Youths Rioting -ERU deployed(mod warning in op)

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Lots of trouble it appears over at the Oberstown youth detention centre.

Staff have been complaining for weeks about the facility. Deploying ERU seems pretty severe but not unreasonable as these youths respect nothing but violence. Although I'm sure a few lefties will say hugs and listening to them more would help.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/eru-deployed-as-oberstown-youth-detention-centre-set-on-fire-after-hours-of-rioting-by-inmates-35005323.html


Mod- Ok folks lets reign it in a bit please. No more advocating extreme violence(attack choppers,napalm, etc).

Stheno

The place is in flames, god love anyone caught up in it


Was only redeveloped a few years ago

Gatling

Should have sent the public order units and army riot squad in and brought the little animals under control

spurious

Didn't they start holding older guys there?

I have visited it for work over the years, it has certainly changed. That huge wall is an awful thing. AFAIK, there was only a need for that when the more 'serious' offenders were put there.

um7y1h83ge06nx

Fantastic, cue heading weeks of crap on the airwaves about how these youths should have more facilities and support, yawn.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Boys will be boys, sure weren't ye all young once ? :pac:

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spurious wrote: »

Didn't they start holding older guys there?

I have visited it for work over the years, it has certainly changed. That huge wall is an awful thing. AFAIK, there was only a need for that when the more 'serious' offenders were put there.

Still youths but I think since St. Pats closed the more serious ones often end up there.

Gatling

spurious wrote: »

Didn't they start holding older guys there?
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Think the oldest is 19,

Look like they will have to look at this softly softly approach ,
We need better control of institutions here

moc moc a moc

Sending the ERU in is retarded. What are they going to do, start shooting people? If it's a riot, then send in riot police to baton the bollix out of them.

uck51js9zml2yt

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Boys will be boys, sure weren't ye all young once ? :pac:

Sure didn't they all have troubled childhoods and were abandoned at birth!

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moc moc a moc wrote: »

Sending the ERU in is retarded. What are they going to do, start shooting people? If it's a riot, then send in riot police to baton the bollix out of them.

You would think that alright but maybe they are concerned about outsiders with weapons joining in with the fire things aren't as secure. Or do the ERU double up as riot squad as well?

SEPT 23 1989

Who was left in charge when the staff walked out

Gatling

questionmark? wrote: »

You would think that alright but maybe they are concerned about outsiders with weapons joining in with the fire things aren't as secure. Or do the ERU double up as riot squad as well?

Maybe there job is to prevent a large number of scumbags escaping ,
Improvised weapons vs rifles .

arybvtcw0eolkf

A few low fly passes from a helicopter gunship would sort that crap out fairly shortish, and be rid of a generation of at least a small section of our scummy youth.

Let 'em burn.

Atlantic Dawn

Have any escaped or will we be only told this around lunchtime tomorrow?

andekwarhola

Which one of them is the daddy now?

Oops69

staff should be sacked here, irresponsible desertion of their duties

Your Face

Reading that article reminded me of A Clockwork Orange.

foggy_lad

spurious wrote: »

Didn't they start holding older guys there?

I have visited it for work over the years, it has certainly changed. That huge wall is an awful thing. AFAIK, there was only a need for that when the more 'serious' offenders were put there.

The wall doesn't keep the little fookers in most of the time! they should be shackled when brought there and thought to have respect for everything and every one!

The staff went on strike earlier today because of the conditions they have to work in and all the little darlings were locked up all morning so obviously got onto snapchat and organised a riot to get their own back on the staff.

most of those bastards will be released now as there is no suitable place to detain them, I would suggest a wing in a mental hospital like St Ita's in Portrane.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/eru-deployed-as-oberstown-youth-detention-centre-set-on-fire-after-hours-of-rioting-by-inmates-35005323.html

One member of staff was reported to have been seriously injured and taken to hospital after being attacked by inmates yesterday evening. No further details were available.

Eight youths remain on the roof. Six units of Dublin Fire Brigade are at the scene.

A spokesperson for the Minister for Children, Katherine Zappone, said the Minister would not be issuing any comment while the situation was ongoing.

Why would this be in the hands of the minister for Children? Should be the minister for Justice and the Fire brigade should be washing the little bastards off the roof!

um7y1h83ge06nx

Hmm, I'm terrible but I can't help of thinking of inappropriate song titles for the situation - Sleep Now In The Fire by Rage Against The Machine.

Gatling

Kaden Gray Termination wrote: »

A few low fly passes from a helicopter gunship would sort that crap out fairly shortish, and be rid of a generation of at least a small section of our scummy youth.

Let 'em burn.

Have you thought about a career in politics .

That's vote winning there boys and girls

gctest50

foggy_lad wrote: »

The wall doesn't keep the little fookers in most of the time! they should be shackled when brought there and thought to have respect for everything and every one!

The staff went on strike earlier today because of the conditions they have to work in and all the little darlings were locked up all morning so obviously got onto snapchat and organised a riot to get their own back on the staff.

we've all seen what filth some staff are :


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2cadd5_rte-prime-time-investigates-aras-attracta_school


maybe some of the staff are part of the problem ?

Rashers72

Lots of mixed reporting at the moment. But the photos on the Indo website look like a lot of damage tonight. Yet Irish Times says Fire Service have it all under control, and the gardai have been there all day. Whatever the truth, taxpayer will face another huge bill to fix all this. How so few youths could take control and cause so much damage so quickly with staff and gardai on site leaves a lot of questions... I do feel sorry for the staff. Not a job most of us would want.
I would imagine the rehabilitation rate is very very small - anyone know?

Paulzx

Oops69 wrote: »

staff should be sacked here, irresponsible desertion of their duties

Yeah. They should never have objected to being constantly assaulted by scumbag criminals and having the people who run the show ignoring it.


Just keep going to work and having the head smacked off you by teenage scummers.

Paulzx

Rashers72 wrote: »

How so few youths could take control and cause so much damage so quickly with staff and gardai on site leaves a lot of questions...

Because society refuses to accept that "bad" people exist. We treat everyone with kid gloves no matter how bad they behave. The authorities i.e. gardai and the people supervising these "juveniles" are afraid of their lives to be robust or enforce any sort of order that doesn't involve patting them on the back and saying "there, there there".

The ironic thing is that if the real scummers were isolated out of this facility and kept in a proper secure jail it would free up much needed time and resources to help the kids who can and want to be helped.

nullzero

Skangers indulging in a spot of skanging, napalm should sort it out reasonably sharpish.

Gatling

Rashers72 wrote: »

How so few youths could take control and cause so much damage so quickly with staff and gardai on site leaves a lot of questions... I do feel sorry for the staff. Not a job most of us would want.
I would imagine the rehabilitation rate is very very small - anyone know?

It only took 2 teens a few weeks ago to get there hands on keys and swipe cards off some guards funny part was they robbbed other inmates before getting their hands on tools and climed up on the roof ,
After that 5 escaped from the facility,
The Garda are not allowed on the site unless invited by the warden they are usually tuned away from the gates if a staff member dials 999

mynamejeff

The scum of the earth are in that place , they are just younger than most .

their crimes are horrible and they should be treated accordingly .


pepper spray batons and guns if necessary

lawlolawl

Replace the entire facility with a firing squad and save the state/normal people loads of hassle and millions of funding.

I hope the Gardai hammered the ****e out of them tonight. I'd pay for tickets to watch it.

DrumSteve

lawlolawl wrote: »

Replace the entire facility with a firing squad and save the state/normal people loads of hassle and millions of funding.

I hope the Gardai hammered the ****e out of them tonight. I'd pay for tickets to watch it.

A firing squad? Jesus ****ing Christ.

Needs Must

rat poison in their methadone would be the easiest solution all round

Dr Turk Turkelton

DrumSteve wrote: »

A firing squad? Jesus ****ing Christ.

Your right, far too good for the scum. Hung, drawn and quartered a more appropriate sentence.
Our problem in this country is we are far too lenient on scum. At this stage a hard-line needs to be taken on youth offenders and we might have some chance of winning our country back.
Old people should not have to live in fear after working all their lives and paying taxes
so that these scum should be housed in luxury for committing crimes against them.
We really need to rid Ireland of the lily libera,l left wing bias that has unfortunately become the norm here and start making criminals regret their lifestyle choices.

Sleepy

Could an "accident" with the fire hose not take care of the lads on the roof?

wow sierra

mynamejeff wrote: »

The scum of the earth are in that place , they are just younger than most .

their crimes are horrible and they should be treated accordingly .


pepper spray batons and guns if necessary

People convicted of horrific crimes who just happen to be under 18 are housed with vulnerable teenagers who should be in a facility like Oberstown and presided over by Social Workers and care workers. Staff have been highlighting this for years.
The Government and Judiciary have to accept that there is a need for a high security facility for under 18s. Closing down St Pat's was ridiculous.

But wait for the reaction tomorrow - it will be all the fault of the Staff and the unions.

lawlolawl

DrumSteve wrote: »

A firing squad? Jesus ****ing Christ.

Fair enough, shooting them is a bit extreme.

Hanging would probably be cheaper because we can reuse the rope and would achieve the same net benefit for society.

Faugheen

What annoys me in this situation is when I hear about people blaming the staff walkout.

These people are social care workers, not prison guards. I'd have put my hands up and went "you know what? F*ck this" a long time ago.

mynamejeff

wow sierra wrote: »

People convicted of horrific crimes who just happen to be under 18 are housed with vulnerable teenagers who should be in a facility like Oberstown and presided over by Social Workers and care workers. Staff have been highlighting this for years.
The Government and Judiciary have to accept that there is a need for a high security facility for under 18s. Closing down St Pat's was ridiculous.

But wait for the reaction tomorrow - it will be all the fault of the Staff and the unions.

Oberstown is a small facility or rather has a small capacity. Those in Oberstown are bad bad people and are removed from the public for repeated crimes .

your vulnerable people are mostly in carehomes run by companies like positive care ireland etc .

I agree with you a large secure facility for under 18s is required and necessary.

Gatling

DrumSteve wrote: »

A firing squad? Jesus ****ing Christ.

Suggestions of. Gunship earlier .



Way cooler

Strong Life in Dublin

moc moc a moc wrote: »

Sending the ERU in is retarded. What are they going to do, start shooting people? If it's a riot, then send in riot police to baton the bollix out of them.

ERU will use tear gas etc

tomofson

Gatling wrote: »

Should have sent the public order units and army riot squad in and brought the little animals under control

There is a large mix of different type of kids in oberstown right now, some are kids from residential care who are put there for a list of reasons mainly because no other residential unit is suitable, (not due to criminality in a lot of cases) and then their is the hardened criminal types who are a fairly newish arrival to oberstown... There is also a lot more of the petty criminal types....

Be careful who you are referring to as "little animals" in your comfortable middle class existence you don't know the full circumstances at hand here...

tomofson

DrumSteve wrote: »

A firing squad? Jesus ****ing Christ.

Don't even try talking sense into the likes of that, those people never see the error in their ways... They want to see disadvantaged people beating for their own amusement says it all really.... The same way poor people used to be publicly hanged in england for stealing loafs of bread and rich peoples hats the likes of that individual would love to live in those times... The only downfall would be he couldn't pent hes inherent social economic snobbery over an internet forum which accepts and encourages it to the fullest...

Gatling

tomofson wrote: »

Be careful who you are referring to as "little animals" in your comfortable middle class existance you do not know the full circumstances at hand here...

I'm certainly not in any middle class anything,

But I'm a firm believer that making excuses and mollycoddling longer works nor has it ever worked ,

So yeah time for the fereal to be reined in and actually punished properly .

mynamejeff

tomofson wrote: »

There is a large mix of different type of kids in oberstown right now, some are kids from residential care who are put there for a list of reasons mainly because no other residential unit is suitable, (not due to criminality in a lot of cases) and then their is the hardened criminal types who are a fairly newish arrival to oberstown... There is also a lot more of the petty criminal types....

Be careful who you are referring to as "little animals" in your comfortable middle class existance you do not know the full circumstances at hand here...

Im not middle class do i get a opinion ?

The people in oberstown right now didnt make one mistake and end up there , they made a serious of choices that screamed "i dont care about any one but me "

Fcuk em , they need to be removed from the world to protect the rest of us

foggy_lad

mynamejeff wrote: »

Oberstown is a small facility or rather has a small capacity. Those in Oberstown are bad bad people and are removed from the public for repeated crimes .

your vulnerable people are mostly in carehomes run by companies like positive care ireland etc .

I agree with you a large secure facility for under 18s is required and necessary.

How much are those care homes costing the state? that single company has 11 homes which cater for a maximum of 44 inmates Clients with a staff of approximately 150. they are not exactly value for money compared to a proper detention centre. There has also been several reports recently of these animals from these care homes being in court charged with injuring staff by throwing boiling water at them and kicking etc.

Other countries use boot camps and non-lethal beanbag rounds to control these sort of animals.

Chijj

tomofson wrote: »

Don't even try talking sense into the likes of that, those people never see the error in their ways... They want to see disadvantaged people beating for their own amusement says it all really.... The same way poor people used to be publicly hanged in england for stealing loafs of bread and rich peoples hats the likes of that individual would love to live in those times... The only downfall would be he couldn't pent hes inherent social economic snobbery over an internet forum which accepts and encourages it to the fullest...

Mighty fine trolling, Kudos

tomofson

Chijj wrote: »

Mighty fine trolling, Kudos

Not trolling given my honest opinion here big man.

It seems like everybody else is so caught up in the hyperbole that an honest opinion is seen as some form of sarcasm/satire...

wow sierra

tomofson wrote: »

There is a large mix of different type of kids in oberstown right now, some are kids from residential care who are put there for a list of reasons mainly because no other residential unit is suitable, (not due to criminality in a lot of cases) and then their is the hardened criminal types who are a fairly newish arrival to oberstown... There is also a lot more of the petty criminal types....

Be careful who you are referring to as "little animals" in your comfortable middle class existence you don't know the full circumstances at hand here...

That's what I thought was the situation alright. See a report below on what Staff have been dealing with - this is from a year ago.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/oberstown-youth-detention-centre-staff-frightened-they-may-be-killed-at-work-31429080.html

mynamejeff

tomofson wrote: »

Don't even try talking sense into the likes of that, those people never see the error in their ways... They want to see disadvantaged people beating for their own amusement says it all really.... The same way poor people used to be publicly hanged in england for stealing loafs of bread and rich peoples hats the likes of that individual would love to live in those times... The only downfall would be he couldn't pent hes inherent social economic snobbery over an internet forum which accepts and encourages it to the fullest...

you seem like you know what your talking about tom :pac::pac::pac: not

tomofson

mynamejeff wrote: »

you seem like you know what your talking about tom :pac::pac::pac: not

Intelligent original and witty, you get two thumbs up for that one...

mynamejeff

tomofson wrote: »

Intelligent original and witty, you get two thumbs up for that one...

your opinion matters to me and i wish to hear more , please send more tom ....

do you have social care degree ? legal degree ? politics degree ? or is it a arts degree from the school of hard knocks and the university of life ?

gctest50

Faugheen wrote: »

What annoys me in this situation is when I hear about people blaming the staff walkout.

These people are social care workers, not prison guards. I'd have put my hands up and went "you know what? F*ck this" a long time ago.

Faugheen wrote: »

These people are social care workers,....

Should have made sure they had breakfast then before they went prancing off on a picket

“Management have been informed that staff have been instructed by [their unions] not to open bedroom doors for the duration of the work stoppage,” this morning’s management statement said.

"As a consequence staff cannot give young people their breakfast and management are putting measures in place to ensure young people receive food and water."

http://www.thejournal.ie/oberstown-sick-days-breakfast-locked-2797247-May2016/