Dairy chit chat II

Floki

Signpost wrote: »

getting a lot of visits from the pri*cks of no fixed abode the last few weeks, fortunately in the yard basically constantly so no issue yet but thinking an automatic gate is going to be a necessary investment. How does this fare out with the milk truck does anyone know? Do I need one with number plate recognition or give them a fob or how do people deal with this issue? Not much point getting it if its open over night for 2am collection every second night

Thinking of something like this myself sometime down the line.
Talking to the milk Lorry driver here and as far as I could tell in a few places the gates are worked off gsm mobile phone coverage kind of like the switches for fencers. So when they are a couple of miles away they send a message and by the time they arrive the gate is open.
The milk Lorry driver will probably know of a few places with them.

leg wax

a super job for the high ace men,, we gave a fob for each lorry driver as not to piss them off.

George Sunsnow

Yeah the ones with mobile phone sims will accept usually calls from 5 phones and you need to nominate them
Considering this myself
The cousins have one that blocks access to the yard and 3 bungalows - great job

Gawddawggonnit

jaymla627 wrote: »

The rod been made for farmers back re nitrates by our esteemed government local authorities and the Eu is pretty laughable when you consider 10 tons of raw sewerage a minute is being pumped into rivers and seas nationwide with 44 plants having no treatment facilities with a pipe simply running into the nearest sea/waterway....
I might be very cynical but it's a massive pisstake the whole system, the EPA/local authority can shut you down if they take a notion our make you spend a fortune to comply with nitrates regulations but they on the other hand are above all reproach and only for the fact the EU is threatening massive fines to get the sewerage plants in order noting would be done and infact isn't been done as the funding doesn't exist of course their was the whole Irish water dibacle but that's another days work....
In real world terms my nitrates are under 170kgs/ha but to get them right on paper I'd be looking at forking out 20 odd grand extra a year to get hold of maps on ground I rent,am already paying 500 euro a hectare so it's a no go

+100.
Some joke!
Are your figures correct? 10 tons of raw sewage a minute!!
Jesus wept.

I'll explain a little more about my neck of the woods...
I'm farming mostly in a county roughly the size of Galway. Like Galway it's a coastal county where between 5.5 and 6 million tourists visit those beaches every year. Another 11.5 to 12 million visit the rural areas...hence the environment is very important when there are up to 18 million visitors every year.
Agriculture is highly intensive with tillage, pigs, poultry, dairy and beef. There is a 25yr waiting list for planning permission for new piggeries...
All (except possibly some beef) are highly intensive operations with the land being very rich from such activities.
I've a lot of land in the catchment area of a 180acre manmade lake that's used for drinking water for a number of market towns and villages...therefore it's strictly regulated.


The Irish solution to pollution is dilution. Keep polluting and the rains will dilute it away...
It's a bit 'Irish' to be lumping extensively farmed space outside, with the same regulations as an intensively farmed area like the dairy belt in Munster. Yes it helps the farmers in the intensive areas by allowing them to use more nitrates because lads west of the Shannon use a lot less. I won't even extrapolate that idea to explain the madness...by that thinking land on top of the Pyrenees that's (almost!) organic should alleviate the polluting effects of my little plot hundreds of kilometers away! Ffs.

Imo, dairy and tillage are the biggest users of nitrates but dairying gets harder squeezed because cows produce shyte and crops don't. The nerve that I touched,imho, is the fact that expansion 2099 is depending on derogations and slight of hand accounting of nitrates. Not very sustainable (and not to be spoken out loud).

I did suggest more than once that there's another way, but interestingly, nobody asked. Funny that.


No need to get all worked up lads...it's only the musing of an ill-mannered vegan...

Water John

Ireland is divided into 8 river basin areas. Each of these would have an monitoring and improvement plan. The most complicated, is the Shannon, as it involves 11 County Councils.

Buford T. Justice XIX

https://twitter.com/teagasc/status/934761244493565952

thisyear

herdwatch, agrinet or kingswood lads? pros and cons?

whelan2

thisyear wrote: »

herdwatch, agrinet or kingswood lads? pros and cons?

Have agrinet. They have an app coming out soon. Happy enough with them

Keepgrowing

thisyear wrote: »

herdwatch, agrinet or kingswood lads? pros and cons?

If you're looking for basic compliance Herdwatch is good and user friendly.

If however, it's a management package I'd recommend Agrinet

kevthegaff

Keepgrowing wrote:

If you're looking for basic compliance Herdwatch is good and user friendly.

Keepgrowing wrote:

If however, it's a management package I'd recommend Agrinet

How much are these?

yewtree

thisyear wrote: »

herdwatch, agrinet or kingswood lads? pros and cons?

I use herdwatch find it very good for compliance, Wouldnt be without it.
i use agrinet for grass, never used their wider package but any reports i have heard are very good.
still using the teagasc excel programme for cash flows and financial recording, there is definately something better than that.

orm0nd

kevthegaff wrote: »

How much are these?

HerdWatch 130 per year

they had a BF offer of 18 months for the price of 12 , might still be on,

you can get a month's free trial in any case

whelan2

Due to cutbacks at Glanbia there will be no 8th of December this year

Buford T. Justice XIX

whelan2 wrote: »

Due to cutbacks at Glanbia there will be no 8th of December this year

Saves you a fortune, won't have to go to Dublin shopping:P

freedominacup

whelan2 wrote: »

Due to cutbacks at Glanbia there will be no 8th of December this year

That's no accident. Count the days in the December account period.

whelan2

freedominacup wrote: »

That's no accident. Count the days in the December account period.

we get two 6th of Decembers and no 8th

Floki

Just to remind everyone your dairy herd health cert is supposed to be in by Dec 1st this year.

Got mine delivered into the milk office today.

(Probably getting text reminders anyway).

orm0nd

Floki wrote: »

Just to remind everyone your dairy herd health cert is supposed to be in by Dec 1st this year.

Got mine delivered into the milk office today.

(Probably getting text reminders anyway).

ours won't as we're doing the herd test next week

I know that the cert is now good for 12 months from the date that it signed (not the calendar year as previous)

I also thought the deadline was the 31st Dec.

Floki

orm0nd wrote: »

ours won't as we're doing the herd test next week

I know that the cert is now good for 12 months from the date that it signed (not the calendar year as previous)

I also thought the deadline was the 31st Dec.

1st Dec with Glanbia now anyway starting this year.
It must be the same for everyone since the form comes from the dept.

I know a few lads who are getting caught out with vets who think it's still the 31st Dec.

Doubt it'll be a major issue but that's it anyway.

alps

Floki wrote: »

1st Dec with Glanbia now anyway starting this year.
It must be the same for everyone since the form comes from the dept.

I know a few lads who are getting caught out with vets who think it's still the 31st Dec.

Doubt it'll be a major issue but that's it anyway.

Pretty sure it only needs to be in date so as to supply milk....you could even get it signed in January before you recommence supplying in Feburary for instance.

Buford T. Justice XIX

alps wrote: »

Pretty sure it only needs to be in date so as to supply milk....you could even get it signed in January before you recommence supplying in Feburary for instance.

I imagine it's different if you are producing all year round, no collection till the cert goes in so it would have to be in on time.

kevthegaff

Floki wrote:

Just to remind everyone your dairy herd health cert is supposed to be in by Dec 1st this year.

It's a real sack of ****e

whelan2

kevthegaff wrote: »

It's a real sack of ****e

You dont have to send in a list of the cows tag numbers anymore so it's no big job to fill it in

orm0nd

Floki wrote: »

1st Dec with Glanbia now anyway starting this year.
It must be the same for everyone since the form comes from the dept.

I know a few lads who are getting caught out with vets who think it's still the 31st Dec.

Doubt it'll be a major issue but that's it anyway.

Last year's cert was good for the calendar year 2017. Any cert from here on is good for 12 months from the date it was signed.. A couple of days should be loads of time for the co ops to get the info on their system.

They expect farmers to run through hoops to accommodate them. F#ck them

whelan2

I went to AHI Johnes meeting last night, new scheme seems to be great, plenty of funding, hopefully it will work well

Mooooo

whelan2 wrote: »

I went to AHI Johnes meeting last night, new scheme seems to be great, plenty of funding, hopefully it will work well

Whats the new scheme entail?

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

Whats the new scheme entail?

More testing.which is funded by dept of ag and any positive animals will be dung tested and the cost of this will be covered too. No positive animals can be sold to another farm only to factory

trixi2011

whelan2 wrote: »

Mooooo wrote: »

Whats the new scheme entail?

More testing.which is funded by dept of ag and any positive animals will be dung tested and the cost of this will be covered too. No positive animals can be sold to another farm only to factory

Sound like a great scheme if it was to be rolled out nationwide. Battling with jonnies last few years with alot of extra effort being put in around calving , looked like we were winning the battle till the last test we got an explosion of new cases , very hard to stop the spread of the disease .

whelan2

At the moment its just for those who have been in the scheme up to now. New scheme will be rolled out for everyone else in 2018. I think the fact you cant sell a positive animal to another farm is a great move

Mooooo

New tb rules will interfere with it tho. I'll be tb testing every 6 months if i go clear in next one Was in first scheme had one cow came back inconclusive, tested her again twice one positive one negative. Shes 10 years old, asked vet would she have it he said at that age shed be fcuked if she did. There was no advice from the scheme then so didnt bother with it after that. Given the failure to improve the tb test I have serious concerns 're the ability to test for johnes