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Wildcard Thread 2016/2017

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Colking


    Initial thought while I catch price rises:

    Foster Heaton
    Lovren Williams Robertson Holebas Kingsley
    Capoue Firmino Sterling Antonio Sanchez
    Aguero Deeney Lukaku

    Double Watford attack and strong front 8 not so much to my liking. Could fix that in two transfers if Lukaku goes back to troll mode and I need Ibra. Would like to squeeze Hazard back though

    I'm on wildcard. Looking at same mid and attack. Have foolishly had Capoue from start and never played. Am nervous about having to bench Firmino etc. to play him though.

    Jakupovic might give you a price rise instead of heaton or do you want to keep both Foster and Heaton to see which is the long term keeper ?

    I don't see Lovren going up in value.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,747 ✭✭✭Ziegler1988


    Colking wrote: »
    I'm on wildcard. Looking at same mid and attack. Have foolishly had Capoue from start and never played. Am nervous about having to bench Firmino etc. to play him though.

    Jakupovic might give you a price rise instead of heaton or do you want to keep both Foster and Heaton to see which is the long term keeper ?

    I don't see Lovren going up in value.

    I have value tied up in both Foster and Heaton now, am pretty happy with them since I still think Jak could lose his spot. Pickford is an option, just Sunderland look terrible at the back.
    I'm actually thinking of keeping Lovren in my team :pac: (have Kos and Walker in atm to catch their rise). Great fixtures and Liverpool must surely keep more cleanies than the 4.5m teams. He'd be the prime upgrade from one of my GKs to Pickford though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Colking


    I have value tied up in both Foster and Heaton now, am pretty happy with them since I still think Jak could lose his spot. Pickford is an option, just Sunderland look terrible at the back.
    I'm actually thinking of keeping Lovren in my team :pac: (have Kos and Walker in atm to catch their rise). Great fixtures and Liverpool must surely keep more cleanies than the 4.5m teams. He'd be the prime upgrade from one of my GKs to Pickford though

    I'm looking at the below right now.

    Foster Jakupovic

    Baines Valencia Robertson Holebas Amat

    Capoue Sánchez Sterling Firmino Antonio

    Lukaku Agüero Deeney

    Hull have nice fixtures coming up so Robertson could be good. Holebas could be a card magnet too so nervous about that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭shineon23


    He didn't start today, came on as sub for Capoue. I would much rather Holebas, started every match and on right side free kicks and corners

    Fair enough, didn't see all the game so thought he started. Holebas a far more sensible option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭iroced


    Hmmm...

    Capoue is the highest scoring player in the game so far. He had an horrible run of fixtures for the start of the season with Watford (away to Saints, home to Chelsea & Arsenal, away to West Ham & home to United). I'm pretty sure if any of you had bet pre-season (despite his good form then which is why I got him in thanks to FFS pre-season reports) you'd have predicted 5 2 pointers from him.

    So, can he be a viable mid to long term 4th mid option? 'Cause with a sub £4.5m 5th mid bench fodder, a premium strikeforce + 2 premium mids (Sanchez & KDB for example) becomes affordable. I believe it alos provides flexibility since there's lots of money tied upfront.

    I think I'll be happy enough to have a maximum of £32.5m spent in defense (Foster-Jaku ; Valencia-Baines-McAuley-Amat and then either I keep Friend or find a better £4.5m alternative) so with Capoue and a second £4.5m mid it leaves £58.5m for my sextet strikeforce.

    Only thing is I feel there may be better value in midfield long-term (e.g. right now Sanchez, City mid, 'Pool mid & WH mid). So Diomandé could replace the 5th mid bench fodder as a 3rd striker bench fodder losing out just £0.1-0.2m in the process). Shame Snodgrass isn't a striker :p..

    Opinions?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Manutd_4life


    I've switched things up to this:

    https://gyazo.com/0fea98b10a0998e0553c40ffad261cc3

    Pretty happy with it in fairness. Left with 2m ITB

    Thoughts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,962 ✭✭✭Hogey007


    I've switched things up to this:

    https://gyazo.com/0fea98b10a0998e0553c40ffad261cc3

    Pretty happy with it in fairness. Left with 2m ITB

    Thoughts?

    fletcher is due to drop in price tonight, put in rodwell for him now and switch to fletcher then tomorrow/Tuesday when he drops to 4.4


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Manutd_4life


    Hogey007 wrote: »
    fletcher is due to drop in price tonight, put in rodwell for him now and switch to fletcher then tomorrow/Tuesday when he drops to 4.4

    Thanks, didnt know about that


  • Posts: 6,995 [Deleted User]


    Had ZERO notion of using my WC until the second set of international fixtures but 3 red arrows in a row and ranking of 960k means my hand is forced.

    Bye bye double United defence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    Had ZERO notion of using my WC until the second set of international fixtures but 3 red arrows in a row and ranking of 960k means my hand is forced.

    Bye bye double United defence.

    Hello sanchez;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,390 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    Foster, Jak

    Valencia, Lovren, Holebas, Amat, Friend

    Sanchez, Sterling, Antonio, Capoue, Firmino

    Aguero, Lukaku, Diomande

    Thoughts??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,817 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    paulie21 wrote: »
    Foster, Jak

    Valencia, Lovren, Holebas, Amat, Friend

    Sanchez, Sterling, Antonio, Capoue, Firmino

    Aguero, Lukaku, Diomande

    Thoughts??

    Maybe try fit in a Spurs or Everton defender, Utd and Liverpool don't look like keeping many cleanvsheets and despite Lovren's goal the last day, he is still a liability.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,747 ✭✭✭Ziegler1988


    iroced wrote: »
    So, can he be a viable mid to long term 4th mid option? 'Cause with a sub £4.5m 5th mid bench fodder, a premium strikeforce + 2 premium mids (Sanchez & KDB for example) becomes affordable. I believe it alos provides flexibility since there's lots of money tied upfront.

    Only thing is I feel there may be better value in midfield long-term (e.g. right now Sanchez, City mid, 'Pool mid & WH mid). So Diomandé could replace the 5th mid bench fodder as a 3rd striker bench fodder losing out just £0.1-0.2m in the process). Shame Snodgrass isn't a striker :p..

    Opinions?

    We'll have to see on Capoue. He has 4 goals from 5 shots on target, which obviously isn't sustainable but even a goal every three matches with him would be great for a 4th mid. He's good in the bonus so it usually means 10 pointer.

    I'd still rather a 4.4m mid like De Roon as fodder. My 3rd striker slot has delivered me 5 blanks so far though....


  • Posts: 6,995 [Deleted User]


    Hello sanchez;)

    Yep.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    TBH I'm not entirely convinced by Capoue. He's on a crazy run of form but has not got any kind of stats to back it up. Before today he had 3 goals from 4 shots on target.

    He's not even the most attacking of their midfield 3. It's great that he can come off your bench with decent scores at 4.5m and I'd consider him in a rotation but not as a play every week 4th mid even yet.

    No way I'd have started him against United.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    FHFC wrote: »
    TBH I'm not entirely convinced by Capoue. He's on a crazy run of form but has not got any kind of stats to back it up. Before today he had 3 goals from 4 shots on target.

    He's not even the most attacking of their midfield 3. It's great that he can come off your bench with decent scores at 4.5m and I'd consider him in a rotation but not as a play every week 4th mid even yet.

    No way I'd have started him against United.

    I think he's making a case for a rotating 4th mid slot with someone like Snodgrass.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Manutd_4life


    When is the most suitable time to use the WC in this next week taking into consideration a very possible Aguero price rise, possible Hazard drop and also the midweek cup games??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    titan18 wrote: »
    I think he's making a case for a rotating 4th mid slot with someone like Snodgrass.

    He was making a case for a "sub 4.5 bench fodder" meaning Capoue playing every week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭iroced


    FHFC wrote: »
    TBH I'm not entirely convinced by Capoue. He's on a crazy run of form but has not got any kind of stats to back it up. Before today he had 3 goals from 4 shots on target.

    He's not even the most attacking of their midfield 3. It's great that he can come off your bench with decent scores at 4.5m and I'd consider him in a rotation but not as a play every week 4th mid even yet.

    No way I'd have started him against United.
    Etienne Capoue is not an attacking mid anyway. He even played as a def when in Toulouse. He had one great last season where he scored 7 goals IMSMR (but 7 out of 30+ games) before leaving L1. He's on fire at the moment and his form is ununderstandable. But as of now and because I'm tired of having 15-20 pointers on my bench every single GW, I'm just wondering if I should just not play him like a premium mid. And when the spell will inevitably breaks, I'll move him out or back to his fodder role. Why not applying the form over fixtures statement with him too?

    So this week, fortunately I played him ahead of both Negredo & Barkley. Would have been a second disaster in a row had I not...

    About rotations, I've now abandonned this tactic. It just does not work for me (I never managed to at least - and I had my best seasons without it ; only exception being the rotation at the back). Just leads to the frustration of the points on my bench. But this year, I'm not even sure I'll do it much at the back. Haven't looked yet at the potential 3-way rotations but I don't remember being particularly rewarded for it in the previous seasons despite the great look on paper it had while planning ahead. I'm actually pretty sure doubling up for a team that has both good defensive form and a nice run of fixtures works as well without the hassle.


    By the way, where do you get all these shooting stats?

    titan18 wrote: »
    I think he's making a case for a rotating 4th mid slot with someone like Snodgrass.
    That was my original idea. But, for example, the great, on paper, Snodgrass-Capoue rotation did not really work over these 5 first GWs. When would you have played Capoue? They only had tough games. You'd probably have played Snodgrass over him every single GW, missing out Capoue GW2 big haul and getting less pts in the last 2 GWs. So far it's OK 'cause Snodgrass did perform too and you'd have cashed in £0.2m on Capoue (and maybe at least an extra £0.1m in the coming GWs) but long-term you're heading for a headache every single GW to decide who to play. I mean currently choosing between Capoue & Snodgrass is like choosing between Sanchez & KDB? No one in his right mind would ever do that right :p?!

    So yeah I'm wondering if Capoue is not worth more than just his fodder role. That would free a lot of money for elsewhere. I'm not yet decided. But I do consider it. While even up to last GW I was still thinking Capoue was just another Georgie Boyd. But so far he's the best scorer in the game and Watford had the toughest run in the league. It deserves debate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    iroced wrote: »
    Etienne Capoue is not an attacking mid anyway. He even played as a def when in Toulouse. He had one great last season where he scored 7 goals IMSMR (but 7 out of 30+ games) before leaving L1. He's on fire at the moment and his form is ununderstandable. But as of now and because I'm tired of having 15-20 pointers on my bench every single GW, I'm just wondering if I should just not play him like a premium mid. And when the spell will inevitably breaks, I'll move him out or back to his fodder role. Why not applying the form over fixtures statement with him too?

    So this week, fortunately I played him ahead of both Negredo & Barkley. Would have been a second disaster in a row had I not...

    About rotations, I've now abandonned this tactic. It just does not work for me (I never managed to at least - and I had my best seasons without it ; only exception being the rotation at the back). Just leads to the frustration of the points on my bench. But this year, I'm not even sure I'll do it much at the back. Haven't looked yet at the potential 3-way rotations but I don't remember being particularly rewarded for it in the previous seasons despite the great look on paper it had while planning ahead. I'm actually pretty sure doubling up for a team that has both good defensive form and a nice run of fixtures works as well without the hassle.


    By the way, where do you get all these shooting stats?



    That was my original idea. But, for example, the great, on paper, Snodgrass-Capoue rotation did not really work over these 5 first GWs. When would you have played Capoue? They only had tough games. You'd probably have played Snodgrass over him every single GW, missing out Capoue GW2 big haul and getting less pts in the last 2 GWs. So far it's OK 'cause Snodgrass did perform too and you'd have cashed in £0.2m on Capoue (and maybe at least an extra £0.1m in the coming GWs) but long-term you're heading for a headache every single GW to decide who to play. I mean currently choosing between Capoue & Snodgrass is like choosing between Sanchez & KDB? No one in his right mind would ever do that right :p?!

    So yeah I'm wondering if Capoue is not worth more than just his fodder role. That would free a lot of money for elsewhere. I'm not yet decided. But I do consider it. While even up to last GW I was still thinking Capoue was just another Georgie Boyd. But so far he's the best scorer in the game and Watford had the toughest run in the league. It deserves debate.

    Personally, I'd rather a headache every week in trying to choose between 2 performing cheap mids over having someone entirely useless that I'd never want to play there.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,676 ✭✭✭thunderdog


    iroced wrote: »
    Etienne Capoue is not an attacking mid anyway. He even played as a def when in Toulouse. He had one great last season where he scored 7 goals IMSMR (but 7 out of 30+ games) before leaving L1. He's on fire at the moment and his form is ununderstandable. But as of now and because I'm tired of having 15-20 pointers on my bench every single GW, I'm just wondering if I should just not play him like a premium mid. And when the spell will inevitably breaks, I'll move him out or back to his fodder role. Why not applying the form over fixtures statement with him too?

    So this week, fortunately I played him ahead of both Negredo & Barkley. Would have been a second disaster in a row had I not...

    About rotations, I've now abandonned this tactic. It just does not work for me (I never managed to at least - and I had my best seasons without it ; only exception being the rotation at the back). Just leads to the frustration of the points on my bench. But this year, I'm not even sure I'll do it much at the back. Haven't looked yet at the potential 3-way rotations but I don't remember being particularly rewarded for it in the previous seasons despite the great look on paper it had while planning ahead. I'm actually pretty sure doubling up for a team that has both good defensive form and a nice run of fixtures works as well without the hassle.


    By the way, where do you get all these shooting stats?



    That was my original idea. But, for example, the great, on paper, Snodgrass-Capoue rotation did not really work over these 5 first GWs. When would you have played Capoue? They only had tough games. You'd probably have played Snodgrass over him every single GW, missing out Capoue GW2 big haul and getting less pts in the last 2 GWs. So far it's OK 'cause Snodgrass did perform too and you'd have cashed in £0.2m on Capoue (and maybe at least an extra £0.1m in the coming GWs) but long-term you're heading for a headache every single GW to decide who to play. I mean currently choosing between Capoue & Snodgrass is like choosing between Sanchez & KDB? No one in his right mind would ever do that right :p?!

    So yeah I'm wondering if Capoue is not worth more than just his fodder role. That would free a lot of money for elsewhere. I'm not yet decided. But I do consider it. While even up to last GW I was still thinking Capoue was just another Georgie Boyd. But so far he's the best scorer in the game and Watford had the toughest run in the league. It deserves debate.

    Yep, form over fixtures. It's a common error we make in here is that we spend a lot of time figuring out the best players to get in based on fixtures while the casuals just get in the current on form players.

    This was particularly true last year. Casuals just bandwagoning and shooting up the rankings while a lot of us on here struggled to get going.


  • Posts: 6,995 [Deleted User]


    Hello sanchez;)

    Been tricking round with it all day and still can't squeeze him in. I'm putting KDB in ahead of him so may give Walcott another chance.

    Just can't believe I'm willing to give Walcott another go after last season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,515 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    This happens every year, someone pops up who we all think "can't keep that going".

    And then there's the attitude of thinking a 5m player can't be premium. Kane/Alli/Mahrez/Ramsey fell into that last few years.

    He's the top scoring midfielder, play him till he bursts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    I've an FFS membership for the stats.

    But you can get them for free on allthingsfpl

    Form over fixtures is not the problem here though, its unfeasible returns over underlying stats that lead me to believe playing a more attacking mid, even Cazorla, is the logical call.

    Based on form and stats I'd have played Capoue over Barkley or Negredo though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭mectavba


    I'll be wildcarding as planned this week as planned. Two pretty poor weeks in a row just confirms it (slipped from 200k to 700k OR). I have had quite a bit invested in defence (Shaw, Baines and Stones) but returns have not been worth it. I am going to revert to my usual budget defence with one big hitter I think. Here is what I am looking at:

    Foster/Jaku

    Walker, Holebas, Friend, Amat, Kone

    Sanchez, Firmino, Mirallas, Capoue, Fer

    Aguero, Ibra, Benteke

    This leaves me with 0 in the bank.

    I haven't looked too much into defensive rotations - are there any good ones in the coming weeks?

    Capoue/Fer to rotate to see if they can maintain their form.

    Nervous about no Chelsea attacking coverage, but just can't fit any in. Tempted to go with Costa over Ibra and upgrade Fer, but I am going to wait until after Man U's next two fixtures to see if this is a mini slump or full on Jose crisis.

    Any thoughts? Is the defence too weak?

    Also, sorry for being a bit thick on this....but if I am sure I am wildcarding is there any advantage to waiting later in the week. I would have thought I am best to do it today to avoid/take advantage of any price changes and tinker during the week if I like. I'm thinking mostly of Aguero here...I should get him in tonight in case he goes up right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,747 ✭✭✭Ziegler1988


    mectavba wrote: »
    I'll be wildcarding as planned this week as planned. Two pretty poor weeks in a row just confirms it (slipped from 200k to 700k OR). I have had quite a bit invested in defence (Shaw, Baines and Stones) but returns have not been worth it. I am going to revert to my usual budget defence with one big hitter I think. Here is what I am looking at:

    Foster/Jaku

    Walker, Holebas, Friend, Amat, Kone

    Sanchez, Firmino, Mirallas, Capoue, Fer

    Aguero, Ibra, Benteke

    This leaves me with 0 in the bank.

    I haven't looked too much into defensive rotations - are there any good ones in the coming weeks?

    Capoue/Fer to rotate to see if they can maintain their form.

    Nervous about no Chelsea attacking coverage, but just can't fit any in. Tempted to go with Costa over Ibra and upgrade Fer, but I am going to wait until after Man U's next two fixtures to see if this is a mini slump or full on Jose crisis.

    Any thoughts? Is the defence too weak?

    Also, sorry for being a bit thick on this....but if I am sure I am wildcarding is there any advantage to waiting later in the week. I would have thought I am best to do it today to avoid/take advantage of any price changes and tinker during the week if I like. I'm thinking mostly of Aguero here...I should get him in tonight in case he goes up right?

    It's looking very far down the line, but Kone is off to African Cup of Nations in January. With 2nd wild card available any time Jan to May, I'd be more inclined to go with someone that will be around then. Mirallas to Bolasie and then upgrade to Williams would do it.

    You're better off activating now and catching all rises. Unless you want to go the risky route and take hits to effect price changes, then activate WC on Sat morning


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    You're better off activating now and catching all rises. Unless you want to go the risky route and take hits to effect price changes, then activate WC on Sat morning

    Having a slow day, but what do you mean by the above?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,747 ✭✭✭Ziegler1988


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    Having a slow day, but what do you mean by the above?

    WC transfers don't count towards rises so if you want to do your very small part then do normal transfers for hits. Sat morning hit activate WC and hits disappear


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭iroced


    titan18 wrote: »
    Personally, I'd rather a headache every week in trying to choose between 2 performing cheap mids over having someone entirely useless that I'd never want to play there.
    Does it statistically work though?
    I mean do the times you get it right overweight the ones you get it wrong?

    I never saw anyone looking thoroughly into this. In general, when they fail, people who rotate say they knew the risks and accept the consequences, they're happy with the look of their team and still trust their tactic will work mid to long-term. And I'm not judging them. Anyone has its own style and there are pros and cons to every tactics. But I never saw anyone looking at it in detail long-term. So I did it for myself during the last 2 seasons. And I can't say it worked better than the bench fodder route. Overall for me it worked a little bit less good than it could have been had I not been rotating.


    The thing is over these last 2 seasons, we had many over-performing unexpected cheapies so it was not a problem to be rotating a strong front 8 and not save cash from a bench fodder. But this year, the big guns are firing. The only performing cheapies are Capoue & Snodgrass. So cash may be more needed this year than in the previous two. Hence my questioning...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,747 ✭✭✭Ziegler1988


    iroced wrote: »
    Does it statistically work though?
    I mean do the times you get it right overweight the ones you get it wrong?

    I never saw anyone looking thoroughly into this. In general, when they fail, people who rotate say they knew the risks and accept the consequences, they're happy with the look of their team and still trust their tactic will work mid to long-term. And I'm not judging them. Anyone has its own style and there are pros and cons to every tactics. But I never saw anyone looking at it in detail long-term. So I did it for myself during the last 2 seasons. And I can't say it worked better than the bench fodder route. Overall for me it worked a little bit less good than it could have been had I not been rotating.


    The thing is over these last 2 seasons, we had many over-performing unexpected cheapies so it was not a problem to be rotating a strong front 8 and not save cash from a bench fodder. But this year, the big guns are firing. The only performing cheapies are Capoue & Snodgrass. So cash may be more needed this year than in the previous two. Hence my questioning...

    Even if you get it wrong, at least you have that 1st sub ready for cases like Firmino and Eriksen this past week. And your TV will increase more than just fodder. I went strong front 8 from 1st wild card last season and benched an Ighalo haul. I wish I had jumped on Alli as early as everyone else even if I benched a few of his goals. I only go fodder mid if I need cash to accommodate my big hitters, wouldn't do it just for fear of getting my 1st sub wrong. I'm more looking at strong front 8 to start and then be ready to do two moves if I need to get back a big hitter for a mid priced mid


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