Dairy chit chat II

Mooooo

Diy here, so whatever price is advertised may get a bit off or maybe a few polly straws thrown in if ordering a good bit. Not sure what local service is charged at. Genomic straws are overpriced glorified test bulls. I get the test pack most years as is same reliability as genomic straws for 6.50 a straw.

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

Diy here, so whatever price is advertised may get a bit off or maybe a few polly straws thrown in if ordering a good bit. Not sure what local service is charged at. Genomic straws are overpriced glorified test bulls. I get the test pack most years as is same reliability as genomic straws for 6.50 a straw.

yes genomic bulls are way over charged imo. Most have very low reliability and you are being charged alomost as much as proven with multiples of the risk, was always part of the test bull schemes here over the years but just looking into costings of it all now.

visatorro

blackdog1 wrote: »

Give them encrypt for 7 days and on powder milk after 3 feeds of beistings . Then when they show signs of getting sick I stomach tube them straight with vitalife scour powder( amazing stuff). That gets them back drinking fairly straight away. Give them 2 sachets and sorts them. Takes them a week to get over the scour and then into a fresh disenfected pen and they never look back. Im nearly certain they are picking it up from the mother teat at the first feed so I'm gonna get a pasteuriser I think. Should have one just in case of johnes anyway. I had zero problems when calving in the paddocks. Pens are power washed and disenfected with hydrogen peroxide and so are feeders so I'm pretty certain it's a calving pen issue.

I'm having the same issues here. No hassle outside. Lost one calf already and another looking at me funny this evening.
Is encrypt an alternative to halocur? Where can you get the vitalife scour powder ?
Do people have faith in the testing kits?

whelan2

visatorro wrote: »

I'm having the same issues here. No hassle outside. Lost one calf already and another looking at me funny this evening.
Is encrypt an alternative to halocur? Where can you get the vitalife scour powder ?
Do people have faith in the testing kits?

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiQ2bug-NjQAhXNFsAKHUA6CnYQFgggMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vitalifeforcalves.ie%2F&usg=AFQjCNHVA7OAIYTR2hkTrXGjZfHy-LeSlg&sig2=AHtlwhea5b-zjTFZWOPK-Q

visatorro

Would it be a different product to effydral?
Historical problem here was not treating a calf soon enough. And relying on injections rather than rehydration. Dunno where I seen a graph about symptoms / dehydration. Calf add slower to drink is 5% dehydrated or something!

Mooooo

visatorro wrote: »

Would it be a different product to effydral?
Historical problem here was not treating a calf soon enough. And relying on injections rather than rehydration. Dunno where I seen a graph about symptoms / dehydration. Calf add slower to drink is 5% dehydrated or something!

That's a big thing. Used to throw milk in to calves and do a few things and come back, now I stay with them watch slow drinkers or the whores that just knock the one next to them off the teat.

visatorro

Mooooo wrote: »

That's a big thing. Used to throw milk in to calves and do a few things and come back, now I stay with them watch slow drinkers or the whores that just knock the one next to them off the teat.

You'd wonder if these automatic feeders could tell you straight away if a calf was drinking slower, they'd be worth it if you were busy. That's what happens here. Milk fired into trough - everyone up - run away.

blackdog1

Encrypt is OK but vitalife is the key. You can get it from Duggan veterinary. Biggest thing with calves is keep them warm. Just bought a pasteuriser today. I'll let you know how I get on with it. O don't want calves who get sick and better I want calves who stay healthy

jaymla627

blackdog1 wrote: »

Encrypt is OK but vitalife is the key. You can get it from Dungannon veterinary. Biggest thing with calves is keep them warm. Just bought a pasteuriser today. I'll let you know how I get on with it. O don't want calves who get sick and better I want calves who stay healthy

Calf jackets are a brilliant job to for a sick one, had a lady here last year who from birth didn't drink for 10 days, till she finally took a bottle, only for the jacket she wouldn't of lived was unbelievable the heat it retained

blackdog1

Yea the thing to remember is when people get sick they lose weight, calves don't have the fat to lose and then they die of hyper thermia. As soon as they go off there food and you already have a problem with crypto, salmonella or rota, put them straight on vitalife and a heat lamp. Should recover and let the virus run it coarse for a week, keep them well bedded and then when you think they're getting better straight into a clean disenfected pen that doesn't have a build up of bugs. By right we should be disinfecting calving sheds and calve pens weekly but who has the time.... Most farmers are stretched already with workload.

Oh and is Duggan veterinary. Vitalifeforcalves.ie

whelan2

Back on every day collections. Cant be too much milk around at this time of year

Timmaay

whelan2 wrote: »

Back on every day collections. Cant be too much milk around at this time of year

I hope glanbia give you free bulk tank detergent ha!

whelan2

Timmaay wrote: »

I hope glanbia give you free bulk tank detergent ha!

And pay my electricity bill. Chance would be a fine thing

Mooooo

whelan2 wrote: »

And pay my electricity bill. Chance would be a fine thing

No harm to bring it up with them. No doubt they'd charge if twas the other way round. Get some discount or something

blackdog1

whelan2 wrote:

Back on every day collections. Cant be too much milk around at this time of year

Dairygold supplier here, truck driver told me he's going to 4 days now. I personally think dg don't want winter milk suppliers any more.

Water John

Winter milk is not used for infant formula and cheese is more difficult. You could be right, Blackdog.

farmerjj

blackdog1 wrote: »

Dairygold supplier here, truck driver told me he's going to 4 days now. I personally think dg don't want winter milk suppliers any more.

Were back to 2day collection again, was 3day for the last 6wks, must be short of milk.

trixi2011

anyone have any trouble with swans and geese grazing paddocks over winter ? any legal ways of getting rid of them ? over 60 swans grazing my first closed up paddock they wont be long clearing it

Mooooo

trixi2011 wrote: »

anyone have any trouble with swans and geese grazing paddocks over winter ? any legal ways of getting rid of them ? over 60 swans grazing my first closed up paddock they wont be long clearing it

Banger? What's law over there with hunting? I assume swans are protected but geese?

trixi2011

going looking for one this week to see if it works was told before a swan will eat as much as a sheep. Geese aunt as bad they are very easily scared off but the bloody swans keep coming back. We are the only farm in the locality who don't graze sheep over the winter seems to be why they come here. Some of the geese are legal to shoot and some are not , killing a swan is classed as treason over here

kowtow

Mooooo wrote:

Banger? What's law over there with hunting? I assume swans are protected but geese?

All swans belong to the Queen, and they are counted every year.

Serious protection.

Waffletraktor

trixi2011 wrote: »

going looking for one this week to see if it works was told before a swan will eat as much as a sheep. Geese aunt as bad they are very easily scared off but the bloody swans keep coming back. We are the only farm in the locality who don't graze sheep over the winter seems to be why they come here. Some of the geese are legal to shoot and some are not , killing a swan is classed as treason over here

portek lazer much help, tad expensive for limited use though.

Signpost

After noticing a few of cows starting to cough over the weekend so fearing the worst and assuming its a lung worm problem from the wet year. Whats the go to these days for cows in dry period? Can't use Ivomec anymore I don't think but is there an equivalent thats safe to use with a 60 day dry period?

Mooooo

Would a fluke and worm drench do, albex or something similar. If cows are in long enough it should cover fluke as well

jaymla627

Signpost wrote: »

After noticing a few of cows starting to cough over the weekend so fearing the worst and assuming its a lung worm problem from the wet year. Whats the go to these days for cows in dry period? Can't use Ivomec anymore I don't think but is there an equivalent thats safe to use with a 60 day dry period?

Use noromection here, think it's in our around 60 days withhold period for milk

Timmaay

18 cows dried off this morning. Had a milker in, he milked while I dried off cows just after the cluster came off. Wayyy better than drafting them back around and having a full row after the milking, where they tend to dung everywhere! 6 more to dryoff in a week or so which will leave me at 4rows over Xmas, another row in Jan after which I'll prb throw them all OAD for their few weeks before it all kicks back off again mid Feb.

whelan2

Timmaay wrote: »

18 cows dried off this morning. Had a milker in, he milked while I dried off cows just after the cluster came off. Wayyy better than drafting them back around and having a full row after the milking, where they tend to dung everywhere! 6 more to dryoff in a week or so which will leave me at 4rows over Xmas, another row in Jan after which I'll prb throw them all OAD for their few weeks before it all kicks back off again mid Feb.

Will you be ok for filling your liquid quota?

GrasstoMilk

Timmaay wrote: »

18 cows dried off this morning. Had a milker in, he milked while I dried off cows just after the cluster came off. Wayyy better than drafting them back around and having a full row after the milking, where they tend to dung everywhere! 6 more to dryoff in a week or so which will leave me at 4rows over Xmas, another row in Jan after which I'll prb throw them all OAD for their few weeks before it all kicks back off again mid Feb.

Wouldn't agree. You've much more time to spend with each cow by doing them after milking making sure everything is clean and tidy etc .
Only time you can influence next years scc so may as well take it easy

Timmaay

whelan2 wrote: »

Will you be ok for filling your liquid quota?

3rows is 42cows, liquid quota is 374l/day, surely to God they'll manage 9l/day average ha, even if OAD. Not definitely going to go oad tho, depends on scc etc, but for the 3rows it will be hard to justify the extra electricity, detergent etc to turn on the parlour tad.

Talking about liquid milk, I heard what is hopefully just a pure rumour this morning, that there might be a protein cap on liquid milk moving forward, where you won't be paid for anything over likes of 3.4%p on the liquid part over the winter? Sounded barmey enough 2bh, anyone else heard anything similar?

Timmaay

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Wouldn't agree. You've much more time to spend with each cow by doing them after milking making sure everything is clean and tidy etc .
Only time you can influence next years scc so may as well take it easy

Don't worry I certainly wasn't rushing, if anything most rows I was waiting on the milker, as he needed to wipe down all the cows 1stly. If I had 18 in a row the very end, I'd be definitely losing concentration the last few cows, and throw in them dunging down etc, I definitely won't be going back to that anyday soon.