Should another Garda Commissioner resign?

Odhinn

A garda makes a complaint. The complaint dissappears into some parallel dimension while the senior Garda mentioned goes for and gets a promotion. Some form of quantum entaglement ensures that, promotion over, the complaint re-appears.

Garda Keogh's solicitor told RTÉ that as well as dealing with the substantive allegation of inappropriate conduct, his client also wants to know why it took seven months for the complaint to get to the investigative stage.

The complaint had been made back in March of this year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/1119/921265-gardai-whistleblower/

Bare faced cheek of the hightest order.

It's fairly evident that a clear out is needed across the force. Whether anyone has the testicular fortitude required is another question.

Captain Obvious

Odhinn wrote: »

A garda makes a complaint. The complaint dissappears into some parallel dimension while the senior Garda mentioned goes for and gets a promotion. Some form of quantum entaglement ensures that, promotion over, the complaint re-appears.


https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/1119/921265-gardai-whistleblower/

Bare faced cheek of the hightest order.

It's fairly evident that a clear out is needed across the force. Whether anyone has the testicular fortitude required is another question.

Two important issues there. Why should a complaint damage your chances in a promotion competition? Let the person go for promotion unimpeded and if they get the promotion then hold off on implementing it until complaint is dealt with. And it should be easy enough to implement a process to track a complaint. If it isn't resolved at local level in a month it should go to an outside HR agency to be dealt with.

Odhinn

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Two important issues there. Why should a complaint damage your chances in a promotion competition? Let the person go for promotion unimpeded and if they get the promotion then hold off on implementing it until complaint is dealt with. And it should be easy enough to implement a process to track a complaint. If it isn't resolved at local level in a month it should go to an outside HR agency to be dealt with.

Should be. Yet it was evidently felt nessecary to bury the thing. And this is behaviour in the last year, not back under Callinan.

McMurphy

emo72 wrote: »

fitzgerald is a goner.

Two commisoners gone, one.justice minister gone, one more looking extremelly likely to fall on their sword.

Happens under the tenure of the party of law and order.

Odhinn

Meanwhile, back at the ranch -

Transcripts of the O’Higgins Commission supplied to the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission for its investigation into the Mullingar meeting incident were missing crucial pages, RTÉ's Prime Time programme has revealed.

Counsel for the Garda Commissioner told the inquiry that he had been instructed to challenge Maurice McCabe's credibility and motivation.

He said that a senior garda would give evidence that Sgt McCabe had admitted at a meeting in Mullingar in 2008 that he only made his allegations of garda malpractice because he had a grievance against a senior officer.

However, Sgt McCabe had a tape recording of that meeting that proved this was not the case.
Prime Time revealed that key pages in which Mr Justice O’Higgins confirmed to the inquiry that he had reviewed the tape of the Mullingar meeting and the remarks attributed to Sgt McCabe were not on it.

The hour that was missing was the hour in which the strategy outlined by the Garda Commissioner’s legal team collapsed.

That hour was also missing from the transcript supplied to the McCabe legal team during the commission hearings.

There was no mention of this incident in the O’Higgins Commission report.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2017/1123/922441-politics-maurice-mccabe/

The article doesn't state whether the pages have been recovered. Rotten to the core is no longer an exaggeration, it seems.

freeatlast24

Paul Williams & INM appear to have been heavily involved in the campaign to smear Sgt Maurice McCabe's reputation & blacken his good name.

Paul Williams – wrote four articles about Ms D and her 2006 allegation in April and May 2014 gave evidence to the Charleton Tribunal.

Mr Williams was the only journalist to write about Ms D and her then eight-year-old allegation before it became publicly known in February of this year that a counsellor [Laura Brophy] had made the error of adding an unrelated allegation of rape in a referral to Tusla.

Mr Williams, Ms D, and Independent News and Media (INM) share the same solicitor for the tribunal – Kieran Kelly. Mr Williams told the tribunal that he suggested Mr Kelly to the D family in February of this year.

It’s also worth recalling that Ms D claimed the 2006 allegation would have been known in the Bailieboro, Virginia area while Mr D claimed it was an open secret in the gardaí.

Others to give evidence included Detective Superintendent John O’Reilly, who helped put Mr D and Paul Williams in touch with each other in 2014; Superintendent Noel Cunningham, who originally investigated the 2006 allegation; and Supt Leo McGinn, who inadvertently informed Mr D of the false rape allegation attached to Laura Brophy’s incorrect referral in 2013 when he showed Mr D the referral.

blanch152

freeatlast24 wrote: »

Paul Williams & INM appear to have been heavily involved in the campaign to smear Sgt Maurice McCabe's reputation & blacken his good name.

Paul Williams – wrote four articles about Ms D and her 2006 allegation in April and May 2014 gave evidence to the Charleton Tribunal.

Mr Williams was the only journalist to write about Ms D and her then eight-year-old allegation before it became publicly known in February of this year that a counsellor [Laura Brophy] had made the error of adding an unrelated allegation of rape in a referral to Tusla.

Mr Williams, Ms D, and Independent News and Media (INM) share the same solicitor for the tribunal – Kieran Kelly. Mr Williams told the tribunal that he suggested Mr Kelly to the D family in February of this year.

It’s also worth recalling that Ms D claimed the 2006 allegation would have been known in the Bailieboro, Virginia area while Mr D claimed it was an open secret in the gardaí.

Others to give evidence included Detective Superintendent John O’Reilly, who helped put Mr D and Paul Williams in touch with each other in 2014; Superintendent Noel Cunningham, who originally investigated the 2006 allegation; and Supt Leo McGinn, who inadvertently informed Mr D of the false rape allegation attached to Laura Brophy’s incorrect referral in 2013 when he showed Mr D the referral.

Ms D is the one who is forgotten in all of this.

Seth Brundle

blanch152 wrote: »

Ms D is the one who is forgotten in all of this.

What has been forgotten?

Hitman3000

blanch152 wrote:

Ms D is the one who is forgotten in all of this.

Ms D has not been forgotten, as she was not part of all this. Totally separate issue and should be dealt with as sensitively as possible without the grandstanding that has accompanied all that has surrounded the McCabe controversy.

Hitman3000

kbannon wrote:

What has been forgotten?

Deflection?

Odhinn

freeatlast24 wrote: »

Paul Williams & INM appear to have been heavily involved in the campaign to smear Sgt Maurice McCabe's reputation & blacken his good name.

Paul Williams – wrote four articles about Ms D and her 2006 allegation in April and May 2014 gave evidence to the Charleton Tribunal.

Mr Williams was the only journalist to write about Ms D and her then eight-year-old allegation before it became publicly known in February of this year that a counsellor [Laura Brophy] had made the error of adding an unrelated allegation of rape in a referral to Tusla.

Mr Williams, Ms D, and Independent News and Media (INM) share the same solicitor for the tribunal – Kieran Kelly. Mr Williams told the tribunal that he suggested Mr Kelly to the D family in February of this year.

It’s also worth recalling that Ms D claimed the 2006 allegation would have been known in the Bailieboro, Virginia area while Mr D claimed it was an open secret in the gardaí.

Others to give evidence included Detective Superintendent John O’Reilly, who helped put Mr D and Paul Williams in touch with each other in 2014; Superintendent Noel Cunningham, who originally investigated the 2006 allegation; and Supt Leo McGinn, who inadvertently informed Mr D of the false rape allegation attached to Laura Brophy’s incorrect referral in 2013 when he showed Mr D the referral.

For years Mr Williams was almost the out-sourced Garda press office. Certainly one got the impression that if you wanted to know what Mr Callinan thought, you could always ask Williams if you couldn't get through to himself.

Water John

They got the 'missing hour' by going back to the stenographer.
So somebody knobbled the original printout from the stenographer's notes, is a reasonable assumption.

Odhinn

Water John wrote: »

They got the 'missing hour' by going back to the stenographer.
So somebody knobbled the original printout from the stenographer's notes, is a reasonable assumption.

Is its contents known?

FrancieBrady

Water John wrote: »

They got the 'missing hour' by going back to the stenographer.
So somebody knobbled the original printout from the stenographer's notes, is a reasonable assumption.

Link?

Water John

Yes. It just outlines that the Presiding Judge/Tribuanl Chairman had listened to the Mullingar meeting tape which Maurice McCabe had provided. He found no mention on the recording of MM saying any thing about a grudge. He didn't comment further.

This fundamentally ruled out the NOR defence.
It's absence from the record sent to GSOC would mean, they would have no indication that, the tape recording fully contradicted, the evidence of two senior Garda Officers.

This is from Katie Hannon.

Odhinn

Water John wrote: »

They got the 'missing hour' by going back to the stenographer.
So somebody knobbled the original printout from the stenographer's notes, is a reasonable assumption.

And if they don't have the notes, they don't have a record on which to base an investigation into the two Gardai.

Water John

Correct. It is a serious attempt to frustrate the GSOC inquiry.
Along, with Mick Clifford revealing the second strand of attack by Gardai on McCabe, one can see how deep this runs.

Odhinn

Water John wrote: »

Correct. It is a serious attempt to frustrate the GSOC inquiry.
Along, with Mick Clifford revealing the second strand of attack by Gardai on McCabe, one can see how deep this runs.

It's typical of the jesuitical approach that certain Gardai take.

Water John

What is striking is the amazing similarity between both strands of the Gardai attacks on him.
It's either in their DNA from the time they go through Templemore or collusion.

Odhinn

Water John wrote: »

What is striking is the amazing similarity between both strands of the Gardai attacks on him.
It's either in their DNA from the time they go through Templemore or collusion.

Well a piece of paper could not be got between Callinian and O'Sullivan well before they were commissioner and assistant commissioner, so its not suprising they use the same play book.

Water John

We don't know who constructed the attacks but we do know the names of those who implemented the strategy. The 2 boys at the Mullingar meeting who came up with the story that MaCabe and a grudge against a Garda, and the lad who had the chat with McCabe and maintained from it, that McCabe had a grudge against the DPP.
The tape proved the first one wrong and McCabe had already indicated he was quite happy with the DPP. This was before even meeting ,this guy.

Two fabricated yarns.
Major thanks to journalists Michael Clifford and Katie Hannon. A special , no thanks to Paul Williams.

Muahahaha

freeatlast24 wrote: »

Paul Williams & INM appear to have been heavily involved in the campaign to smear Sgt Maurice McCabe's reputation & blacken his good name.

Paul Williams – wrote four articles about Ms D and her 2006 allegation in April and May 2014 gave evidence to the Charleton Tribunal.

Mr Williams was the only journalist to write about Ms D and her then eight-year-old allegation before it became publicly known in February of this year that a counsellor [Laura Brophy] had made the error of adding an unrelated allegation of rape in a referral to Tusla.

Mr Williams, Ms D, and Independent News and Media (INM) share the same solicitor for the tribunal – Kieran Kelly. Mr Williams told the tribunal that he suggested Mr Kelly to the D family in February of this year.

It’s also worth recalling that Ms D claimed the 2006 allegation would have been known in the Bailieboro, Virginia area while Mr D claimed it was an open secret in the gardaí.

Others to give evidence included Detective Superintendent John O’Reilly, who helped put Mr D and Paul Williams in touch with each other in 2014; Superintendent Noel Cunningham, who originally investigated the 2006 allegation; and Supt Leo McGinn, who inadvertently informed Mr D of the false rape allegation attached to Laura Brophy’s incorrect referral in 2013 when he showed Mr D the referral.

And just to show how stinky this cesspit is when Williams interviewed Ms D he brought along a videographer to record the interview for the Irish Independent. The person Williams used as the videographer was none other than Noirin OSullivans son.

So you can just imagine the scene in the OSullivan household later than evening when Noirin, her husband Chief Superintendent Jim McGowan (who previously led an investigation into Maurice McCabe) and her son with his video all sit down around the TV to watch Paul Williams interview Mrs D about her allegations against Maurice McCabe. The entire OSullivan household are watching this video with baited breath and celebrating as they think they finally have some evidence to bury Maurice McCabe. How wrong they were, McCabe has run rings around them at every single juncture, as he did with Shatter and Callinan before.

Paul Williams should hang his head in shame, he is a disgrace to journalism.

Odhinn

In addition, he was a member of the team that whistleblowers in the Gardai were supposed to liase with, I think.

McMurphy

Just seen that all Garda overtime has been cancelled.

Budget exhausted.

This is Ireland 2017, let's keep the recovery going.

Captain Obvious

Rick Shaw wrote: »

Just seen that all Garda overtime has been cancelled.

Budget exhausted.

This is Ireland 2017, let's keep the recovery going.

It's grand. Leo says that Garda management just forgot that December overtime is paid in January.

James Brown

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It's grand. Leo says that Garda management just forgot that December overtime is paid in January.

Where did he get the money from?

Wait, seen:

However, he said, it was agreed by Cabinet yesterday that there will be a supplementary estimate for the Garda of €50m to cover pay, including €42m for overtime.

Mr Varadkar said that because overtime is paid for a month in arrears, this meant that December's overtime would be covered in the 2018 budget.

If it was there and budgeted for, how's it 'supplementary'? He's like a student pulling the wool over his flatmates re: rent.

So the Assistant Commissioner can't do basic budgeting. Fair enough.

blanch152

Muahahaha wrote: »

And just to show how stinky this cesspit is when Williams interviewed Ms D he brought along a videographer to record the interview for the Irish Independent. The person Williams used as the videographer was none other than Noirin OSullivans son.

So you can just imagine the scene in the OSullivan household later than evening when Noirin, her husband Chief Superintendent Jim McGowan (who previously led an investigation into Maurice McCabe) and her son with his video all sit down around the TV to watch Paul Williams interview Mrs D about her allegations against Maurice McCabe. The entire OSullivan household are watching this video with baited breath and celebrating as they think they finally have some evidence to bury Maurice McCabe. How wrong they were, McCabe has run rings around them at every single juncture, as he did with Shatter and Callinan before.

Paul Williams should hang his head in shame, he is a disgrace to journalism.

Do you have any evidence for the bit in bold, or are you just slinging mud?

Odhinn

"The Acting Garda Commissioner Dónall Ó Cualáin has written to the Minister for Justice passing on the concerns of a senior official about the operation of the Disclosures Tribunal unit within the gardaí.

The unit is responsible for co-ordinating documentation for the inquiry.

It is understood the letter was sent under Section 41 of the Garda Síochána Act, which requires the Garda Commissioner to bring significant developments to the Minister's attention. It was sent this week.

The issues were raised by the head of Garda Human Resources John Barrett, who is concerned that the unit is not representing all gardaí at the tribunal.

He has said that the unit should have been outsourced so that coordination with the tribunal is handled externally."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1130/924069-concerns-raised-over-tribunal-unit-within-the-gardai/

On the same vein, from september......

"It has emerged that Ms O'Sullivan is continuing to avail of services provided by the internal unit in Garda Headquarters which was set up to liaise with the Disclosures Tribunal. The tribunal, led by Mr Justice Peter Charleton, resumes its hearings today into the alleged smear campaigns against Garda whistleblowers.

"Ms O'Sullivan and Mr Callinan - who both resigned under clouds of controversy - are accused of being complicit in the smear campaign. But the Irish Independent can reveal that since Ms O'Sullivan's departure last week, head of HR John Barrett has expressed deep disquiet over the continued access to the unit.

Mr Barrett has told colleagues he intends to formally express his concerns to Judge Charleton over the access. The Dáil previously heard claims Ms O'Sullivan appointed some of her close friends to the unit - some of them retired gardaí."

Among those appointed to the unit are retired assistant commissioner Mick O'Sullivan and former chief superintendent Brendan Mangan.

The unit is headed up by Detective Supt Tony Howard, who was involved in investigating Mr Taylor over an unrelated issue. Mr Howard is assisted by Sgt Sinead Greene. Both officers previously reported to Ms O'Sullivan's husband, Detective Chief Supt Jim McGowan."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/concern-over-osullivans-continued-access-to-liaison-unit-36141288.html

From March -

"It can also be revealed that Detective Superintendent Tony Howard has been made go-between for the force and Judge Charleton.

This is despite the fact that the officer is a close associate of both Commissioner and her husband Detective Chief Supt Jim McGowan."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/associates-will-form-ring-of-steel-around-garda-chief-in-inquiry-35517875.html

You wonder if there's any will to bring the Gardai to heel at all.

Water John

It seems the Acting Garda Commisioner is quite different than the 2 who went before him. That is, according to Mr. Barrett.
Looks like the whole thing had become , a bit of a personal fiefdom.

All Gardai and retired Gardai would want to consider that, their loyalty is to the state and its citizens.

Odhinn

Water John wrote: »

It seems the Acting Garda Commisioner is quite different than the 2 who went before him. That is, according to Mr. Barrett.
Looks like the whole thing had become , a bit of a personal fiefdom.

All Gardai and retired Gardai would want to consider that, their loyalty is to the state and its citizens.

As stated before, certainly Callinan demanded absolute unquestioning obedience and loyalty, and defined those terms as he saw fit. What previous other commissioners were like I have no idea. He saw no difference (or at least maintained) no difference between the state and the gardai - undermining one was undermining the other, and any means could be used to stop this happening. Of course this is an ideal framework for forwarding ones own agenda.