Dairy chit chat II

whelan2

They were telling us of a 13 year old cow who tested positive. Negative all other years. 11 calvings with 13 calves on the ground. If the crap hits the fan on a zoonotic front I'd prefer to have been part of the scheme, however dubious it is ,than not be in it. They also spoke of lads who just tested one year and because they got no positive animals they didnt bother after.

Mooooo

whelan2 wrote: »

They were telling us of a 13 year old cow who tested positive. Negative all other years. 11 calvings with 13 calves on the ground. If the crap hits the fan on a zoonotic front I'd prefer to have been part of the scheme, however dubious it is ,than not be in it. They also spoke of lads who just tested one year and because they got no positive animals they didnt bother after.

In fairness our vet wasn't happy with first scheme. He has clients badly hit with it, young cows dying from it. He's of the opinion best practice at calving is all you can do but with bad outbreaks the shear labour requirement is difficult. Did they mention any improvements in the test itself?

whelan2

There was alot of information to take in. Blood first, if positive dung sample. The fact the cost of testing will be covered is great. Main point yes is at calving. Also clean feeding equipment for calves and also no crap on you when feeding the calves

whelan2

Another point was johnes can live in dirt/ dust for over 2years. So if a calf goes to suck its mother the teats are never going to be 100% clean, so it could ingest johnes from her spins/ udder

Keepgrowing

Wondering if a testing scheme at slaughter would be the place to start. From there go on farm if there's a positive?

My concern with the test is it's inaccuracy and hoe it can be distorted by TB testing

freedominacup

whelan2 wrote: »

They were telling us of a 13 year old cow who tested positive. Negative all other years. 11 calvings with 13 calves on the ground. If the crap hits the fan on a zoonotic front I'd prefer to have been part of the scheme, however dubious it is ,than not be in it. They also spoke of lads who just tested one year and because they got no positive animals they didnt bother after.

They've been on about the zoonotic risk since we were in reaseheath. You got the same lecture from the vet lecturer that I did. Nothing has changed since afaik. 25 years is a long time to be trying to prove something without a result.

alps

freedominacup wrote: »

They've been on about the zoonotic risk since we were in reaseheath. You got the same lecture from the vet lecturer that I did. Nothing has changed since afaik. 25 years is a long time to be trying to prove something without a result.

Will our BVD debacle stretch to 25years?

whelan2

alps wrote: »

Will our BVD debacle stretch to 25years?

I was going to mention the bvd scheme last night but thought it was better to stick to the job at hand. If the bvd scheme had the same backing initially as this johnes scheme now has we would be alot further on in getting rid of it

Timmaay

Anyone know why the department need a copy of our partnership tax returns? Letter in the post saying if we don't send it into them they could remove us from their partnership register ha.

Floki

Timmaay wrote: »

Anyone know why the department need a copy of our partnership tax returns? Letter in the post saying if we don't send it into them they could remove us from their partnership register ha.

If you have recently availed of tams between the two of you and would receive a fair sum they may just need a bit of confirmation that everything is above board before paying out or .....maybe just being nosey.:)

(Every cent counts).

oxjkqg

Scanned this morn 9 out of 113 not in calf happy with that

atlantic mist

Timmaay wrote: »

Anyone know why the department need a copy of our partnership tax returns? Letter in the post saying if we don't send it into them they could remove us from their partnership register ha.

its a requirement, you need to submit accounts each year or inform them you have dissolved partnership

Wildsurfer

oxjkqg wrote: »

Scanned this morn 9 out of 113 not in calf happy with that

Well it depends on the length of breeding season... If the bull came out last month I wouldn't be too excited about it! Just wondering why your scanning so late in year?

Buford T. Justice XIX

An interesting article on Farm supports in the US, first time I've seen discussion of supply control in many years.

http://www.agpolicy.org/weekcol/2017/896.html

Panjandrums

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Buford T. Justice XIX

Foe anyone that missed the national Dairy Conference, link in the tweet below for the proceedings

https://twitter.com/teagasc/status/935909624116637696

yewtree

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Foe anyone that missed the national Dairy Conference, link in the tweet below for the proceedings

https://twitter.com/teagasc/status/935909624116637696

I went to it today, not an awful lot new, just get the basics right, but you wont learn much sitting at home either.
There was a big crowd in fairness so there seems to be demand for these conferences bit of debate over on twitter about the amount of dairy conferences

Buford T. Justice XIX

yewtree wrote: »

I went to it today, not an awful lot new, just get the basics right, but you wont learn much sitting at home either.
There was a big crowd in fairness so there seems to be demand for these conferences bit of debate over on twitter about the amount of dairy conferences

Yeah, just looked through that thread. I enjoy them, good chance to come across new ideas and lunch is always interesting with different viewpoints. And catching up with lads as well.

Buford T. Justice XIX

A little bit about the invention of the milking machine, invented 100 years ago.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/99362818/milking-machine-creator-recognised-100-years-after-his-invention-revolutionised-dairy-farming

Mooooo

Going back over old ground again Lads, but what are yer stocking rates over the whole farm including youngstock etc? Is there a figure ye wouldn't go past?

Timmaay

Mooooo wrote: »

Going back over old ground again Lads, but what are yer stocking rates over the whole farm including youngstock etc? Is there a figure ye wouldn't go past?

Around here, I'd happily hit 3 ha. But loads of opportunity to buy in silage and maize. As it happens I'm only at 2.2 now, and no ambition to go back to 3 with the 160ac I have, and no extra labour.

whelan2

Saw this on another forum, does anyone else use it ? https://www.fanevalleystores.com/product/3110069/nettex-roto-corona-plus-calf-care-paste-30g-syringe

GrasstoMilk

Mooooo wrote: »

Going back over old ground again Lads, but what are yer stocking rates over the whole farm including youngstock etc? Is there a figure ye wouldn't go past?

2.9lu/ha is as high as any livestock farm can go.
Curtains in Moorepark are stocked at that and manage fine as far as I know
We're at 2.75 here and managing fine but we buy in a bit of maize just cause I'm still a bit nervous of being short silage . Outfarm needs reseeding, if I can get it reseeded I'll drop the maize I think.
Last time we ran out of fodder we were mostly index one for p and k and low in lime aswell as a lot of old pasture.

trixi2011

What do people dry off there high scc cows with. Any one give tylan or micatil?

Buford T. Justice XIX

trixi2011 wrote: »

What do people dry off there high scc cows with. Any one give tylan or micatil?

I used Micotil last year on 3 cows with very good results on two and the third I shouldn't have used it on at all, old cow, low hanging udder and calved down with mastitis again. The other two had low SCC all year since.

Used it on 5 persistent high SCC cows this year and Noroclav on 3 that had mastitis in the last few weeks before drying off.

It's a bit of a pain having to get the vet out to give it though but it seems to work here.

trixi2011

Did you give it to them on dryoff day or during the dry cow period ? Dried some off today and gave a bottle of tylan but have a few dried last week that could befit from something .

mahoney_j

trixi2011 wrote: »

Did you give it to them on dryoff day or during the dry cow period ? Dried some off today and gave a bottle of tylan but have a few dried last week that could befit from something .

Unless it’s a heifer I wouldn’t bother .works very well on them unless she’s persistently high ,older cows are waste of time only one place for cows with persistent high scc or mastitis problems

Buford T. Justice XIX

trixi2011 wrote: »

Did you give it to them on dryoff day or during the dry cow period ? Dried some off today and gave a bottle of tylan but have a few dried last week that could befit from something .

The Micotil is supposed to be given on dryoff day, 10ccs subcutaneously by the vet. As j said, it works better on younger cows but I got good results on older cows. The two last year were over 1million and 6 and 7 yo cows. Both SCCs down under 200k all year from clots every few weeks and no tube used at all until dryoff.

blackdog1

Well that's this year's grazing finished. Cows were out night b and day until 24th and once a day until now. Been a good season in Cork, was lucky to cut silage early in the good weather. Cows averaging 23 litres @ 4.31 fat 3.65 protein. On 10kg of whole crop, 3kg 21% nut and 5 kg crimp wheat and grass silage.

Gawddawggonnit

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

The Micotil is supposed to be given on dryoff day, 10ccs subcutaneously by the vet. As j said, it works better on younger cows but I got good results on older cows. The two last year were over 1million and 6 and 7 yo cows. Both SCCs down under 200k all year from clots every few weeks and no tube used at all until dryoff.

Mycotil works a treat up to about 2.7mln scc.
30cc intramuscular at dry off administered by vet. Following lactation they’ll be about 40- 70k scc.

I’d be culling way too many only for mycotil.