Dairy chit chat II

Timmaay

freedominacup wrote: »

Go with inch and a quarter at least if you're going to replace it.

Hmm 1km in total of 3/4inch isn't worth a sh1t at all ughhhh. Afternoon wasted pricking about at it all. Wounder can I get the pressure bumped up on the Well ha. Plan B could be to scrap tryin to graze that whole side of the farm for now 2bh.

visatorro

Timmaay wrote: »

Hmm 1km in total of 3/4inch isn't worth a sh1t at all ughhhh. Afternoon wasted pricking about at it all. Wounder can I get the pressure bumped up on the Well ha. Plan B could be to scrap tryin to graze that whole side of the farm for now 2bh.

Bite bullet and buy more pipe. I wasted my time here boloxing with pressure with pipes that were half blocked with silt and limestone.

Mooooo

Fecking nearly wet enough for the cows to go back in now, bollix of a March down here anyway. Cow that calved the other day wouldn't stop pacing up and down the field today and stopped the rest from settling as well

jaymla627

Timmaay wrote: »

Hmm 1km in total of 3/4inch isn't worth a sh1t at all ughhhh. Afternoon wasted pricking about at it all. Wounder can I get the pressure bumped up on the Well ha. Plan B could be to scrap tryin to graze that whole side of the farm for now 2bh.

Can you plumb it into your washdown pump, thats how we work here with well water going into a 2000 litre storage tank and water pumped to all paddocks from these, only using 3/4 inch and its working perfect

pedigree 6

jaymla627 wrote: »

Can you plumb it into your washdown pump, thats how we work here with well water going into a 2000 litre storage tank and water pumped to all paddocks from these, only using 3/4 inch and its working perfect

If that works it could work here too.
I've a 4500 litre tank that takes the plate cooler water and rainwater off half of the sheds for the volume washer. But I could possibly get more water off more sheds plumbed into it too.

Good idea.:):)

Wildsurfer

Mooooo wrote: »

Fecking nearly wet enough for the cows to go back in now, bollix of a March down here anyway. Cow that calved the other day wouldn't stop pacing up and down the field today and stopped the rest from settling as well

Keep the faith Moo, we're nearly there. The rain is getting warmer. Cows in here tonight on zero grazed grass in case a heavy deluge comes tonight but hopefully the good dry weather will return in time for start of second round. Need to clean out these paddocks that were poorly grazed in first rotation to set them up for rest of year.

jaymla627

pedigree 6 wrote: »

If that works it could work here too.
I've a 4500 litre tank that takes the plate cooler water and rainwater off half of the sheds for the volume washer. But I could possibly get more water off more sheds plumbed into it too.

Good idea.:):)

Works perfect, live on the side of a hill here with half the grazing block above the well, was quoted 2500 euro for a boaster pump to pump it uphill, yoked up the water fittings to the washdown pump trying my luck and it hasn't missed a beat in 3 years, your ballcock fittings need to be A1 though as the extra water flow can cause the jfc ones to stick open

Timmaay

jaymla627 wrote: »

Can you plumb it into your washdown pump, thats how we work here with well water going into a 2000 litre storage tank and water pumped to all paddocks from these, only using 3/4 inch and its working perfect

I'll see how long it's taking to fill the last trough, by the look of the flow into it when I hooked it up I'd say 20mins or so, I might get away with putting an ibc just before it, only need an extra ball cock and fitting out of the ibc.

atlantic mist

Mooooo wrote: »

Fecking nearly wet enough for the cows to go back in now, bollix of a March down here anyway. Cow that calved the other day wouldn't stop pacing up and down the field today and stopped the rest from settling as well

were back in tonight so your not alone, only half of farm 1st grazed ground just too soft

Mooooo

atlantic mist wrote: »

were back in tonight so your not alone, only half of farm 1st grazed ground just too soft

Same here only 50% grazed. 18 acres too wet for slurry with umbilical or fert as well. All dry ground grazed so all it takes is showers for wetter half to turn to ****e as well

Sam Kade

How much meal would a cow need to eat to get enough cal-mag? They are out day and night getting as much grass as they can eat but between fighting at the trough and cows only half interested in meal I wonder are they getting enough cal-mag.

Mooooo

Sam Kade wrote: »

How much meal would a cow need to eat to get enough cal-mag? They are out day and night getting as much grass as they can eat but between fighting at the trough and cows only half interested in meal I wonder are they getting enough cal-mag.

It can be set in the load per what you're feeding, tell the rep your feeding rate and it will be set accordingly. If still worried you could get the dust maybe to be safe

Injuryprone

Sam Kade wrote: »

How much meal would a cow need to eat to get enough cal-mag? They are out day and night getting as much grass as they can eat but between fighting at the trough and cows only half interested in meal I wonder are they getting enough cal-mag.

Depends on what level you've put into the nut. 2oz per day i think the calmag level is supposed to be. That's assuming sucklers have the same demand as dairy

whelan2

Sam Kade wrote: »

How much meal would a cow need to eat to get enough cal-mag? They are out day and night getting as much grass as they can eat but between fighting at the trough and cows only half interested in meal I wonder are they getting enough cal-mag.

Enough in 3.5kg here

Buford T. Justice XIX

Sam Kade wrote: »

How much meal would a cow need to eat to get enough cal-mag? They are out day and night getting as much grass as they can eat but between fighting at the trough and cows only half interested in meal I wonder are they getting enough cal-mag.

It should say on the delivery docket, Sam.

Feeding 3 kgs of ration here and calmag set to be given at 2.25kgs.

Buford T. Justice XIX

I'm trying to do up my bull list for ICBF but I'm running into a bit of a problem. I've selected the bulls for the cows, have 12 used, but I want to pick easy calving bulls for the heifers and none of the bulls are near what I would like to use.

Is there any way of keeping the 12 I've picked and manually adding the 3 bulls for the heifers or will I have to expand the list to include the 3 bulls for the heifers and manually pick the 15 bulls and then allocate them to cows and heifers?

Signpost

If you go into 'Manually Enter Bulls' is one way to do it, there is a few different ways of just selecting the bulls for heifers thou if you want me to look at the others?

GrasstoMilk

What are ye paying for ration?
265€ 16% high maize and barley based

yewtree

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

What are ye paying for ration?
265€ 16% high maize and barley based

€258 three way mix maize, distillers, soya hulls, minerals calmag for 2 kg feeding rate.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Signpost wrote: »

If you go into 'Manually Enter Bulls' is one way to do it, there is a few different ways of just selecting the bulls for heifers thou if you want me to look at the others?

Thanks for that.

I accepted all the bulls selected for cows and it allowed me on to select the heifers bulls manually. Just waiting for confirmation of my bulls now before saving it.

blackdog1

yewtree wrote:

€258 three way mix maize, distillers, soya hulls, minerals calmag for 2 kg feeding rate.

I'm 280. High maize, Soya bean wheat and barley. Have yeasac, bicarbonate soda and it cubed. You shouldn't use distillers when on grass as it's the same protein. God I miss Dawg's advice. Huge loss to boards

Timmaay

Using a maize/barley /soya hulls based nut here, mixed 50 50 with rolled barley. I've been told soyahulls are good while at grass, decent level of fibre in them which will definitely be lacking in fresh grass. Mind you the same Chap who told me that was trying to sell me a soyahulls based nut for about 80e more than straight soyahulls so I said nay at the time ha.

yewtree

blackdog1 wrote: »

I'm 280. High maize, Soya bean wheat and barley. Have yeasac, bicarbonate soda and it cubed. You shouldn't use distillers when on grass as it's the same protein. God I miss Dawg's advice. Huge loss to boards

Not sure about same kind of protein? Do you mean the distillers is to high at 26% protein to feed at grass?
Ration works out at 14.5% protein and. 96ufl as fed.

blackdog1

yewtree wrote:

Not sure about same kind of protein? Do you mean the distillers is to high at 26% protein to feed at grass? Ration works out at 14.5% protein and. 96ufl as fed.

No as dawg explained you have 2 types of protein . Distillers is the same as grass so it's a waste of money using it with grass...better off using soya bean or hulls.

yewtree

blackdog1 wrote: »

No as dawg explained you have 2 types of protein . Distillers is the same as grass so it's a waste of money using it with grass...better off using soya bean or hulls.

I am not sure about that. Are you talking about the PDI value? Every feed has both a Pdie and Pdin value the lower of the two values is what can be truly digested. If you meet the cows requirements for truly digestible protein i cant see what difference it would make. Both soya bean and distillers are limited by the pdie value

charolais0153

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=99213667

mf240

Soya would be supposed to be the best protein source at grass .

I'm wondering though could you nearly forget about protein in the meal and just pack in as much energy as possible as grass would have more than enough protien

dar31

mf240 wrote: »

Soya would be supposed to be the best protein source at grass .

I'm wondering though could you nearly forget about protein in the meal and just pack in as much energy as possible as grass would have more than enough protien

It's actually a hard job to get merchants to sell you a low pr high energy ration for dairy cow. They always want to add something extra to drive up the price. As a regular here under many incarnations suggested moons ago beef rations are great value.
FeedING a 13 % .96 ulf beef ration last two years to great effect and a fraction of the prices being mentioned.

yewtree

dar31 wrote: »

It's actually a hard job to get merchants to sell you a low pr high energy ration for dairy cow. They always want to add something extra to drive up the price. As a regular here under many incarnations suggested moons ago beef rations are great value.
FeedING a 13 % .96 ulf beef ration last two years to great effect and a fraction of the prices being mentioned.

i would agree with that, have found the same myself but usually just make the mix up. I only put distillers in the last load as there is always the possibility that cows might have some silage in the diet this time of year. energy is usually whats limiting in grass based systems.

yosemitesam1

yewtree wrote: »

I am not sure about that. Are you talking about the PDI value? Every feed has both a Pdie and Pdin value the lower of the two values is what can be truly digested. If you meet the cows requirements for truly digestible protein i cant see what difference it would make. Both soya bean and distillers are limited by the pdie value

He was right about rapemeal being nearly all broken down in the rumen but distillers has much more bypass protein, I think its a higher % than soy. Only problem with this is that the amino acids are heavily skewed towards ones that are less likely to be limiting, so it has to be either fed at a high rate and piss away the excess of so.e amino acids or well mixed with the likes of soy to balance it off