Road issues that irritate me.......

Sam Kade · 14-01-2017 01:49AM

durtybit wrote: »

Dangerous if you have to swerve to avoid, but it if you have plenty of room slow down to the merging traffic where is the danger?

The dope merging is supposed to keep their eyes open to oncoming traffic, why should aproaching traffic have to take action?

Sam Kade · 14-01-2017 01:52AM

red ears wrote: »

People pulling out in front of you and leaving you to hit the breaks to avoid a crash. They know you have seen them and have plenty of time to slow down but its really annoying all the same.

What are these breaks people keep referring to?

mikeymouse · 14-01-2017 01:53AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

The dope merging is supposed to keep their eyes open to oncoming traffic, why should aproaching traffic have to take action?

Courtesy

durtybit · 14-01-2017 01:58AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

The dope merging is supposed to keep their eyes open to oncoming traffic, why should aproaching traffic have to take action?

If it safe to merge the can. Frankly if you don't take action you might cause an accident.

Sam Kade · 14-01-2017 02:00AM

mikeymouse wrote: »

Courtesy

durtybit wrote: »

If it safe to merge the can. Frankly if you don't take action you might cause an accident.

But it isn't safe to merge.

mikeymouse · 14-01-2017 02:05AM

If merging from a slip road ie. at speed. then you either move out or slow down to let them on.
If they are joining from a standstill , they must wait and not cause you to hit the brakes.

durtybit · 14-01-2017 02:47AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

But it isn't safe to merge.

I'm sure plent of people have merged safely

dr.fuzzenstein · 14-01-2017 07:35AM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Hazard warning lights used to "thank " a driver who has pulled in (illegally )over the hard shoulder line to let them pass .

It is not illegal. It is illegal to drive on the hard shoulder on the motorway , but on a normal road you are allowed to pull in and let traffic pass.

NiallBoo · 14-01-2017 09:04AM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

It is not illegal. It is illegal to drive on the hard shoulder on the motorway , but on a normal road you are allowed to pull in and let traffic pass.

It's legal, but can still be a bad a bad idea.

You often see people pulling in where there's bend coming up or the road is about to narrow.

OldMrBrennan83 · 14-01-2017 09:25AM

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Pinch Flat · 14-01-2017 09:40AM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

It is not illegal. It is illegal to drive on the hard shoulder on the motorway , but on a normal road you are allowed to pull in and let traffic pass.

I don't believe this is true. You're allowed to pull into the hard shoulder to pass a car turning right. Its not legal to drive in it, if I'm doing the limit or close to it and someone wants to pass me, there's no obligation on me to pull over and let them pass.

NiallBoo wrote: »

It's legal, but can still be a bad a bad idea.

You often see people pulling in where there's bend coming up or the road is about to narrow.

The hard shoulder is also used by cyclists and pedestrians.

NiallBoo · 14-01-2017 11:00AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

The hard shoulder is also used by cyclists and pedestrians.

kind of the point I was making. When someone pulls in on a bend they don't know what's around the corner and could cause themselves to be pinned on the hard-shoulder with someone in their path.

AndrewJRenko · 14-01-2017 01:24PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

What are these breaks people keep referring to?

Ask the Irish Times and/or AA Roadwatch
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/ice-and-snow-still-an-issue-on-routes-across-country-aa-1.2935754

MadDog76 · 14-01-2017 01:57PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Ask the Irish Times and/or AA Roadwatch
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/ice-and-snow-still-an-issue-on-routes-across-country-aa-1.2935754

Sam was referring to the word "breaks" when it should be "brakes".

AndrewJRenko · 14-01-2017 02:11PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Sam was referring to the word "breaks" when it should be "brakes".

Yes so was the Irish Times. :rolleyes:

maudgonner · 14-01-2017 02:14PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Sam was referring to the word "breaks" when it should be "brakes".

Yes, and that article has advice from the AA that makes the same mistake:

AA Roadwatch also advised drivers to use major routes where possible as they are more likely to have been gritted than secondary roads. If drivers skid on the roads, they should not break fast, but reduce acceleration and gears to stop gradually.

MadDog76 · 14-01-2017 02:20PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Yes so was the Irish Times. :rolleyes:

maudgonner wrote: »

Yes, and that article has advice from the AA that makes the same mistake:

*shrug* Wasn't ar5ed reading the link ......... but thanks anyway. :cool:

dr.fuzzenstein · 14-01-2017 05:24PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I don't believe this is true. You're allowed to pull into the hard shoulder to pass a car turning right. Its not legal to drive in it, if I'm doing the limit or close to it and someone wants to pass me, there's no obligation on me to pull over and let them pass.

The hard shoulder is also used by cyclists and pedestrians.

Yes, the hard shoulder can be used by cyclists or pedestrians. It's not always a good idea to drive in it. But it's not illegal and the ROR makes specific mention of it:

This road contains a hard shoulder, which is normally only for pedestrians and cyclists.
If a driver wants to allow a vehicle behind them to overtake, they may pull in to the hard shoulder briefly as long as no pedestrians or cyclists are already using it and no junctions or entrances are nearby.
Different rules exist for hard shoulders on motorways. See Section 11 for details

http://www.rotr.ie/Rules_of_the_road.pdf

As for your obligation to pull over, well, if you're trailing 20 cars for an hour, yes, you are obliged to pull over:

https://www.joe.ie/news/a-farmer-in-mayo-has-been-banned-from-driving-for-12-months-after-causing-a-massive-tailback/492297

edit:
A slightly better link than Joe(groan).ie
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/tractor-driver-who-caused-11km-tailback-banned-from-driving-672090.html

But that is an extreme example.

Means Of Escape · 14-01-2017 11:20PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

It is not illegal. It is illegal to drive on the hard shoulder on the motorway , but on a normal road you are allowed to pull in and let traffic pass.

If you strike someone or a stationary vehicle driving on the hard shoulder on either a motorway or primary road your insurance will wash their hands of you
Furthermore a truck pulling in to let you pass when clearly you should wait until you can pass without the truck pulling in .
It may have to pull out suddenly if a vehicle appears as it pulls out of a minor road junction which is inherently dangerous
Hard shoulders are not to be driven on and are designed to facilitate people to pull in and stop .

Sam Kade · 14-01-2017 11:40PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

*shrug* Wasn't ar5ed reading the link ......... but thanks anyway. :cool:

Same here

Who has time for reading links?

Sam Kade · 14-01-2017 11:42PM

maudgonner wrote: »

Yes, and that article has advice from the AA that makes the same mistake:

Surely it's the idiot writing the article that made that mistake? Break fast

red ears · 14-01-2017 11:54PM

You know a thread is dying a death when 2 pages are spent discussing a spelling mistake.

JohnBoy26 · 14-01-2017 11:57PM

Incorrectly installed headlight bulbs that blind the sh1te out of other road users.

Means Of Escape · 15-01-2017 12:16AM

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Incorrectly installed headlight bulbs that blind the sh1te out of other road users.

Xenon headlights that are as powerful as landing lights on a jet even on low beam !

dr.fuzzenstein · 15-01-2017 07:16AM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

If you strike someone or a stationary vehicle driving on the hard shoulder on either a motorway or primary road your insurance will wash their hands of you
Furthermore a truck pulling in to let you pass when clearly you should wait until you can pass without the truck pulling in .
It may have to pull out suddenly if a vehicle appears as it pulls out of a minor road junction which is inherently dangerous
Hard shoulders are not to be driven on and are designed to facilitate people to pull in and stop .

Yeah, but it's not illegal.

blade1 · 15-01-2017 07:26AM

When someone is up your hole and when you pull in to leave them pass, they take forever to pass you!

Means Of Escape · 15-01-2017 10:58AM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Yeah, but it's not illegal.

Will you get a ticket from a Garda if you drive on the hard shoulder on a primary road ?
Can one drive on the hard shoulder if there is a traffic jam and one is not turning left further up the road ?

dr.fuzzenstein · 15-01-2017 11:24AM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Will you get a ticket from a Garda if you drive on the hard shoulder on a primary road ?
Can one drive on the hard shoulder if there is a traffic jam and one is not turning left further up the road ?

A: Not sure, they may not like it when you drive on it for miles on end
B: Absolutely. The Gards are regularly waiting at the end of the N21 just before Adare, where people pass the usual several km long traffic jam into Adare and the "remember" they wanted to go straight all along. And only bloody right for arseholes like that.

But it is OK to briefly move into the hard shoulder to let someone pass. Except on the motorway where the only reason anyone should being the hard shoulder is because their engine has expired in a cloud of smoke and a shower of cogs and springs. Not for a fag break, not to answer the phone, admire the scenery, p*ss over the guard rail, contemplate the endlessness of the cosmos, etc. That is properly dangerous and idiotic.

AndrewJRenko · 15-01-2017 11:25AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Same here Who has time for reading links?

Fair enough - then try to avoid commenting on the posts that include those links if you don't have time to read them.

Sam Kade wrote: »

Surely it's the idiot writing the article that made that mistake? Break fast

Who knows? Many journalists today are cut/paste jockeys who are delighted to have folks like the AA write their articles for them, so it could well have come directly from the AA.

Angel Crow · 16-01-2017 02:36AM

People who turn left at straight green arrows.

People who beep at others who don't turn left at straight green arrows.

Road issues that irritate me.......

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