you should just "GET OVER" ever owning a home says PP boss

Supercell

I was reading today that over 35% of private sector workers dont have a pension outside of the state one. Would have to imagine that a large proportion of these also rent as well, as bad as housing is now, its easy to see a tsunami approaching.

I've three kids and am wondering are they going to be living with us into our retirement at this stage. We were lucky enough to have bought during the crash and got a small three bed which suits our needs. Would be impossible for us now to buy anywhere near here never mind renting which is just bonkers. Before we bought (Dec 2011) we were renting a decent sized 2 bed apartment in Fishermans Wharf in Ringsend for €800 , they are going for around €2k+ now, just crazy, our wages certainly havent doubled in that time.

DoctorEdgeWild

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118847556#Comment_118847556

I had thought (hoped) that way of thinking was long extinct. Someone's gender doesn't mean they think or act a certain way, in line with others of their gender.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118847556#Comment_118847556

Missing the point. Everything you said could be true but it had a cost is the point. Not stating if good or bad just impact

Personally I think it is rather insulting to suggest women or men have such defined attributes by virtue of their sex. If true then there are equally bad traits based on sex. A lot more comes from the society brought up in and what is considered acceptable during that time. There are certain cultural traits acceptable in countries that are not acceptable here or seen as odd.

Ever see mourners in other countries whaling and bowing in absolute hysterics? Are these people really that much more upset than people at funerals here? Just socially expected and accepted.

Corcaigh84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118847715#Comment_118847715

Then why are the vast vast majority of nurses and primary school teachers female?

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118847896#Comment_118847896

The fenminisation of the education system has lead to a steady decline of male teachers. If it was the other way around there would be a huge outcry. The increasing grades of female students over male year on year should be a major concern to all.

Traditional female/male roles don't appear and disappear out of nowhere. Long history has more to do with it than a gender specific reason. Having grown up around a lot of nurses I can also say that nurses are not all caring and nurturing. Lot of very power hungry women become nurses and they can be very bossy.

DoctorEdgeWild

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118847896#Comment_118847896

I don't know, the best way would be to ask them BUT I'll give you my best guess and say that they were traditionally female roles, one of few available to women who wanted to work and it takes several generations for these things to balance out.

My point would probably be enforced by seeing a ratio of female to male nurses in 1920, 1930, 1940... up to 2020 - If that ratio is becoming more even, then maybe I'm right?

However that would be dragging us way off topic, if you wish to believe that a specific gender all share personality characteristics or think/act in a certain way, you're of course free to do so, but you'll be wrong. I think there's about 4 billion of them out there. Vastly different from each other.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118847984#Comment_118847984

Given you have 8 posts to your name I gather you may have been banned too.

canuckle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118848081#Comment_118848081

I haven't been banned yet, but it certainly feels as though I'm saying all the "wrong things" to have unexplained warnings and deletions.

Yet there hasn't been an articulation of what those reasons may be. Strange.

I was talking about the relationship between extra people arriving into the country (not anything to do with Ukraine) and the deafening silence surrounding housing demand and various other associated costs. I mentioned the census.

Have things gotten so bad that we aren't allowed even mention obvious relationships?

A bit of guesswork would leave you wondering about the link between an ever increasing problem and certain factors of that problem that are taboo.

Because that's one way to ensure a problem is never solved. Trying to solve an equation with unallowable/unknowable factors.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118848129#Comment_118848129

You either have been around a minute or you were around before to have experience of such censorship. Either way we get what you are saying but it is ridiculous to suggest very recent events are the cause of a long running issue.

canuckle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118848154#Comment_118848154

I don't think it's ridiculous at all.

It applies to all the media narrative, not just my short experience here.

When the census comes out and it shows that x amount of extra people have arrived into the country over a period, net, then it's an entirely fair measure against housing stock, isn't it?

Similar to the hospital care situation, there is a repeated narrative that immigration is needed to improve it, yet year after year it doesn't improve.

Similarly, childcare costs, if we had more au pairs and creche people, intimated as being from abroad mostly, it will reduce costs and increase availability. And how is that working out?

And so on and so forth. But how often have such conversations been allowed, in detail or not? Anywhere?

And derived from that, is that precisely the reason we have the messes we have, such as housing? Because only certain parts of the problem are deemed palatable, allowable?

It's a fair link.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118848193#Comment_118848193

Yawn.

You are adding nothing new and it has been allowed to be said freely on boards so you have some weird narrative of event that haven't happened.

Basically you are xenophobic and don't understand economics and think you are some beacon of reason in this crazy world. You aren't and quite the opposite with very small world view. There is nothing to debate with you as you have no will to understand opposing views.

Ray Palmer

Yawn.

You claim the ERSI made a statment they didn't by providing an article from a far right news outlet which is mostly an opinion piece. I think I got your number pretty accurately. Even down to you thinking you are the beacon of sense. You aren't. You are not a new type of poster but you think you are.

You don't get to dictate how the moderator deals with you. If you got something deleted so quickly there is no doubt it was extremist nonsense.

Don't need to reply as I won't be replying again.

emo72

if your on a housing list, that list is going to get waaaaaaaaayyyyy longer now.

riclad

i don,t think anyone over 65 should be allowed to drive a truck or a bus.the american welfare system is very basic, so many people end up working when they are 60 or 70 years old just to pay the bills.We are heading for crisis in 10 years, when 1000s of people retire, where will they live, will they be spending most of their pensions on rent.Many americans work 2 jobs.you have to live somewhere, rent , buy a home or live with your family. its not a luxury option like buying an iphone every year. god knows what will be the average rent in 2032.

they welfare system we have now is designed for the situation where most people own their homes or live in local authority housing.it was not designed for a time when an ordinary house is 250k.

i think the government knows we have a supply problem they just have no practical plan how to solve it.

if you go around council blocks you,ll notice 5 per cent of units are empty, they will be painted and decorated when a tenant leaves ,so they are empty for 6 months.I listen to a radio program on rte 1 , it says theres 1000s of empty rooms above shops in dublin, landlords don,t rent them out as the rules about renting 2nd or 3rd floor units above retail are so complex its not worth the money .

Ubbquittious

The entire western world appears to have put the kibosh on house building. No bother creating an automobile out of precious rare earth metals from all over the world for everyone so they can replace it after 10 years but building even a small house is impossible.

Regulation is mostly to blame. The government uses planning laws to influence house prices and high house prices creates a blanket of safety for the banks. Protest the feck out of it and vote out the politicians who did this is the only option. There is no physical reason preventing new houses from being built. Materials are expensive but they represent only a small portion of the price of a house

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118848193#Comment_118848193

You should probably show us a link to something that shows your 'facts' then.

That somehow we have such a massive amount of people arriving into this country that we cannot cope.............

Stovepipe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118845891#Comment_118845891

He's perfectly entitled to own as much land as he likes. That's the whole point of a free democracy. Nothing stopping you buying land, pretty much anywhere you like in Ireland....until you try to build houses on it. Then, the fun starts.

jolivmmx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118850739#Comment_118850739

Of course it is his entitlement to own whatever he wishes. The people that I know who own land have inherited all their land.

However, anybody who owns large swathes of land may potentially be contributing to another person’s old age poverty. As a society, there is far more benefit to using that land to house my generation with affordable houses. What is the benefit to society when one person holds enough land to literally house thousands? When tackling the issue of the housing crisis, I do think that the government needs to address this and brainstorm a fair and equitable way to deal with this

Stovepipe

People are forgetting the previous housing crisis, just gone. Build, they said. Lots of houses, they said. So,estates sprang up everywhere and Councils were lashed for being picky about not allowing builders to build on flood plains or marshland or hillsides and builders threw up awful shitboxes that leaked and were cold and damp and also happened to be made of mica, because engineers threw the rulebook aside and signed off houses from inside their cars and the end result was crumbling ghost estates (300 still left at the last count) and the builders folded their tents and crept away into the night. They and the engineeers and the worst Councillors enjoyed full legal protection and were untouched, for having inflicted crap housing onto the market. The effects of that disaster are still felt today. So, be very careful about clamouring for rapidly build mass housing.

Stovepipe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118850780#Comment_118850780

He is contributing not a jot to other people's poverty.The mere possession of land harms no-one, otherwise every farmer in the country would be held to blame for urban poverty. He either bought or inherited the land, which was not developed before him. I know where his land is and most of that area has been untouched for years and there are other landowners in that area too. There's also a halting site and an abandoned factory. Think of that legal minefield. You are also dealing with two County Councils' borders and bad ground to try and build on. It's not as clear-cut as it might appear.

riclad

I did not mention cheap labour, I' think its great we have people to work in hotels cafes building sites I think we have a problem in that we do not have enough building workers here to build 30k houses per year just to meet the demand I think everyone should be able to join a union and everyone should get a living wage that's how the EU works workers go where the wages are good and where there's plenty of work I think if you shop in aldi you can still get cheap food you can buy a phone for 100 euros with work from home being more popular, I think more young people will move to other country's where houses can be bought at a reasonable price if they are locked out of the housing market here

We are facing rising inflation food prices rising and its happening in every EU country along with supply chain problems

If you look at the German system they build x amount of houses per year to meet future demand and keep houses prices from rising to an extreme level

the same thing is happening in America houses prices are rising way past the wage of the average workers ability to get a mortgage

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118850739#Comment_118850739

The thing that stops most people from buying land like this is not having money to buy land like this. It doesn't exactly fit within the household budget.

The problem isn't with people buying land. The problem is with people getting huge windfall profits from rezoning of lands like this, profits that will come out of the pockets of house buyers at the end of the day.

DoctorEdgeWild

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118849207#Comment_118849207

On what grounds do you think we shouldn't be allowed to continue driving trucks after 65? We already have to do a medical to renew, are you saying that age is more important than health for us to do our jobs? If so, I certainly disagree with you.

riveratom

PayPal are a WEF partner...WEF are all about the "Great Reset" where "you'll own nothing and be happy by 2030", right?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/?sh=562e65d91735

Welcome To 2030: I Own Nothing, Have No Privacy And Life Has Never Been Better

World Economic Forum

World Economic ForumContributor

Leadership Strategy

By Ida Auken

Welcome to the year 2030. Welcome to my city - or should I say, "our city." I don't own anything. I don't own a car. I don't own a house. I don't own any appliances or any clothes.

It might seem odd to you, but it makes perfect sense for us in this city. Everything you considered a product, has now become a service. We have access to transportation, accommodation, food and all the things we need in our daily lives. One by one all these things became free, so it ended up not making sense for us to own much.

First communication became digitized and free to everyone. Then, when clean energy became free, things started to move quickly. Transportation dropped dramatically in price. It made no sense for us to own cars anymore, because we could call a driverless vehicle or a flying car for longer journeys within minutes. We started transporting ourselves in a much more organized and coordinated way when public transport became easier, quicker and more convenient than the car. Now I can hardly believe that we accepted congestion and traffic jams, not to mention the air pollution from combustion engines. What were we thinking?

Sometimes I use my bike when I go to see some of my friends. I enjoy the exercise and the ride. It kind of gets the soul to come along on the journey. Funny how some things seem never seem to lose their excitement: walking, biking, cooking, drawing and growing plants. It makes perfect sense and reminds us of how our culture emerged out of a close relationship with nature.

In our city we don't pay any rent, because someone else is using our free space whenever we do not need it. My living room is used for business meetings when I am not there.

Once in a while, I will choose to cook for myself. It is easy - the necessary kitchen equipment is delivered at my door within minutes. Since transport became free, we stopped having all those things stuffed into our home. Why keep a pasta-maker and a crepe cooker crammed into our cupboards? We can just order them when we need them.

This also made the breakthrough of the circular economy easier. When products are turned into services, no one has an interest in things with a short life span. Everything is designed for durability, repairability and recyclability. The materials are flowing more quickly in our economy and can be transformed to new products pretty easily. Environmental problems seem far away, since we only use clean energy and clean production methods. The air is clean, the water is clean and nobody would dare to touch the protected areas of nature because they constitute such value to our well-being. In the cities we have plenty of green space and plants and trees all over. I still do not understand why in the past we filled all free spots in the city with concrete.

Shopping? I can't really remember what that is. For most of us, it has been turned into choosing things to use. Sometimes I find this fun, and sometimes I just want the algorithm to do it for me. It knows my taste better than I do by now.

When AI and robots took over so much of our work, we suddenly had time to eat well, sleep well and spend time with other people. The concept of rush hour makes no sense anymore, since the work that we do can be done at any time. I don't really know if I would call it work anymore. It is more like thinking-time, creation-time and development-time.

For a while, everything was turned into entertainment and people did not want to bother themselves with difficult issues. It was only at the last minute that we found out how to use all these new technologies for better purposes than just killing time.

My biggest concern is all the people who do not live in our city. Those we lost on the way. Those who decided that it became too much, all this technology. Those who felt obsolete and useless when robots and AI took over big parts of our jobs. Those who got upset with the political system and turned against it. They live different kind of lives outside of the city. Some have formed little self-supplying communities. Others just stayed in the empty and abandoned houses in small 19th century villages.

Once in a while I get annoyed about the fact that I have no real privacy. Nowhere I can go and not be registered. I know that, somewhere, everything I do, think and dream of is recorded. I just hope that nobody will use it against me.

All in all, it is a good life. Much better than the path we were on, where it became so clear that we could not continue with the same model of growth. We had all these terrible things happening: lifestyle diseases, climate change, the refugee crisis, environmental degradation, completely congested cities, water pollution, air pollution, social unrest and unemployment. We lost way too many people before we realized that we could do things differently.

This blog was written ahead of the World Economic Forum Annual Meeting of the Global Future Councils.

Ida Auken is a Young Global Leader and Member of the Global Future Council on Cities and Urbanization of the World Economic Forum,

riclad

OK I think it's OK to drive over 65 if you can show you are in good health , have a medical checkup every year.