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Milk Price III

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    #242
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    darragh_haven wrote: »
    I got a tour of the Strathroy Dairy plant today. They are gearing up to be the major player in the long term. No suits walking around either. Very impressive and lean operation

    We're dry for the winter and we use our own milk when milking.
    But I hate to say this but after trying out a few brands of milk, the nearest we can get to our own milk is Strathroy. So when buying now we only buy cartons with the code 224 on the back.
    The others we tried were just water.:rolleyes:(and not good water)


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    #243
    Keepgrowing
    Registered Users Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Keepgrowing


    Can we deal in facts here and leave the personal crap onside?


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    #244
    darragh_haven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭darragh_haven


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    We're dry for the winter and we use our own milk when milking.
    But I hate to say this but after trying out a few brands of milk, the nearest we can get to our own milk is Strathroy. So when buying now we only buy cartons with the code 224 on the back.
    The others we tried were just water.:rolleyes:(and not good water)

    I can't see how one brand pf milk differs fom another? But then again, I've almost no sense of taste


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    #245
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users Posts: 6,877 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Keepgrowing wrote:
    Can we deal in facts here and leave the personal crap onside?


    I'd say unlikely. But hey that's the entertainment..


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    #246
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,120 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    It could do with the the way it may be homogenised. A larger fat globule would give it a diff taste.

    BTW Growing, most suppliers on here to GII, take their processors actions personally, when it leaves less money in their pockets for their families.


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    #247
    visatorro
    Registered Users Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Is it wrong to classify contract milk as a fixed price iykwim? Milk all year round here. I found that I was fooked only for contract milk. That's why I never signed up for any scheme's. Talking to different lads there was varying opinions of how they got on.


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    #248
    Timmaay
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    visatorro wrote: »
    Is it wrong to classify contract milk as a fixed price iykwim? Milk all year round here. I found that I was fooked only for contract milk. That's why I never signed up for any scheme's. Talking to different lads there was varying opinions of how they got on.

    I've never signed up to a fixed price scheme, and thats part the reason, liquid is semi fixed in my view.


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    #249
    pedigree 6
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    darragh_haven wrote: »
    I can't see how one brand pf milk differs fom another? But then again, I've almost no sense of taste

    I don't know, when you're so used to drinking your own you'll cop the difference straight away.
    I suppose if it was the other way round and you were drinking a certain brand the whole time and you were offered milk from the tank you'd see a difference straight away.

    As far as we can taste strathroy take nothing from the milk but the others do??:confused:


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    #250
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    My take is if there is a buyer of the milk at a fixed price then fair enough it is what it is but if it's just an amount fixed financed by dropping regular price then it's bollix. I assume those not happy voiced there concerns at meetings or with board reps? I know I vent on here as well but it's not much good unless it's said to those involved. Kg is right first thing to do is see how it would fit in within the farm gate. Giving out here won't change much either get on to reps / boards or get involved. If enough people are vocal they'll have to listen


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    #251
    cute geoge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,864 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Went for a drop of milk this morning from the fridge for my weetabix and blast not a duck left in carton ,but spotted a small bottle that came with a mcdonalds meals a way back a month a ago stuck at back of fridge .dated use by nov28 this should be well dozed but smelled ok,took a sip ,tasted like the day it was bought but how in gods name this can be still fresh 3 weeks later


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    #252
    Coolfresian
    Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭Coolfresian


    Tbh I'm concerned that by having the schemes especially when prices are rising that milk proccessors might be slow to rise the price too quick so as not too have the fixed schemes at lower prices looking like a disaster.
    I'd prefer them not to be offered at all and pay the best market price possible across the board instead and I'm not alone in thinking that.


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    #253
    Coolfresian
    Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭Coolfresian


    darragh_haven wrote: »
    I got a tour of the Strathroy Dairy plant today. They are gearing up to be the major player in the long term. No suits walking around either. Very impressive and lean operation

    Are they still looking for new suppliers? Very interested in changing my supplier when my contract ends and have 4 options in my area luckily.


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    #254
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭alps


    These fixed price schemes surely have their place, and at a point in time can be beneficial to a farmer. Its certainly a very individual decision based on circumstances all round.

    However I really don't like the "rewarding loyalty" tag that seems to be attaching to some of these schemes. If these schemes are genuine, you should have the right to say yes or no to any of them, to make the business decision that best suits your farm, to take your own gamble on the future market. If you continue to supply your milk to the coop, that should qualify you as "loyal"


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    #255
    blue5000
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    cute geoge wrote: »
    Went for a drop of milk this morning from the fridge for my weetabix and blast not a duck left in carton ,but spotted a small bottle that came with a mcdonalds meals a way back a month a ago stuck at back of fridge .dated use by nov28 this should be well dozed but smelled ok,took a sip ,tasted like the day it was bought but how in gods name this can be still fresh 3 weeks later

    Was it UHT milk?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #256
    cute geoge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,864 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Was it UHT milk?

    The national dairy council logo on the back so unlikely uht .I must say it tasted superb but gods knows what preservatives were in it


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    #257
    FarmerDougal
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    blue5000 wrote: »
    Was it UHT milk?

    Nobody drinks that cause it's sh1te!


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    #258
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭alps


    FarmerDougal wrote: »
    Nobody drinks that cause it's sh1te!

    Any of the supermarkets in Europe have pallets and pallets of it and you'd have a job finding a fridge with a few bottles of fresh stuff....


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    #259
    GrasstoMilk
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    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    I don't know, when you're so used to drinking your own you'll cop the difference straight away.
    I suppose if it was the other way round and you were drinking a certain brand the whole time and you were offered milk from the tank you'd see a difference straight away.

    As far as we can taste strathroy take nothing from the milk but the others do??:confused:

    They do. They take off the whey I think.
    That's part of the building work they've just done if i remember correctly.
    Now they can expand there product range. Before this they had to sell it on and had to take the price they were offered iykwim


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    #260
    darragh_haven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭darragh_haven


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    They do. They take off the whey I think.
    That's part of the building work they've just done if i remember correctly.
    Now they can expand there product range. Before this they had to sell it on and had to take the price they were offered iykwim

    The building work recently was an evaporater, this was to sort out the problem of spring calving herd peak milk supplies. As you say, they had to take what they were given for their excess milk. But not any more.


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    #261
    darragh_haven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭darragh_haven


    Coolfresian wrote: »
    Are they still looking for new suppliers? Very interested in changing my supplier when my contract ends and have 4 options in my area luckily.

    Still yaking suppliers, but not actively pursuing atm. You'll have to contact them for details as i dont know anything beyond that


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    #262
    Waffletraktor
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    darragh_haven wrote: »
    Still yaking suppliers, but not actively pursuing atm. You'll have to contact them for details as i dont know anything beyond that

    How does it make sense that Ni milk suppliers are wanting to come south due to bad prices up norn atm :confused:


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    #263
    Timmaay
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    alps wrote: »
    Any of the supermarkets in Europe have pallets and pallets of it and you'd have a job finding a fridge with a few bottles of fresh stuff....

    And be bloody careful about what you think is fresh stuff then! Took a mouthful outa a carton of what I thought was fresh milk I'd just after bought in Belgium, was buttermilk, I had to spit it straight out haha.


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    #264
    darragh_haven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭darragh_haven


    Waffletraktor wrote: »
    How does it make sense that Ni milk suppliers are wanting to come south due to bad prices up norn atm :confused:

    I honestly don't know. I was only there looking at the shiney automated machinery. Are the guys in NI getting a worse price than in the Republic?


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    #265
    kowtow
    Registered Users Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    alps wrote:
    However I really don't like the "rewarding loyalty" tag that seems to be attaching to some of these schemes. If these schemes are genuine, you should have the right to say yes or no to any of them, to make the business decision that best suits your farm, to take your own gamble on the future market. If you continue to supply your milk to the coop, that should qualify you as "loyal"


    Quite. It's an implicit option and makes a nonsense of the 'business like' nature of the scheme. It's not a volatility defence because you can't price the option, it's an inducement and when I see an inducement my instant reaction is to ask why the counterparty thinks I need one.

    Nevertheless if I was a glanbia supplier I'd consider it if only for a portion of supply .... when in Rome etc...


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    #266
    whelan2
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    Glanbia milk cheques in accounts this morning.


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    #267
    Coolfresian
    Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭Coolfresian


    Its a pity they cant get the statements up on glanbia connect quicker.


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    #268
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,092 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Coolfresian wrote: »
    Its a pity they cant get the statements up on glanbia connect quicker.

    Yes. I mentioned it in the survey thingy. Used to always be online on 16th


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    #269
    Keepgrowing
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    Water John wrote: »
    It could do with the the way it may be homogenised. A larger fat globule would give it a diff taste.

    BTW Growing, most suppliers on here to GII, take their processors actions personally, when it leaves less money in their pockets for their families.

    I totally accept that but emotion has to left out of this decision. The kinda crap ORide is spouting doesn't help anyone.

    We were in first 2 schemes and lost slightly so as a result didn't get large allocations in later schemes. I'm not crying about it unlike some. I'm not suggesting there's a Cabal sitting in an office making judgements based on a personality, I just made the wrong decision.

    Btw, I'm not saying anyone should or shouldn't partake in the latest schemes but should make a business call not an emotional one.


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    #270
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,092 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    If someone hasn't applied for any of the schemes so far will they get any allocation in the next scheme or are they only open to those who were in before?


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    #271
    ArKl0w
    Closed Accounts Posts: 787 ✭✭✭ArKl0w


    whelan2 wrote: »
    If someone hasn't applied for any of the schemes so far will they get any allocation in the next scheme or are they only open to those who were in before?

    This is the rub
    No transparency offered on allocations,just a catch all phrase about existing participants being given priority which actually worsens transparency if there was any and there isn't
    The jehohavas witness comparison and Orwell animal farm comments earlier seem apt in that context

    All members should be treated equally with fixed price schemes End of if we're supposed to be in a Co Operative

    Here's the definition of Co operative by the way :

    '
    A cooperative (also known as co-operative, co-op or coop) is an autonomous association of people united voluntarily to meet their common economic, social and cultural needs and aspirations through a jointly owned and democratically controlled business.


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