2018 Leaf

I couldn't even imagine the cost of that !

josip

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I couldn't even imagine the cost of that !

Wouldn't it pay for itself after a few years and they're almost maintenance free.

grogi

josip wrote: »

Wouldn't it pay for itself after a few years and they're almost maintenance free.

The cost reduction of going from a Leaf to a Tesla is negative.

KCross

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im having a mad notion whether to buy a 2nd hand i3 or not. I'd like something with more power.

https://speakev.com/threads/bmw-i3-bev-june-2016-private-sale.54841

161 i3: You'd have that here for about €21k

unkel

Soarer wrote: »

But if they're the same money, isn't that enough for people?

I mean, most people who drive evs aren't on the motorway every day. They're doing stop/start driving, rat runs, shopping, school runs, short commutes. If they have to hit the motorway every so often, they're not gonna have a drastic range loss like the current Leaf.
So a new 40kWh (useable) Leaf will blitz the current Ioniq for most people.
Not to mention the current public CP system is geared towards chademo & type 2, which also suits the new Leaf.

From my point of view, with the driving I do, if the new Leaf is 40kWh, has faster charging, and is around the same money as the Ioniq, it'll be the Leaf all day long.

As is always the case with ev ownership, it's what suits.

Indeed. Can't argue with any of that.

My guess is that it won't be €25k on the road though. Or €26k-28k. But over €30k.

Anyone any update on this? Even list prices? Published base list price (after scrappage) + metallic and delivery -/- discount is usually roughly the same as a car's base list price, so it's a good marker

BoatMad

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Zoe 40 is fine if you can live with it's size and sluggish power , just make sure you do not get the 75 Hp version and 22 Kw "only" charging. They could have made it CCS compatible. Again, poor decisions. But the 22 Kw AC is fantastic.

It's also way too expensive for what it is

BoatMad

KCross wrote: »

If there are no preceding vehicles present, it will maintain a preset cruising speed. Should the Leaf start closing in on another vehicle, however, the system will control acceleration and braking in order to maintain a safe distance behind that car.

Thats basically adaptive cruise control, which is no big deal. Lots of cars have that already.

Additionally, as long as lane markers are present on both sides of the road, ProPILOT will control the steering (on straightaways and on curves) in order to keep the Leaf centered in its lane.

Thats everywhere except motorways excluded in this country so!


I won't be interested in paying anything extra for ProPilot if I buy a Leaf II. They need to focus on getting range and price right before this ProPilot stuff.

Vast majority of N routes have left hand side markings

BoatMad

unkel wrote: »

Indeed. Can't argue with any of that.

My guess is that it won't be €25k on the road though. Or €26k-28k. But over €30k.

Anyone any update on this? Even list prices? Published base list price (after scrappage) + metallic and delivery -/- discount is usually roughly the same as a car's base list price, so it's a good marker

I think Nissan will price under the Ioniq for base model ( 40 kWh usable )

Indications now seem to suggest that 60 kWh will be available soon after launch , this may well be 30K +

BoatMad

Unless the situation with CCS changes , I won't touch a CCS EV

unkel

BoatMad wrote: »

I think Nissan will price under the Ioniq for base model ( 40 kWh usable )

Not sure what you mean there. Under current 28kWh Ioniq? Under the higher range Ioniq? That car won't be around until way after the Leaf 2, so Nissan can not base the price on that.

KCross

KCross wrote: »

https://speakev.com/threads/bmw-i3-bev-june-2016-private-sale.54841

161 i3: You'd have that here for about €21k

A good price alright but I can't get out of my lease right now, it will cost me more than the car is worth. At least I've 6 more months to think about what I want to do.

BoatMad

unkel wrote: »

Not sure what you mean there. Under current 28kWh Ioniq? Under the higher range Ioniq? That car won't be around until way after the Leaf 2, so Nissan can not base the price on that.

No I expect that leaf 2 base 40 kWh will be priced below current Ioniq

unkel

Really? Like a base model without any extras for €25k on the road? If Nissan will / can do that, they should sell like hotcakes! Could be the first EV going proper mainstream here in Ireland!

BoatMad

unkel wrote: »

Really? Like a base model without any extras for €25k on the road? If Nissan will / can do that, they should sell like hotcakes! Could be the first EV going proper mainstream here in Ireland!

My understanding from Nisasn ireland is thats the pricing goal. i.e. the base model 40 Kwh would not have a premium ( or much of one ) over the existing 24 kwh

They know there isnt much room to move the price point higher

and I agree, it will sell like hotcakes if they can meet that type of pricing

liamog

New teaser for the 2018 Leaf Propilot, self parking ability, looks like they are pushing ahead of all but Tesla on the tech front.

KCross

liamog wrote: »

New teaser for the 2018 Leaf Propilot, self parking ability, looks like they are pushing ahead of all but Tesla on the tech front.

I've driven a 3yr old VW Tiguan with park assist and the only difference between it and the ProPilot parking is that you have to work the clutch & brake on the Tiguan. The Car does everything else itself, presumably to ensure that the driver takes responsibility for any issues and because the Tiguan wasn't automatic.

It works quite well actually on the Tiguan. You drive passed two cars with a space in between and it measures the distance between the two cars to determine if it can make the manoeuvre or not and then you let it at it. I was surprised how small a space it was able to manoeuvre into. It was a good lesson on reverse parking!

ProPilot fully automated parking isn't really that cool or interesting relative to whats already out there.

Likewise with adaptive cruise control and lane assist.

I think Nissan are over-egging ProPilot but it is a step forward so its welcome.

I'd rather a 200+ HP than an EV than more automation but having said that, driving home after night shifts can be scary and I'd welcome anything that could take me out of a potential serious situation.

liamog

KCross wrote: »

I've driven a 3yr old VW Tiguan with park assist and the only difference between it and the ProPilot parking is that you have to work the clutch & brake on the Tiguan. The Car does everything else itself, presumably to ensure that the driver takes responsibility for any issues and because the Tiguan wasn't automatic.

It works quite well actually on the Tiguan. You drive passed two cars with a space in between and it measures the distance between the two cars to determine if it can make the manoeuvre or not and then you let it at it. I was surprised how small a space it was able to manoeuvre into. It was a good lesson on reverse parking!

ProPilot fully automated parking isn't really that cool or interesting relative to whats already out there.

Likewise with adaptive cruise control and lane assist.

I think Nissan are over-egging ProPilot but it is a step forward so its welcome.

Oh I agree it's not as innovative as they are making out.
It's nice to see these features make their way down to lower spec cars.

So far we've seen Lane Keeping, Radar Cruise Control, and Self Parking and looking at their ProPilot marketing it's 2020 before they start doing multi lane highway driving.

unkel

Self parking is meh. Does ProPilot have autonomous emergency braking? Didn't watch the video yet, but I presume it does. Even a Toyota Aygo (€13k) has that as standard these days.

Yes it does.

I wonder how all these self parking cars cope with spaces that have no markings ?

KCross

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I wonder how all these self parking cars cope with spaces that have no markings ?

I presume it uses the cars around it as its marker which is what a human would do as well.

The Tiguan managed it fine so I assume ProPilot would be no different.

Soarer

We have self parking in our 2008 Prius. Never use it.

isnottheword

Soarer wrote: »

We have self parking in our 2008 Prius. Never use it.

takes longer than manual park??

Soarer

isnottheword wrote: »

takes longer than manual park??

Yup.

Pain in the whole.

isnottheword

Soarer wrote: »

Yup.

Pain in the whole.

A lot of these things will be work in progress for a few years - so implementation will have to be perfected. I'd be more keen to see more range than any of these toys (I accept that fully fledged automated driving isn't a toy - it will be a hell of a thing when it comes - but only once it's fully automated).

I saw a video of the self parking or park assist in the I3, was pretty fast in fairness. Perhaps it's improved a lot since 2008.

ABC101

Quick question Lads, is Opel going to sell the Ampera e in Ireland? Or is the production run too small? From what I understand it has a 60 kw battery and can do over 200 miles. Looks a smart car too.

unkel

No. No RHD, so not sold in the UK or here.

ABC101

ABC101 wrote: »

Quick question Lads, is Opel going to sell the Ampera e in Ireland? Or is the production run too small? From what I understand it has a 60 kw battery and can do over 200 miles. Looks a smart car too.

Since PSA have taken over Opel from GM it's possible they will design a RHD model but my guess is they won't bother. GM's original plan was that they probably will make a RHD for the 2nd generation of the Bolt but PSA might use the tech and design a different model and my guess is they will not sell anything near 200 HP and Dull it down severely being PSA !

The Bolt is mainly an LG car anyway with a GM body, yes they designed some other components but most of the electrics are designed and made by LG including the battery.