Dairy chit chat II

cute geoge

Can you tell us how you get away with breaching 250kg/h and being able to get any payments at all !!!
Imo going forward if you have not extra acres to lower stocking rate the dept.will put you out of business .Would you not consider renting map acres rough grazing or the likes €40/acre and still draw your sfp

Buford T. Justice XIX

Quick question.

Do Dairtgold and Glanbia have a collection charge for milk?

Mooooo

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Quick question.

Do Dairtgold and Glanbia have a collection charge for milk?

No unless you go over 15 collections in the month for a bjt but generally you'd get that back if you sort the capacity

jaymla627

cute geoge wrote: »

Can you tell us how you get away with breaching 250kg/h and being able to get any payments at all !!!
Imo going forward if you have not extra acres to lower stocking rate the dept.will put you out of business .Would you not consider renting map acres rough grazing or the likes €40/acre and still draw your sfp

I don't draw any payments simply farming without a sfp, if push comes to shove I can get maps, but you'd be talking 100 euro plus a acre if I could get ground at 40 a acre I'd be laughing simply not available in my area.....
Re getting shut down it's a grey area, after 5 years of going over the 250kgs limit I should of had the kitchen sink threw at us but still haven't

mahoney_j

jaymla627 wrote: »

Last 5 years have exceeded the 250kgs limit and am now going into silly numbers will be up over 500kgs next year, problem is I rent a lot of ground over 5 times my grazing block but haven't the maps and land owners won't allow us to export slurry on paper but 90% of slurry I produce is spread on this ground, have never had a inspection touchwood and I reckon when they have no hold over your re fines on sfp the department don't give a fiddlers but given the crazy numbers of 500kgs plus been put up in the system it will trigger a red flag[/quote
If there’s ever a river polluted in your area etc you’ll be well fooked tho,as whilst u may not be the cause as your figure is so high the onus will be on u to prove that u are not the cause ,consultant reports epa etc ain’t cheap

Gawddawggonnit

degetme wrote: »

Any rough prices for
urea
can
0 7 30?

Urea bb gran 46% = €265/t

34.5%AN Yarra bb gran = €260/t.

Yesterdays prices. 28t loads delivered 30days credit.

Gawddawggonnit

jaymla627 wrote: »

Last 5 years have exceeded the 250kgs limit and am now going into silly numbers will be up over 500kgs next year, problem is I rent a lot of ground over 5 times my grazing block but haven't the maps and land owners won't allow us to export slurry on paper but 90% of slurry I produce is spread on this ground, have never had a inspection touchwood and I reckon when they have no hold over your re fines on sfp the department don't give a fiddlers but given the crazy numbers of 500kgs plus been put up in the system it will trigger a red flag

Wow.

I'm working out my N allowances atm...

Keepgrowing

mahoney_j wrote: »

jaymla627 wrote: »

Last 5 years have exceeded the 250kgs limit and am now going into silly numbers will be up over 500kgs next year, problem is I rent a lot of ground over 5 times my grazing block but haven't the maps and land owners won't allow us to export slurry on paper but 90% of slurry I produce is spread on this ground, have never had a inspection touchwood and I reckon when they have no hold over your re fines on sfp the department don't give a fiddlers but given the crazy numbers of 500kgs plus been put up in the system it will trigger a red flag[/quote
If there’s ever a river polluted in your area etc you’ll be well fooked tho,as whilst u may not be the cause as your figure is so high the onus will be on u to prove that u are not the cause ,consultant reports epa etc ain’t cheap

It takes a special someone to be so wreck less with the environment you live on but the real Darwin moment is putting it up on a public forum.

This isn't a phuckin whatsapp group

Timmaay

Keepgrowing wrote: »

mahoney_j wrote: »

It takes a special someone to be so wreck less with the environment you live on but the real Darwin moment is putting it up on a public forum.

This isn't a phuckin whatsapp group

I'd be certainly keeping my mouth shut also in a similar position, but wreckless with the environment is surely over the top given that he does actually farm enough land for the cows he has, he just doesn't have the maps for them.

Talking about derogation anyways, in the ifj yday there was an article about how you might need enough slurry storage for future derogation, isn't that the case now already?, to apply for derogation you already need your full farmyard plans with all winter accommodation and slurry storage sizes etc?

kowtow

jaymla627 wrote:

Last 5 years have exceeded the 250kgs limit and am now going into silly numbers will be up over 500kgs next year, problem is I rent a lot of ground over 5 times my grazing block but haven't the maps and land owners won't allow us to export slurry on paper but 90% of slurry I produce is spread on this ground, have never had a inspection touchwood and I reckon when they have no hold over your re fines on sfp the department don't give a fiddlers but given the crazy numbers of 500kgs plus been put up in the system it will trigger a red flag

Do you get all the texts about it?

jaymla627

kowtow wrote: »

Do you get all the texts about it?

Yes and letters, out-lining my latest fine on my imaginary sfp, to be fair the local council don't give a fiddlers neighbouring suckler farmer has a 50 acre field as his outwintering pad beside a unfenced river and has never had a visit, neighbours septic tank is following into a field of mine and despite contacting the council on 4 occasions to get it sorted they never even paid the homeowner a visit, and granted planning for a second house and septic tank system on site despite submitting a objection, basically now have a 2 acre field that's unusable but can't really kick up a fuss given my situation

K.G.

But it is only on paper hes at 500kilos.from what i gather he has the land but has no acess to maps.is that correct.if hes not actually polluting what difference does it make

mahoney_j

K.G. wrote: »

But it is only on paper hes at 500kilos.from what i gather he has the land but has no acess to maps.is that correct.if hes not actually polluting what difference does it make

If anything untold be it water contamination or pollution of some form happens said poster will be wide open to having book thrown at him ,the onus will be on him to prove that he ain’t causing it (even tho he may not be )this will be a very costly exercise with various consultants and epa involved ,huge cost .i asked a simillar question to a co co inspector last year and that was his reply

K.G.

mahoney_j wrote: »

If anything untold be it water contamination or pollution of some form happens said poster will be wide open to having book thrown at him ,the onus will be on him to prove that he ain’t causing it (even tho he may not be )this will be a very costly exercise with various consultants and epa involved ,huge cost .i asked a simillar question to a co co inspector last year and that was his reply

By the same token the epa will have to prove nitrates in the river came directly from his farm.different story if it was pollution from his yard or something

Keepgrowing

K.G. wrote: »

By the same token the epa will have to prove nitrates in the river came directly from his farm.different story if it was pollution from his yard or something

They have to prove no such thing in order for them to lobby for greater water source protection, lower nitrate levels, shorter spreading period or more storage on a national basis.

We all have a responsibility, to our environment and to our industry. A non farmer reading this thread will form a view that not based on understanding the paper N levels.

We live in an age where social media is judge, jury and executioner.

Be savvy

mahoney_j

K.G. wrote: »

By the same token the epa will have to prove nitrates in the river came directly from his farm.different story if it was pollution from his yard or something

Yes but seeing as said poster is so far in breach of nitrates regulations (on paper )they can and will pursue u on those grounds and will want unto prove that u are not the problem

whelan2

Have said it on here before. There seems to be different rules for each county , we should all be singing off the one hymn sheet.

Gawddawggonnit

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Wow.

I'm working out my N allowances atm...

Spent a couple of hours this morning working on my nitrates for 2018.
The consultant came up with the figure of 55.5kgN/ha. In my calculations that comes to around 45units/acre...you lads would have my full yearly allowance used by Jan...!!

During a fag break I mentioned to him the 500+kg/ha posted here.
I reckon he thought I was bullsh1tting him...first fine, he said, would be to lose my sfp and then I'd be brought up as an environmental bandit in front of a judge and would be severely fined. Would also/probably lose my right to farm.

Some difference between two countries...

Buford T. Justice XIX

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Spent a couple of hours this morning working on my nitrates for 2018.
The consultant came up with the figure of 55.5kgN/ha. In my calculations that comes to around 45units/acre...you lads would have my full yearly allowance used by Jan...!!

During a fag break I mentioned to him the 500+kg/ha posted here.
I reckon he thought I was bullsh1tting him...first fine, he said, would be to lose my sfp and then I'd be brought up as an environmental bandit in front of a judge and would be severely fined. Would also/probably lose my right to farm.

Some difference between two countries...

Except he's not at 500kgs, Dawg, he's under the 250max iirc, but doesn't have the maps to show it

Gawddawggonnit

Keepgrowing wrote: »

They have to prove no such thing in order for them to lobby for greater water source protection, lower nitrate levels, shorter spreading period or more storage on a national basis.

We all have a responsibility, to our environment and to our industry. A non farmer reading this thread will form a view that not based on understanding the paper N levels.

We live in an age where social media is judge, jury and executioner.

Be savvy

+1.
Easy give a dog a bad name.

Would the completely lax attitude to the environment be a result of the fact that councils/local authorities are also huge polluters?

Gawddawggonnit

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Except he's not at 500kgs, Dawg, he's under the 250max iirc, but doesn't have the maps to show it

I wonder would a judge understand?
I know that if I was at that level I'd be posting this from jail...


Lookit, I've fired out as much (or more) N as anyone over the years, but 'perception' is very important to the industry.
Should those green washed ads by Bord Bia greenwash the rivers and coastal waters to be a little more authentic?

Buford T. Justice XIX

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I wonder would a judge understand?
I know that if I was at that level I'd be posting this from jail...


Lookit, I've fired out as much (or more) N as anyone over the years, but 'perception' is very important to the industry.
Should those green washed ads by Bord Bia greenwash the rivers and coastal waters to be a little more authentic?

Greenwashing works both ways, Dawg.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057811633

And a particularly bright greenwashed forum...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=572

Now tell me which is closer to reality?:)

leg wax

we sat down at a random glanbia table last night,to discover that we were the biggest supplier at our table ,and we are only milking 64....:eek:

Willfarman

My brother is the biggest sheep farmer in 30 miles radius here.
He has 22 ewes so I was gobsmacked at this but then
He's 6foot 4. Weighs 24 stone.

yosemitesam1

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Greenwashing works both ways, Dawg.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057811633

And a particularly bright greenwashed forum...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=572

Now tell me which is closer to reality?:)

I wouldn't worry too much about what they're saying. It's the distrust of modern farming and the loss of biodiversity that will change how things are done.

Saw a thread on Facebook a few days ago, talk of the "green desert" and monocultures from people who wouldn't have been as well informed a few years ago.

The changes being made to the hedge cutting laws is also leading to a lot of discontent and bad publicity for farmers.

Wildsurfer

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Spent a couple of hours this morning working on my nitrates for 2018.
The consultant came up with the figure of 55.5kgN/ha. In my calculations that comes to around 45units/acre...you lads would have my full yearly allowance used by Jan...!!

During a fag break I mentioned to him the 500+kg/ha posted here.
I reckon he thought I was bullsh1tting him...first fine, he said, would be to lose my sfp and then I'd be brought up as an environmental bandit in front of a judge and would be severely fined. Would also/probably lose my right to farm.

Some difference between two countries...

Whats your limit there though, I presume its much more than 55kgN/Ha and your just not using your allowance? A bag of Urea in the whole year... You may as well go organic and your halo will shine even brighter. And you picked up on one extreme example posted here , most of us would prefer to stay out of derogation territory and not be subject to the attentions of the dept. My first year in derogation and I've had 3 inspections, two on farm and one satellite.

alps

Just to explain to some onlookers that derogation is not a bad thing...

We need to farm with a derogation as our own farm area is relatively small...so we farm with the help of and in cooperation with 2 neighbours whose farms are not of a scale to give them a full time living. They grow grass and winter fodder for our animals, and we take the slurry produced from our stock their ground to give it vital nutrients for both the soil and for the crops...

This system helps to Keep 3 families living and contributing to the countryside. The system, judging by paper regulations may look quiet intensive, but spread out over the amount of ground we actually utilise, it is not.

This is the same with most of, if not all of the farms that farm under derogation regulations in Ireland. It is a planned, permission based system that allows farmers to work together to spread nutrients where needed and where they will be of most benefit, and in a way that will not pollute...

Gawddawggonnit

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Whats your limit there though, I presume its much more than 55kgN/Ha and your just not using your allowance? A bag of Urea in the whole year... You may as well go organic and your halo will shine even brighter. And you picked up on one extreme example posted here , most of us would prefer to stay out of derogation territory and not be subject to the attentions of the dept. My first year in derogation and I've had 3 inspections, two on farm and one satellite.

I'm certainly not picking on anyone!

My limit is 55.5kgN whether I use it or not. I'd go organic dairy and beef in a heartbeat but I couldn't/wouldn't with tillage. Organic beef/dairy is a farce...same antibiotics etc allowed!

Maybe it's time for a change is all I'm saying. The establishment have nailed their colors on the nitrate derogation as being all important for dairy in Ireland. Not so.
When I came here first I was well used to growing wwheat at 220-250uN per acre and now I get on just fine with 50units. The technology and know how is already there.
If the "grass fed, green washed, wholesome" image of Irish dairy is to be any way sustainable then wrecking the environment to produce it is insane.

Maybe it's time to call out the whole industry??
The nitrates regulations in Ireland are a joke. I know well that anybody can buy as many artics of fert as they like and be invoiced as anything but fert...!
The nitrates 'averaging' across the whole country is a joke...the authorities don't even know nor care how much chemical fert is imported into Ireland!!
The import/export of organic manure between farms is a joke...maps are all that gets imported/exported.
The whole system is a joke!

My nitrates are calculated on mineral nitrogen soil tests to a depth of 90cm, number of animals on farm and all imported organic manures. All manure must have two samples tested p.a.
I've absolutely no chance of buying a few falsely invoiced artics of fert either!
That's pretty much how to regulate nitrates. Farm by farm, field by field, paddock by paddock.

For an industry to stand on its high and mighty pedestal, claiming to produce the most natural, wholesome produce while destroying the environment is not sustainable.

If there were to be a decent, in depth, 'Prime Time Investigates' type of undercover program, what kinda Pandora's box would be opened?

The mind boggles.

GrasstoMilk

Don't forget dawg the average French farm is probably 10 times the size of the average Irish farm.
Heck of a lot easier to make a living if you've got ten times the infrastructure.
Land prices are also crazy here compared to France.
Not disagreeing with your opinion but that's how I see it.

Floki

I've said it before you have to be careful what you post here.
Post a lie and the lie becomes a truth.

Maybe some people have seen fert being able to be invoiced as something else.
I've never seen it but maybe I'm too small fry for this to work.

Teagasc have been doing trials and with our grass and conditions are taking and utilizing the nitrogen spread. Can't see anyone wanting to waste it. Our tonnage per hectare of grass that can be grown here is three times what would be grown in the south west of France.

Oh I heard an alien spacecraft has landed in carlow looking for some poontang.