glas payment

MIKEKC

Johnny0k wrote: »

I asked was it still an IT problem and she couldn't say and asked her supervisor and just came back rambling that my details were fine and it's on the next payment day... when ever that is..

There is an IT problem with some applications since last spring.They want some people to go into Glas 3 so they needen't fix the problem

theaceofspies

This is turning into an episode of the 'Keystone Cops' - the Department haven't a clue what they're doing. They're making up excuses as they go along. A comedy of errors and the clowns are us farmers.

theaceofspies

MIKEKC wrote: »

There is an IT problem with some applications since last spring.They want some people to go into Glas 3 so they needen't fix the problem

A simple solution for the Department if their IT system is broken. Get pen, fresh paper and a calculator. Go through each file, calculate what is due to each farmer and pay farmers manually by bank transfer.

Johnny0k

theaceofspies wrote:

A simple solution for the Department if their IT system is broken. Get pen, fresh paper and a calculator. Go through each file, calculate what is due to each farmer and pay farmers manually by bank transfer.

The old way is the best way.

Farmer

theaceofspies wrote: »

A simple solution for the Department if their IT system is broken. Get pen, fresh paper and a calculator. Go through each file, calculate what is due to each farmer and pay farmers manually by bank transfer.

More likely they'll hire in a few consultants to see what went wrong.

I wouldn't be surprised if their IT issue isn't a man made one brought about by upgrading the mapping mid way through a scheme. General IT "glitches" don't go on for months

coolshannagh28

Late payments are nothing new ,Its a psychological strategy to frustrate and grind farmer outsiders down in a stacked market ,grit your teeth and play the game

MayoAreMagic

This IT problem spiel is a little hard to swallow. The technology is commonplace and is used to pay wages for most people in the country. Also, it isn't as if this is a new system for the dept, they already have an existing system that does the exact same thing across a range of schemes. So to suggest that it couldn't be fixed for almost two months is ridiculous.

There is nothing but talk of clawbacks and penalties when farmers don't meet certain criteria etc, well it is about time there was something similar written in to these schemes to combat the same issue in the opposite direction. There seems to be an attitude of 'oh ye are lucky to be getting anything at all, ye should be thankful' as regards farmers getting their payments. I wonder would they accept the same attitude if their wages weren't paid for two months?

20silkcut

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

This IT problem spiel is a little hard to swallow. The technology is commonplace and is used to pay wages for most people in the country. Also, it isn't as if this is a new system for the dept, they already have an existing system that does the exact same thing across a range of schemes. So to suggest that it couldn't be fixed for almost two months is ridiculous.

There is nothing but talk of clawbacks and penalties when farmers don't meet certain criteria etc, well it is about time there was something similar written in to these schemes to combat the same issue in the opposite direction. There seems to be an attitude of 'oh ye are lucky to be getting anything at all, ye should be thankful' as regards farmers getting their payments. I wonder would they accept the same attitude if their wages weren't paid for two months?

Here here payyments and subsidies are the root of all farmings woes.

Muckit

Sure please God when your time comes, there mightn't be any payments.

Green farmer

Cannt understand why the farm unions and ifj aren't up in arms and making more noise about it.

Farmer

Another bit on the Indo today, nothing new unfortunately

http://m.independent.ie/business/farming/schemes/it-problems-continue-to-hold-up-glas-payments-for-10000-farmers-35389773.html

Payment can only issue where all the required validation checks have been successfully passed. Some 10,100 cases did not pass all the checks.
According to the Minster for Agriculture, Michael Creed work on processing these cases, including development of further IT functionality, is on-going with a view to effecting payment as quickly as possible. 

Whatever IT functionality was used to pay Glas 1 would have done us. Looks to me like someone made a hames of it

darragh_haven

I was just told that it'll be 4 to 5 weeks before everyone gets their initial 85% payment.

Signpost

Anyone asking when they are going to pay the additional 15% (or 40% if your in Glas+) that they are withholding?

Qprmeath

The shambles continues, anyone regretting going into Glas now?. Nutrient Management Plan next but will have to pay planner what I owe him if hes going to do that?

TITANIUM.

Signpost wrote: »

Anyone asking when they are going to pay the additional 15% (or 40% if your in Glas+) that they are withholding?

Good question, I'm in that boat myself but I wouldn't be expecting it anytime soon seeing as we seem to have plenty of lads that are compliant and have got nothing yet.

Does anyone know if they have released the date for submission of the nutrient management plans yet?

MayoAreMagic

Qprmeath wrote: »

The shambles continues, anyone regretting going into Glas now?. Nutrient Management Plan next but will have to pay planner what I owe him if hes going to do that?

Mightnt be able to do mine until about 3 months after the deadline, so July.

IT problem. These things happen...

coolshannagh28

We seem to be back where we were before SFP was introduced with an array of subsidies tied to farming and interminable cross checking and payment delays

Green farmer

Agri land have put up an article where a TD is taking up the fight , if anyone knows how to put up the link

Base price

Green farmer wrote: »

Agri land have put up an article where a TD is taking up the fight , if anyone knows how to put up the link

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/minister-creed-called-on-to-take-the-bull-by-the-horns-and-issue-glas-monies/

djmc

The final 15% of Glas was supposed to be paid in December then pushed out to January and the latest report is the end of February.
I don't think it will be paid in four weeks time either when so many are still waiting for the first 85% of Glas payment.
Also no word of when glas+ will be paid
The reality is that this could drag on all year
Nobody in government seems to care about farmers anymore.

blue5000

Was anyone here that's still waiting on payment inspected? What did they look for?

theaceofspies

http://www.thatsfarming.com/news/glas-opinion-lies

Green farmer

Minister has sent out a press release saying their working on it. Doesn't say when it will be fixed though and still 10,100 people and their families unpaid. I've lost patience. Don't want to hear any more waffle. Just want payment in my account.

theaceofspies

Still waiting here too.

When (if ever) this is all sorted the main agricultural representative bodies really need to nail the Department of Agriculture on this Charter of Rights when it is being reviewed again. Right now its not worth the paper it is written on.

Yet if it is done right it is probably the only hope we have to avoid a repeat of this GLAS payments fiasco. There has to be a penalty of some sort for the Department when they err.

Hurling Hereford

What are the farming organisations' opinions on the delay in payments to us?

From what I can see, their silence is absolutely deafening in relation to GLAS. Years ago there would be a least farmers' protests regarding this issue.

coolshannagh28

The psychological warfare continues

Base price

blue5000 wrote: »

Was anyone here that's still waiting on payment inspected? What did they look for?

OH's friend was inspected. He is in GLAS 1- thm, bird boxes, bee boxes and bee sand from memory. Inspector measured the areas of thm and counted the various boxes. He is still waiting on his 85% payment.

Base price

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

What are the farming organisations' opinions on the delay in payments to us?

From what I can see, their silence is absolutely deafening in relation to GLAS. Years ago there would be a least farmers' protests regarding this issue.

IMO the reason for the farming organisations silence is due to the fact that the payment is small (up to €5000 or €7000 if you are GLAS+) and generally caters for small farmers.

Farmer

I'm guessing that the farm organizations see that the Department are in a mess with this and that no amount of complaints and protests will accelerate the process. Whatever way they sort it out, be it manual payments or more IT or outsourced mapping/parcel experts, It's going to take a while

Therefore they're keeping their powder dry for some other battle, especially one that can be won.

Only a hunch though!

TITANIUM.

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

The psychological warfare continues

Do you think there trying to grind us down?
Or are they trying to sour the milk to help wean us off it in the future?