Steps to get good friday alcohol ban overturned.

murpho999

infogiver wrote: »

Do you have to be available for work 363 days a year?

No and nor do bar staff.

You really just seem to come here to pick arguments with people.

Gbear

infogiver wrote: »

Bar staff have to be available to work 363 days of the year. They get there 20 days holidays and PH like everyone else. One of the AL days happens to be fixed as GF, the other is CD. In an industry where mon to fri doesn't exist this allows them to plan off duty time with no quibble at least twice a year.

I would like you to point out to me where your "rights" as a person include a "right" to go into a pub and be served drink by another person.

What industry do you work in? Is your place of employment open to the public 363 days a year? Is part of your employment contract that you have to be available 363 days? If not then why not? Surely it's my right as a member of the public that I be able to access whatever business you are in for at least 363 days?
If you want to take GF off them

Again, pubs aren't the only place to buy drink.
The ban includes supermarkets and offies.

Pubs have no obligation to sell me anything on any day. There shouldn't however be an imposition on the part of the state.

There's nothing stopping them closing whenever they like.

This obviously isn't the purpose of the law so your point is irrelevant but even so, arbitrarily closing businesses isn't a valid use of state power and is fundamentally wrong and banning alcohol sales isn't doing that anyway.

If you're arguing that the state should be able to arbitrarily close businesses down for a period of time to give staff time off, go right ahead, but that's not what this law does.

marialouise

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/good-friday-alcohol-sales-ban-to-be-abolished-1.3041196
From 2018 it looks like the ban might be lifted!

Kermit.de.frog

It's one day. TBH I don't mind it, religious or not. Anything that helps lower drinking in Ireland even for just a day seems positive to me.

end of the road

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's one day. TBH I don't mind it, religious or not. Anything that helps lower drinking in Ireland even for just a day seems positive to me.

it actually doesn't lower drinking though.

SPDUB

Reading that Irish Times story it seems that the bill , proposed by independents , would only lift the ban for pubs .

The Government would need to incorporate into their alcohol bill for it to be a general lifting of the ban

DEFTLEFTHAND

Judeo-Christian culture forged the values of the west. Created our civilisation.

You can be very thankful for what they did for all of you.

Try growing up in an Islamic country maybe instead.

511

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Judeo-Christian culture forged the values of the west. Created our civilisation.

You can be very thankful for what they did for all of you.

How do you know we would be better or worse off without Judeo-Christian culture?

Try growing up in an Islamic country maybe instead.

This is a lesser evil fallacy but, ironically, Islam was inspired by Judaism and Christianity. It's just that Europeans have almost always been ahead of the MENA region due to human evolution. The most modern and progressive civilizations are the ones that inhabit cold, temperate climates where agriculture flourishes. You learn more and work harder when the weather is cool.

I'm not sure of the evolutionary explanation behind why we are more civilized, but learning how to cultivate the land stimulated our intellects to the extent that most Europeans know religion is illogical. This is why ethnic groups, whose ancestors inhabited temperate climates, have the highest IQs and are the most innovative when it comes to technology.

But on a more pertinent matter, this Good Friday ban is a load of bolllocks and drink should be sold 24/7/365.

BuilderPlumber

Lets give those lovely clowns in the NBRU/AAA this mission and get the buses back on the road. We all know these insulters of socialism love an auld pint. In fact, they have been drinking pints the last 2 weeks instead of doing the job they are paid to do. Living the dream of the capitalist pigs they are. In fact, they are getting paid to drink pints all day and chat and do poor imitations of Elvis and John Wayne. These idiots when they have time on their hands are dangerous and have been idle since the Water protest. Get the buses on the road and change the struggle now to the right to drink in a pub on Good Friday!!!

BuilderPlumber

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Judeo-Christian culture forged the values of the west. Created our civilisation.

You can be very thankful for what they did for all of you.

Try growing up in an Islamic country maybe instead.

I cannot understand ever why alcohol gets banned in some places. All I know is it has not a thing to do with Christianity or Islam which do not ban it. Drunkenness that causes harm to others is what they ban, not alcoholic drink. I gather it was banned in hot Middle Eastern countries in the pre-oil days because water was a scarce resource and people frowned on it being used for what was considered a non-essential product in a drought. Sadly, the fascists who rule much of the Middle East now use these 'traditional' laws to repress the people and keep them down ... while they themselves wallow in their alcohol fuelled debauchery.

Good Friday here in Ireland is similar. I think it is largely considered a day off for pubs and the vintners have insisted on it.

Capt'n Midnight

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's one day. TBH I don't mind it, religious or not. Anything that helps lower drinking in Ireland even for just a day seems positive to me.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Try growing up in an Islamic country maybe instead.

Just a reminder about overcompensation, lots of people put on weight during ramadan ( ‎27 May – 24 June this year )

uck51js9zml2yt

I remember being in Tunisia and a foreigner who was living there pointed out where the local alcoholics went to get their booze.

osarusan

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Judeo-Christian culture forged the values of the west. Created our civilisation.

You can be very thankful for what they did for all of you.

Try growing up in an Islamic country maybe instead.

That's some shoehorn you have there.

gizmo81

Our great little country just loves to hold onto that control it had of people back in the 'good auld days'.

Alcohol, women's bodies, children's right to choose religion.

Slowly but surely they are releasing the grip for a new type of control, debt!

They don't ban alcohol out of love for the bar staff, if it's out of nostalgia/tradition then what for, the more we find out about our past the more horrible it was. It was precisely bans like these that kept our people in line and thus open to the horrors subjected upon them.

Pac1Man

Alcoholics Anonymous Ireland info below:

Site: http://www.alcoholicsanonymous.ie
Tel: 01-8420700
Email: gso@alcoholicsanonymous.ie


"The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking."

aaronjumper

Pac1Man wrote: »

Alcoholics Anonymous Ireland info below:

Site: http://www.alcoholicsanonymous.ie
Tel: 01-8420700
Email: gso@alcoholicsanonymous.ie


"The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking."

Ah damn. Down at the first hurdle.

Capt'n Midnight

Pac1Man wrote: »

Alcoholics Anonymous Ireland info below:
...

"The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking."

And a belief in God. It's not for everyone.

http://www.alcoholicsanonymous.ie/Information-on-AA/The-Twelve-Steps

Pac1Man

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

And a belief in God. It's not for everyone.

http://www.alcoholicsanonymous.ie/Information-on-AA/The-Twelve-Steps

Dammit! I retract my endorsement.

murpho999

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's one day. TBH I don't mind it, religious or not. Anything that helps lower drinking in Ireland even for just a day seems positive to me.

Good Friday ban actually leads to more drinking. Pubs will be busier on Thursday than normal and people will drink more at home on Friday, house parties etc.

It's up to people to look after their own drinking habits.
Time for the stupid archaic law to go and let people live their own lives.

murpho999

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

And a belief in God. It's not for everyone.

http://www.alcoholicsanonymous.ie/Information-on-AA/The-Twelve-Steps

Why do they not blame God for their drinking in the first place.

Bizzare that an organisation such as the AA, dealing with such a major problem is all entrenched with religion in their programme.

Yourself isit

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

I cannot understand ever why alcohol gets banned in some places. All I know is it has not a thing to do with Christianity or Islam which do not ban it. Drunkenness that causes harm to others is what they ban, not alcoholic drink. I gather it was banned in hot Middle Eastern countries in the pre-oil days because water was a scarce resource and people frowned on it being used for what was considered a non-essential product in a drought. Sadly, the fascists who rule much of the Middle East now use these 'traditional' laws to repress the people and keep them down ... while they themselves wallow in their alcohol fuelled debauchery.

Good Friday here in Ireland is similar. I think it is largely considered a day off for pubs and the vintners have insisted on it.

Of course it's banned for religious reasons in Islam. And on good Friday.

Yourself isit

gizmo81 wrote: »

Our great little country just loves to hold onto that control it had of people back in the 'good auld days'.

Alcohol, women's bodies, children's right to choose religion.

I'm pretty sure most countries have controlled all of that in the past.

__Alex__

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Just a reminder about overcompensation, lots of people put on weight during ramadan ( ‎27 May – 24 June this year )

Really? A Muslim former housemate of mine used the time period to lose whatever extra weight she was carrying. It was her annual diet because she said overall less food is eaten daily during Ramadan.

gizmo81

The active word being past.

Yourself isit wrote: »

gizmo81 wrote: »

Our great little country just loves to hold onto that control it had of people back in the 'good auld days'.

Alcohol, women's bodies, children's right to choose religion.
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I'm pretty sure most countries have controlled all of that in the past.

Doctor Nick

ygolometsipe wrote: »

I am not Catholic, I don't believe I will go to hell for drinking alcohol on
Good Friday. I know I am a minority in Ireland in this regard but why are my rights ignored on Good Friday and what if any steps could I take to get this overturned?

Note: its not about the alcohol, its about imposing religious dogma on non
religious citizens.

Step one: Purchase beer Thu.
Step two: Drink beer purchased Thu on Fri.

Mr.H

infogiver wrote:

Do you have to be available for work 363 days a year?

I work in a cafe that only closes on Christmas day. I am available to work 364 days a year.

Your argument is just for the sake of arguing.

The good Friday ban is a load of crap that was designed to keep church goers out of the pub on good Friday.

If you wanna be religious then go to church and don't let your alcoholism affect my unwinding on just another friday.

As for bank holidays. Ireland have one of the fewest amounts in Europe.

mikeym

If people want to go out drinking on Good Friday there is a way.

http://www.igb.ie/go-greyhound-racing/prices-deals/GoodFriday/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=April%2017%20Good%20Friday%20cork&utm_content=fb%20-%20Good%20Friday

Mr.H

a few years back Munster hosted Leinster in Thomond park.

On that day Limerick was granted a license to allow bars to open to accommodate the many visitors of the game. Needless to say attendance was much higher than usual

I was off that day. Didnt go to the game.

I did not go to the pub

if the pubs were opened on good firday it doesnt mean I will go there. In fact I might not as it is a long weekend and if I can get time off I would go away with my girlfriend.

The point is that I should have a choice of going to the pub if I want.

I am not religious and find the mere though of believing in that (as far as I am concerned) rubbish as childish and not very clever.

I for one dont think pubs should be restricted by any "opening hours". If I had a shop I could open any time I want and set my own hours. The same should be said if I owned a pub.

I am not catholic and supposedly dont live in a country that is run by the church so why should I live by catholic rules?

If we close on good friday should we not also close for the whole of Ramadan since we are an inclusive country??

Its a load of crap that is allowed to remain because too many people are "ah sure leave it its tradition" sheep

Yourself isit

gizmo81 wrote: »

The active word being past.

Yourself isit wrote: »

It's you who said good old days. Not me. Most countries still have alcohol restrictions. In the US you can't drink until 21

snowflaker

Don't they have that story of GF drinking being allowed next year, every year???