Dairy chit chat II

whelan2

Had a near disaster here this evening, young lad went out to do cubicles straight from school. Normally comes in to me for a chat first. I was milking. He didnt know we had changed around groups of cows and he let the dry cows to the parlour after the ones I was milking. Good job they have good spray and red tape on them. Took a bit of sorting, no one was to blame

blackdog1

whelan2 wrote:

out of interest do you vaccinate with rotavec corona?

No but I have a quick test kit that does for rota, ecoli, crypto and I test every calf bbefore I treat. They usually have a weak reading for crypto. Never had rota this year.

Water John

Crypto is an occyst and is difficult to get rid of. One of the buggers will make you ill.

Buford T. Justice XIX

blackdog1 wrote: »

Give them encrypt for 7 days and on powder milk after 3 feeds of beistings . Then when they show signs of getting sick I stomach tube them straight with vitalife scour powder( amazing stuff). That gets them back drinking fairly straight away. Give them 2 sachets and sorts them. Takes them a week to get over the scour and then into a fresh disenfected pen and they never look back. Im nearly certain they are picking it up from the mother teat at the first feed so I'm gonna get a pasteuriser I think. Should have one just in case of johnes anyway. I had zero problems when calving in the paddocks. Pens are power washed and disenfected with hydrogen peroxide and so are feeders so I'm pretty certain it's a calving pen issue.

I was looking at those earlier today while looking for 3-4l bags for storing colostrum. Apply for price so they must be dear. I think Dairymaster have one on the market.

whelan2

blackdog1 wrote: »

No but I have a quick test kit that does for rota, ecoli, crypto and I test every calf bbefore I treat. They usually have a weak reading for crypto. Never had rota this year.

I too have crypto here, since I started doing with rotavec corona it has reduced the problem. In saying that I do all spring born calves with halocur 12ml for first 3days from birth , along with the rotavec corona biestings and continuous powerwashing and disenfecting. Autumn calvers all calved outside, didnt use any halocur or rotavec. Lost 1 calf through my own fault . Also find the effydral tablets great.

blackdog1

I'm looking at mullinahone coop. They do a 14 litre one for 495 delivered.

Also looking for those bags let me know how you get on.

Buford T. Justice XIX

blackdog1 wrote: »

I'm looking at mullinahone coop. They do a 14 litre one for 495 delivered.

Also looking for those bags let me know how you get on.

I was looking for faster ways of thawing frozen colostrum and ended up looking at freezer bags and pasteurisers:pac:

blackdog1

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I was looking for faster ways of thawing frozen colostrum and ended up looking at freezer bags and pasteurisers:pac:

http://dairytechinc.com/colostrum-management-perfect-udder

this is what im looking for hopefully they ship... that and a pasteuriser and hope fully ill be set

UNISON ENGINEERING SERVICES LTD
Phone:
011-353-87-685-8844
Copyright 2012 Dairy Tech

these boys supposedly sell it in ireland

Water John

Nice kit. Think you need higher temps for crytpo? For drinking water you have to boil it.

blackdog1

Water John wrote: »

Nice kit. Think you need higher temps for crytpo? For drinking water you have to boil it.

anything above 73 degrees Celsius kills crypto instantly.. the mullinahone one goes to 80 i specifically asked.

Water John

Thanks for that Blackdog, good to know.

visatorro

Excuse my ignorance but is crypto passed thru cows milk?

blackdog1

visatorro wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but is crypto passed thru cows milk?

more on the dirt on the cows teats id say but they say 10% of cows can carry it

stretch film

blackdog1 wrote: »

anything above 73 degrees Celsius kills crypto instantly.. the mullinahone one goes to 80 i specifically asked.

what state will the colostrum be in after those temps.....

stretch film

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I was looking for faster ways of thawing frozen colostrum and ended up looking at freezer bags and pasteurisers:pac:

i have a water boiler with the thermostat set to 30 degrees.
i usually freeze the colostrum in 2l bottles (half filled) on their edge.

blackdog1

stretch film wrote: »

what state will the colostrum be in after those temps.....

will be thicker so it will take longer to stomach tube

https://www.extension.umn.edu/agriculture/dairy/calves-and-heifers/pasteurizing-milk-and-colostrum-for-calves-presentation.pdf

benefits and problems explained here.

kowtow

Buford T. Justice V wrote:

I was looking at those earlier today while looking for 3-4l bags for storing colostrum. Apply for price so they must be dear. I think Dairymaster have one on the market.

They are 2 or 3 hundred from memory. Not sure if they have an agitator in or not?

Mooooo

Holm and laue have a water bath system with bags or narrow bottles for biestings, that's probably the one dairymaster have they are the agents here I think. NO doubt a a fine price with it. I think it's in the h&L website

Mooooo

Mooooo wrote: »

Holm and laue have a water bath system with bags or narrow bottles for biestings, that's probably the one dairymaster have they are the agents here I think. NO doubt a a fine price with it. I think it's in the h&L website

http://holm-laue.de/coloquick.php

GrasstoMilk

We just use freezer bags here with the double lock.
Have them in a cooler box in the freezer itself should something go wrong that the rest of the freezer isn't ruined.
Stocks are nearly depletted now though with neighbours getting the odd bag every so often

visatorro

Twas kevthegaff that was looking about cull cows. Group of 8 made 500 average. 750 for big framed stores. 250 for very light first calvers. None with much condition. It's not as if they were being starved. Getting meal all year. I'd say much of a muchness killing them. Finishing stock is not my game. Sold outta the yard BTW.

stretch film

blackdog1 wrote: »

will be thicker so it will take longer to stomach tube

https://www.extension.umn.edu/agriculture/dairy/calves-and-heifers/pasteurizing-milk-and-colostrum-for-calves-presentation.pdf

benefits and problems explained here.

That's the worry when blitzing the colostrum. Killing the good stuff.
First year vaccinating with rotacorona and vet is strong on thawing slowly and at 30/40

whelan2

25% of autumn calvers ai'd there now. Using fr2249 and lck today

Buford T. Justice XIX

Dairy NZ magazine

http://www.dairynz.co.nz/publications/inside-dairy/inside-dairy-december-2016/

hurling_lad

Nitrates derogation may not be allowed after review next year - Irish Farmers Journal

Would be bad news if this materialises

Mooooo

hurling_lad wrote: »

Nitrates derogation may not be allowed after review next year - Irish Farmers Journal

Would be bad news if this materialises

Bollix to that anyway. Haw many towns letting raw sewage out again...

Coolfresian

whelan2 wrote: »

25% of autumn calvers ai'd there now. Using fr2249 and lck today

Lck is a great bull. Have used a lot of his straws the last few years. Great milk and delighted with the cows after him I have milking. Always found I got a lot more heifer than bull calves after him.

jaymla627

hurling_lad wrote: »

Nitrates derogation may not be allowed after review next year - Irish Farmers Journal

Would be bad news if this materialises

I hope all the processors especially glanbia who are ready to pull the trigger on more shiny new processing wait to see how this pans out it effectively means a fairy farmer will be stuck at 2-2.5 cows ha unless he can obtain our has alot of land not part of the milking block to dilute is n/ha, either that our simply just sell your entitlements and farm away haha.....
Also throws up a curve-ball re cow type and grass based highly stocked systems with cows producing 4000-5500 litres, you'd imagen their would be reversal back to your 7500 litre plus leggy hols to help keep production up when the option of increasing stocking rate isnt their

Water John

Ten in Cork alone, Mooo.

Water John

Blind tasting, all three picked Irish milk;

http://www.independent.ie/storyplus/simply-the-best-putting-irish-milk-to-the-test-35259867.html