of the day, what will happen ? SFA !
    Well, yeah, but if one meeting could throw the head of the police and state security forces out on her ear in the space of twenty minutes, I'd be more worried. Stuff like that should require some time and effort. One meeting should be serious enough to be noted, but not serious enough to fire the boss over, if you follow me.

    The problem is, we're so far over to the wrong side of the pendulum swing that now you need way too much before people are fired, to the point that by the stage you have that much together, there's an election on and everything resets on you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,953 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    OTOH,it should also mean they are too busy with all this to cause us gunowners any hassle for a long time...Hopefully.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭gunny123


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    OTOH,it should also mean they are too busy with all this to cause us gunowners any hassle for a long time...Hopefully.

    OR....................., "QUICK, look over there, jihadi-paddies with cz bolt actions ar-15s and evil black plastic Walther gsp Glocks", Also chuck in a bit of "public safety", "American style gun culture", "high capacity clips" and the public eye is on us and not them and their shananigans.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭gunny123




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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    What is yer man's story/background? Seems far too familiar with firearms to be shooting them for the first time. Even how he cycles the bolt in the last minute of the video, to his grip when firing. If it is his first time then he has some natural ability.

    At least it's not like these numpties. Using all the typical stereotypes, catchphrases and generally going into it with preconceived ideas and coming out the other side saying they're dangerous, unsafe and "they cannot believe people can own a gun that size, in their house".


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭tac foley


    This is a good one, too



    tac


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭gunny123


    What i liked was the target system. No spotting scopes, tv, and video cameras or any of that, you shoot and your score pops up on the display. Also can you imagine the poo-storm if you tried to open a range like that in Ireland, facing the back of someones house ? The phoneline to Joe Fluffy would go into meltdown.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭tac foley


    Almost every village in Switzerland has its own 300m rifle range and 25m pistol range - the rationale behind it is simple, Switzerland really DOES have a citizen armed forces made up of the ordinary Joe. Sunday consists going to church, a light lunch and then the afternoon on the range.

    Not a lot of things better than that, eh?

    Well, yes, the Eidgenossisches Feldschiessen is a LOT better - 127’840 Teilnehmer am 2017 Eidgenössischen Feldschiessen - and boys and girls from age 14 compete against each other - http://stephenhalbrook.com/articles/swiss_teen_rifle_festival.html

    tac


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭tac foley


    Bringing on the young shooter?

    Certainly, Sir.



    tac


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    At the risk of being a nay sayer the issue we have here is the age limit. While it's legal for a youngster (under 16 and no license) to shoot on a range most ranges impose an age limit. The average being 12 to 14 years old before they can shoot.

    That means in the same 6 to 8 year period from when most other youngsters start our lot are only beginning. At say 14 they going against kids from other countries that not only have them beat for experience but most likely have medals and accolades under their belts.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Cass wrote: »
    What is yer man's story/background?
    Lindybeige? Essentially, amateur historian with a particular interest in ancient soldiering and ancient logistics. Has a lot of entertaining youtube bits taking the swords-and-sandals genre of films to pieces pointing out their really god-awful errors.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    gunny123 wrote: »
    What i liked was the target system. No spotting scopes, tv, and video cameras or any of that, you shoot and your score pops up on the display.
    We have that already in a lot of Irish ranges though. It's easier and cheaper with 10m airgun but the systems are available for everything involving a bullseye target up to centerfire rifle stuff at pretty long ranges. It just gets more expensive as you go up because it gets harder to make them so they'll last (you're essentially making a sensitive electronics system that will sit out in the rain and the mud while people shoot at it; it's not trivial to do that right :D )
    Also can you imagine the poo-storm if you tried to open a range like that in Ireland, facing the back of someones house ? The phoneline to Joe Fluffy would go into meltdown.
    If it was a centerfire rifle range pointed at the back of someone's house (as in, where their house would be the backstop) I think I'd call Joe Fluffy myself, that'd be insane.
    But we've already had/still have ranges for smaller calibres that were/are like that. They're just indoors so that nobody gets too nervous. Firearms and the Irish public aren't overly familiar with each other in any good ways given our modern history...


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭tac foley


    Cass wrote: »
    At the risk of being a nay sayer the issue we have here is the age limit. While it's legal for a youngster (under 16 and no license) to shoot on a range most ranges impose an age limit. The average being 12 to 14 years old before they can shoot.

    That means in the same 6 to 8 year period from when most other youngsters start our lot are only beginning. At say 14 they going against kids from other countries that not only have them beat for experience but most likely have medals and accolades under their belts.

    Switzerland is not just a different country - as far as firearms are concerned, it's a different world.

    I'll refrain from vicariously blowing its trumpet in future.

    tac
    www.swissrifles.com


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭tac foley


    Sparks wrote: »
    Lindybeige? Essentially, amateur historian with a particular interest in ancient soldiering and ancient logistics. Has a lot of entertaining youtube bits taking the swords-and-sandals genre of films to pieces pointing out their really god-awful errors.

    Sometimes he's funny and sometimes he's a PITA. He's a bit like Marmite, I guess.

    tac


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