Dairy chit chat II

jaymla627

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Tylosin is the one you want. I think Tylovet isn't indicated for pregnant cows. Check with your vet.

Mycotil has to be given by your vet, it isn't allowed to be given by a non vet as is has serious side effects if a drop gets on your skin.

If injected into humans accidental it's fatal, causes cardiac arrest, brilliant for treating pneumonia in calves too

Buford T. Justice XIX

mahoney_j wrote: »

Tylovet def for high scc cows ,have one heifer over 200 k on all 4 recordings this year and vet prescribed it to me to use at dry off

Ok. One vet gives the Tylosin to pregnant cows and Tylovet, which is much cheaper, to non pregnant cows. The other gives whichever is left in his jeep.

Mooooo

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Ok. One vet gives the Tylosin to pregnant cows and Tylovet, which is much cheaper, to non pregnant cows. The other gives whichever is left in his jeep.

Use tylan or tylosin here no difference between one just generic products. tylovet is the same I assume? Drug company be on a hiding to nothing you'd think if it can't be used on pregnant animals

Buford T. Justice XIX

Mooooo wrote: »

Use tylan or tylosin here no difference between one just generic products. tylovet is the same I assume? Drug company be on a hiding to nothing you'd think if it can't be used on pregnant animals

Don't know, he is fairly on the ball and I couldn't fault him on charging tbh. He was saying a while back that it can be associated with foetal losses?

Buford T. Justice XIX

Lots of stuff in this link on OAD milking if there are still a few interested.

http://www.dairynz.co.nz/animal/herd-management/once-a-day-milking/full-season-once-a-day-oad-milking/

RightTurnClyde

mahoney_j wrote: »

Correct ,tylovet is what ur after .50 cc each side of neck or 20 cc daily for 5 days .

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Ok. One vet gives the Tylosin to pregnant cows and Tylovet, which is much cheaper, to non pregnant cows. The other gives whichever is left in his jeep.

I'm treating 2 lame dry cows with Tylosin at the moment 20cc/day. So will Tyslosin 50cc x 2 into the neck do the same job ???
They're dry and out in a field for their feet, it would be very handy if I could just do them in the neck once.

cute geoge

I have a lame cow as well ,very swelled around hoof with mortellaro ,is tylosin ang good for this also i am spraying with euthricin

kowtow

cute geoge wrote:

I have a lame cow as well ,very swelled around hoof with mortellaro ,is tylosin ang good for this also i am spraying with euthricin

Me too, not sure what the cause and will have a look tomorrow but she decided not to come up to milk tonight. Will dry her off and get her looked at.

greysides

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

I'm treating 2 lame dry cows with Tylosin at the moment 20cc/day. So will Tylosin 50cc x 2 into the neck do the same job ???
They're dry and out in a field for their feet, it would be very handy if I could just do them in the neck once.

Personally, I'd prefer the longer regime. Also, 20ml per day is only enough for 400 Kg cows which is a bit light........

Something like 33ml daily for 3 days would be more rational. Longer course at correct dosage rate. For lameness, you may need to continue longer than 3 days too.

greysides

cute geoge wrote: »

I have a lame cow as well ,very swelled around hoof with mortellaro ,is tylosin ang good for this also i am spraying with euthricin

Treatment of digital dermatitis:
Individual cows must be treated by removing any underrun horn and applying an antibiotic spray (eg
oxytetracycline) twice a day for 3-5 days to a washed and dried lesion. Also check the other foot for
lesions and treat if present. Injectable antibiotics are of limited use, the only registered treatment being
Tylan.
If multiple cases of DD are present, the provision of a footbath reduces labour. The herd should be put
through a pre-treatment water bath and then a medicated footbath of 3 meter length, 1 meter width with a
10-12 cm fluid depth. This should be done twice daily for 3 consecutive days. It can be repeated at
intervals of 2-4 weeks depending of the size of the problem. The following solutions can be used:
- lincospectin- 150 g per 200 ltr of water (treatment) 150 g per 400 ltr (control)
- tylosin- 100 g per 100ltr (treatment) 100 g per 200 ltr (control)
- erythrocin- 400 g per 200 ltr
- oxytetracycline- 6-10 g per ltr
- formalin- 2-5%
- copper sulphate- 5-10%
- zinc sulphate- 10%
Beware that none of these products are licensed for use in a footbath. Furthermore, cows should not be
allowed to drink the solution as they can be toxic and can result in detectable antibiotic levels in the milk.
Formalin is hazardous to human health and should not be used near the milking parlour. Correct disposal
of the solutions should be taken care of and can be difficult (a mat or minimal solution bath will reduce
drug usage).

http://www.parklandsvets.co.uk/Portals/Parklands/Docs/Cattle%20Fact%20Sheets/Fact%20sheet%20Digital%20Dermatitis.pdf

Keepgrowing

cute geoge wrote: »

I have a lame cow as well ,very swelled around hoof with mortellaro ,is tylosin ang good for this also i am spraying with euthricin

I don't know what injection to use but I'd highly recommend HealMax. It can be got for a foot bath but you can also get in gel form in a spray bottle. Spray on infected foot each milking and it'll clear.

We were using Formalin and perecetic acid and found it good. We reluctantly changed to Healmax because of price but I must say we won't be going back to form. Local farm store should have it.

kevthegaff

Find cows respond well to first round of antibiotics but if get lame again they don't, agree with keep growing foot bath, spray. I had a problem last winter and formalin/bluestone done the bizz. Had to foot pair also.

kowtow

Keepgrowing wrote:

I don't know what injection to use but I'd highly recommend HealMax. It can be got for a foot bath but you can also get in gel form in a spray bottle. Spray on infected foot each milking and it'll clear.

Keepgrowing wrote:

We were using Formalin and perecetic acid and found it good. We reluctantly changed to Healmax because of price but I must say we won't be going back to form. Local farm store should have it.

Do you just spray or footpath etc. With any kind of lameness in the foot or do you have to positively diagnose the cause first?

Have cow lame on rear left foot, no easy means of lifting foot.. what am I looking for?

whelan2

Around here we are moving away from footbathing as it can spread the problem. Individual treatments and also being treated early helps too

RightTurnClyde

whelan2 wrote: »

Around here we are moving away from footbathing as it can spread the problem. Individual treatments and also being treated early helps too

What treatment did you go with?

mahoney_j

Keepgrowing wrote: »

I don't know what injection to use but I'd highly recommend HealMax. It can be got for a foot bath but you can also get in gel form in a spray bottle. Spray on infected foot each milking and it'll clear.

We were using Formalin and perecetic acid and found it good. We reluctantly changed to Healmax because of price but I must say we won't be going back to form. Local farm store should have it.

+1 healmax ,savage stuff

whelan2

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

What treatment did you go with?

Lincocin powder mixed up in a squirty bottle

RightTurnClyde

whelan2 wrote: »

Lincocin powder mixed up in a squirty bottle

Mixed At Footbath rates?

whelan2

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Mixed At Footbath rates?

No. Stronger. Done twice a day for 3 days

awaywithyou

mahoney_j wrote: »

+1 healmax ,savage stuff

Where do ya get it???

awaywithyou

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

I'm treating 2 lame dry cows with Tylosin at the moment 20cc/day. So will Tyslosin 50cc x 2 into the neck do the same job ???
They're dry and out in a field for their feet, it would be very handy if I could just do them in the neck once.

I give 20 tylosin and 20 synulox for 4 or 5 days.... Seems to work well....

DKDairy

is it good time of year to do soil tests now?

Keepgrowing

DKDairy wrote: »

is it good time of year to do soil tests now?

From now on

Mooooo

Is it 6 weeks after last application of fert/ slurry?

Keepgrowing

Mooooo wrote: »

Is it 6 weeks after last application of fert/ slurry?

Should be 7 unless he applied some K

Buford T. Justice XIX

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Should be 7 unless he applied some K

'Twas Dairy washings...

kevthegaff

It b a sin not to!

DKDairy

Mooooo wrote: »

Is it 6 weeks after last application of fert/ slurry?

yeah it is..opened pit today and looks like there was still a touch of nitrogen in the grass when it was being cut.should i be giving anything else to the stock when feeding this? being fed to weaniling dairy hefiers..incalf suckler hefiers and weanling bullocks

Mooooo

DKDairy wrote: »

yeah it is..opened pit today and looks like there was still a touch of nitrogen in the grass when it was being cut.should i be giving anything else to the stock when feeding this? being fed to weaniling dairy hefiers..incalf suckler hefiers and weanling bullocks

Get the silage tested, they are all young stock so a bit of protein may help but test will tell for sure. Maybe just put in enough that they'll finish in a day see how they go on it and how it lasts at the feed face. Keep an eye for any cud being put back up.

whelan2

out of interest what are people paying per straw for genomic/proven bulls (ball park figure) and service cost , also cost of repeats.