Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

A Little Pony

Who cares? I mean really, the population couldn't care less about that.

Junkyard Tom

A Little Pony wrote: »

Who cares? I mean really, the population couldn't care less about that.

Your far-removed, dependent, pseudo-British nationalism is clouding your ability to see the bigger picture.

darkpagandeath

Hang on Is this right some clown is trying to take a case here on Brexit ????

Grayson

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Hang on Is this right some clown is trying to take a case here on Brexit ????

Yeah. But it's not to stop brexit. The legal thinking at the moment is that once article 50 is implemented it's irreversible. He wants the EU courts to rule on a matter of EU law and say if it is or not. However for that to happen a senior judge has to refer it to the EU court and the UK judges aren't doing that. So if he asks for clarification in an Irish court, the Irish court will kick it up to the EU court and he'll get his answer.

Basically he wants to know if the UK can trigger article 50, negotiate for two years and then if it doesn't like the result of the negotiations, just change it's mind.



https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/dec/09/irish-courts-to-be-asked-to-intervene-in-brexit-legal-process-article-50

At the supreme court hearing this week, virtually all parties argued their claims on the basis that once UK withdrawal begins it is irrevocable.

It was assumed the UK could not change its mind and choose to remain in the EU if it was dissatisfied with the outcome of negotiations before the two-year period elapsed.

Academic lawyers, however, have suggested that had the government adopted a different approach it would have had a greater chance of winning the supreme court case.

Senior judges in any EU country can refer disputed issues of EU law to the Luxembourg court for clarification. It is unlikely the case initiated by the prominent London QC Jolyon Maugham would reach Luxembourg and be decided before the UK gives formal notice to Brussels by the end of March.

One of the main arguments advanced by Eurosceptics for Brexit is that it would enable the UK to escape the interfering jurisdiction of “foreign” judges.

Maugham, who has been in touch with supportive MPs and MEPs, estimates it needs to raise £70,000 through crowdfunding to finance the case.

He has had to go through the Irish courts because UK judges have made every effort to keep the article 50 appeal out of the hands of European judges.

There's also this part.

Maugham’s claim will also question whether Brexit was triggered in October when Theresa May told the EU council the UK would be leaving. Since then the EU has appointed negotiators and has been behaving as though the UK is on a departure trajectory, Maugham says.

If it has been triggered then the commission is in breach of its treaty duties through wrongly refusing to commence negotiations with the UK, Maugham says. If it has not, the council and Irish state are in breach of their treaty duties in wrongly excluding the UK from council meetings.

The claimants will argue that they suffer a prospective deprivation of their rights associated with these breaches and that to resolve these disputes it will be necessary to refer these questions to the court of justice of the European Union.

Maugham said: “Put aside the legal niceties. What no one can dispute is that there are incredibly important questions to answer.

“Should parliament control the terms on which we Brexit? Could we have a referendum on the final deal – or is the consequence of triggering article 50 that we will leave the EU whatever the terms?

Fratton Fred

Grayson wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/09/nigel-farage-scathing-attack-ukip-low-grade-people

I actually laughed out loud when I read the bit in bold.

I hope Nigel is a success in whatever he does next. He needs to be, because he owes the NHS £350m per week.

Grayson

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I hope Nigel is a success in whatever he does next. He needs to be, because he owes the NHS £350m per week.

Was that him though. There were two groups campaigning to leave and I think his was the other one.

Not that I like the smug little prick in the slightest, but I don't think he had anything to do with the 350 a week claim.

volchitsa

Grayson wrote: »

Was that him though. There were two groups campaigning to leave and I think his was the other one.

Not that I like the smug little prick in the slightest, but I don't think he had anything to do with the 350 a week claim.

I thought that too, but when I checked it out, it looks like Philip Hammond started it but then good old Nige picked up on it too. Here's video evidence of Nigel making the claim:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-nigel-farage-nhs-350-million-pounds-live-health-service-u-turn-a7102831.html

And here's the originator of the claim: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hancellor-philip-hammond-honour-350-million-nhs-brexit-pledge-a7377256.html

darkpagandeath

Grayson wrote: »

Yeah. But it's not to stop brexit. The legal thinking at the moment is that once article 50 is implemented it's irreversible. He wants the EU courts to rule on a matter of EU law and say if it is or not. However for that to happen a senior judge has to refer it to the EU court and the UK judges aren't doing that. So if he asks for clarification in an Irish court, the Irish court will kick it up to the EU court and he'll get his answer.

Basically he wants to know if the UK can trigger article 50, negotiate for two years and then if it doesn't like the result of the negotiations, just change it's mind.



https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/dec/09/irish-courts-to-be-asked-to-intervene-in-brexit-legal-process-article-50



There's also this part.

Seems odd they are arguing the EU has broken it's own treaties and rules ?

First Up

darkpagandeath wrote:

Seems odd they are arguing the EU has broken it's own treaties and rules ?

That is not what they are doing.

mansize

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I hope Nigel is a success in whatever he does next. He needs to be, because he owes the NHS £350m per week.

That wasnt Nigel tbf, that was Boris, Gove and the other guy

First Up

A Little Pony wrote:

Who cares? I mean really, the population couldn't care less about that.

A good illustration of why "the population" was not equipped to evaluate the full impact of Brexit.

We elect governments and employ specialists to look after countries' interests. Plebiscites are too crude an instrument for something so complex and far reaching.

dr.fuzzenstein

Grayson wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/09/nigel-farage-scathing-attack-ukip-low-grade-people





I actually laughed out loud when I read the bit in bold.

I laughed when I read that he's poor. If 85 k of your finest pound Sterling is poor, I'll take it.
He really is a twat.

A Dub in Glasgo

mansize wrote: »

That wasnt Nigel tbf, that was Boris, Gove and the other guy

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101927751&postcount=3308

steddyeddy

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I laughed when I read that he's poor. If 85 k of your finest pound Sterling is poor, I'll take it.
He really is a twat.

Also I don't believe it's just 85k.

A Little Pony

A Little Pony wrote: »

He reminds me of Romulus Augustulus, the end is near and he is desperate to keep it together but once the UK leaves, other countries will end up leaving too. The EU project doesn't work, it is done.

I notice you didn't comment on the proposal itself. Great idea IMO. Means those Britons who want to continue a full relationship with the EU wouldn't be held hostage by those who voted for Brexit driven by xenophobic tendancies.

ToddyDoody

I enjoyed the title "52% flew over the cuckoo's nest"... but it might have been a tad offensive.

steddyeddy

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I enjoyed the title "52% flew over the cuckoo's nest"... but it might have been a tad offensive.

I think too many people in this referendum got away with saying xenophobic crap and lies. I think more should be done to ridicule these people.

A Little Pony

First Up wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote:

Who cares? I mean really, the population couldn't care less about that.

A good illustration of why "the population" was not equipped to evaluate the full impact of Brexit.

We elect governments and employ specialists to look after countries' interests.  Plebiscites are too crude an instrument for something so complex and far reaching.

Remoaners still moaning about a result which happened months ago and is happening. We are leaving the EU, deal with it. It was the greatest vote in British history and the greatest mandate. Theresa May now has a free run with the latest vote in Parliament.

People are looking for any reason to have a go at Brexit, freedom is a long journey and gaining our right to make our own laws again and controlling immigration is of paramount importance.

A Little Pony

Deleted User wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

He reminds me of Romulus Augustulus, the end is near and he is desperate to keep it together but once the UK leaves, other countries will end up leaving too. The EU project doesn't work, it is done.

I notice you didn't comment on the proposal itself. Great idea IMO. Means those Britons who want to continue a full relationship with the EU wouldn't be held hostage by those who voted for Brexit driven by xenophobic tendancies.

I have a better idea for them, take themselves and piss off and live in those EU countries. Let the patriotic British people get on with rebuilding the Union once again.

Dyr

A Little Pony wrote: »

I have a better idea for them, take themselves and piss off and live in those EU countries. Let the patriotic British people get on with rebuilding the Union once again.

You know how people are weird about national identity. I mean there's even people who call themselves British but they still refuse to piss off back to Britain

A Little Pony

Bambi wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

I have a better idea for them, take themselves and piss off and live in those EU countries. Let the patriotic British people get on with rebuilding the Union once again.

You know how people are weird about national identity. I mean there's even people who call themselves British but they still refuse to piss off back to Britain

Killed too many rebels for that to happen.

First Up

A Little Pony wrote:

Remoaners still moaning about a result which happened months ago and is happening. We are leaving the EU, deal with it. It was the greatest vote in British history and the greatest mandate. Theresa May now has a free run with the latest vote in Parliament.

Thanks for demonstrating once again how little Brexiteers understand what they have done. When someone points out an unforeseen (and probably too subtle) consequence, it would serve you better to reflect on what you might do to redress the damage, instead of taking refuge in the result of a crude plebiscite in which the opinion of the informed and thoughtful carries no more weight than that of an imbecile. It might be democracy but its a pretty stupid way to use it.

But it is (and will be) your problem. We will just watch.

Junkyard Tom

A Little Pony wrote: »

We are leaving the EU, deal with it.

A Little Pony wrote: »

piss off and live in those EU countries

The people in the northeast of Ireland can vote themselves (and you) out of uk jurisdiction and straight back into the EU as part of a United Ireland.

If austerity bites in the uk it will impoverish the northeast of Ireland even further and the people there may very well choose the above option. There is no handbrake or reverse gear in the GFA.

Deal with it.

A Little Pony

A Little Pony wrote: »

I have a better idea for them, take themselves and piss off and live in those EU countries. Let the patriotic British people get on with rebuilding the Union once again.

Britons should p*ss off out of Britain? Thought this type of invective was aimed purely at the Johnny Foreigners. You're out-Faraging Farage at this stage.....

P_1

A Little Pony wrote: »

I have a better idea for them, take themselves and piss off and live in those EU countries. Let the patriotic British people get on with rebuilding the Union once again.

Yikes, I know it's 80 years since the abdication but I didn't realise Oswald Mosely has shuffled back onto this mortal coil.

Fratton Fred

A Little Pony wrote: »

I have a better idea for them, take themselves and piss off and live in those EU countries. Let the patriotic British people get on with rebuilding the Union once again.

Done.

A Little Pony

First Up wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote:

Remoaners still moaning about a result which happened months ago and is happening. We are leaving the EU, deal with it. It was the greatest vote in British history and the greatest mandate. Theresa May now has a free run with the latest vote in Parliament.

Thanks for demonstrating once again how little Brexiteers understand what they have done.  When someone points out an unforeseen (and probably too subtle) consequence, it would serve you better to reflect on what you might do to redress the damage, instead of taking refuge in the result of a crude plebiscite in which the opinion of the informed and thoughtful carries no more weight than that of an imbecile. It might be democracy but its a pretty stupid way to use it.

But it is (and will be) your problem. We will just watch.

One of the greatest days I have ever seen was the 23rd June and I won't ever regret my vote to leave. Same with millions of others. We are leaving, get used to it.

A Little Pony

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

We are leaving the EU, deal with it.

A Little Pony wrote: »

piss off and live in those EU countries

The people in the northeast of Ireland can vote themselves (and you) out of uk jurisdiction and straight back into the EU as part of a United Ireland.

If austerity bites in the uk it will impoverish the northeast of Ireland even further and the people there may very well choose the above option. There is no handbrake or reverse gear in the GFA.

Deal with it.

Keep dreaming reb.

steddyeddy

A Little Pony wrote: »

One of the greatest days I have ever seen was the 23rd June and I won't ever regret my vote to leave. Same with millions of others. We are leaving, get used to it.

You realise you'll be left poorer?

Professor Moriarty

A Little Pony wrote: »

One of the greatest days I have ever seen was the 23rd June and I won't ever regret my vote to leave. Same with millions of others. We are leaving, get used to it.

For you personally, what's the best thing about leaving the EU?