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Garda & Cyclist close call

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    #212
    Abbey47
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Abbey47


    The driver was aggressive, impatient and imp incorrect but that does my take away from the fact that the hero cyclist who 100% took a certain position to show the car owner who's boss.. And imo the cyclist picked a fight here and was a bigger arsehole than the driver.. Once again il say, the driver was wrong but the cyclist was thinking about posting a video from the minute that car came into his view..


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    #213
    mp31
    Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭mp31


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    He pulled out as far as he could, held back and then accelerated

    ... and thereby endangering the cyclist and breaking the rules of the road (see below kindly provided by another poster)
    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    SI No. 182 of 1997. s. 10 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print

    (1) A driver shall not overtake, or attempt to overtake, if to do so would endanger, or cause inconvenience to, any other person.
    (2) A driver shall not overtake, or attempt to overtake, unless the roadway ahead of the driver—

    ( a ) is free from approaching traffic, pedestrians and any obstruction, and

    ( b ) is sufficiently long and wide to permit the overtaking to be completed without danger or inconvenience to other traffic or pedestrians.

    It is a stated penalty-point offence with 2 points and a fine of €80.
    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    As I said before in this thread, would the cyclist have done the same thing if it had been a garda car in full livery? Of course not, so he was obviously trying to police this lane himself.

    Who knows what the cyclist would have done - it's irrelevant. The cyclist was attempting to ensure his own safety against the actions of another driver.


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    #214
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 7,882 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    mp31 wrote: »
    ... and thereby endangering the cyclist and breaking the rules of the road (see below kindly provided by another poster)





    Who knows what the cyclist would have done - it's irrelevant. The cyclist was attempting to ensure his own safety against the actions of another driver.

    No the cyclist was trying to police the lane after he realised he was going to be overtaken by a car he thought shouldn't have been in the bus lane.

    If he was attempting to ensure his own safety he would have taken a dominant lane position before opening himself up to being overtaken dangerously. I'm not excusing the dangerous driving I'm refuting the idea that he made the situation any safer for himself by blocking the overtake and then goading the driver


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    #215
    mp31
    Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭mp31


    Abbey47 wrote: »
    Once again il say, the driver was wrong but the cyclist was thinking about posting a video from the minute that car came into his view..

    .. or maybe the cyclist was just thinking about the best way to maintain his own safety


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    #216
    Abbey47
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Abbey47


    mp31 wrote: »
    .. or maybe the cyclist was just thinking about the best way to maintain his own safety

    Whatever u may think urself but if that's how he "protects" himself cycling round the city he's on a fast track to disaster imo.. Nothing at all safe about his actions.. And remember were not discussing the drivers actions as I'm sure nobody here will say he covered himself in glory either.


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    #217
    traprunner
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    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    No the cyclist was trying to police the lane after he realised he was going to be overtaken by a car he thought shouldn't have been in the bus lane.

    If he was attempting to ensure his own safety he would have taken a dominant lane position before opening himself up to being overtaken dangerously. I'm not excusing the dangerous driving I'm refuting the idea that he made the situation any safer for himself by blocking the overtake and then goading the driver


    You've heard from many cyclists that they believe that he was attempting to ensure his safety. They came to this conclusion through experience of cycling around Dublin. How did you manage to read the cyclists mind come to your conclusion?


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    #218
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,654 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I think the whole Crux of the matter is the driver is a member of the police force who are tasked with upholding the law and protecting public safety, his actions were completely unnecessary in forcing his way down the bus lane, and if the Garda in question truly believed that the bicyclist was breaking the rules he would have pulled over, taken his details and/or called for the traffic corps to come deal with the issue.


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    #219
    Chronicler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 48 ✭Chronicler


    traprunner wrote: »
    They came to this conclusion through experience of cycling around Dublin.

    I suspect it was more of a kneejerk herd reaction to jump to the defence of 'one of their own'.

    traprunner wrote: »
    How did you manage to read the cyclists mind come to your conclusion?

    For me, I watched the video.


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    #220
    BoardsMember
    Registered Users Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    Lumen wrote: »
    Therefore we should expect the driver to be the bigger person, particularly when they're a member of AGS.

    Hmmm...expect, as in that is the way an officer of the law should act, or that is the way we think they are likely to act. For me, it's the latter, as I too have been on the bad end of a Garda being completely in the wrong a few times and using bullying tactics to finish things off


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    #221
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Chronicler wrote: »
    I suspect it was more of a kneejerk herd reaction to jump to the defence of 'one of their own'.

    I think you'll find that most cyclists also drive too. So one of their own is also a motorist.


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    #222
    magicbastarder
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    Chronicler wrote: »
    I suspect it was more of a kneejerk herd reaction to jump to the defence of 'one of their own'.
    i'd hazard a guess that the considerable majority of cyclists here are also motorists. why aren't they also having a kneejerk reaction in favour of the motorist?

    or does the idea that someone who is a cyclist and a motorist, will probably have a more nuanced opinion than someone who is only a motorist, not sit well with you?


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    #223
    Chronicler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 48 ✭Chronicler


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i'd hazard a guess that the considerable majority of cyclists here are also motorists. why aren't they also having a kneejerk reaction in favour of the motorist?

    or does the idea that someone who is a cyclist and a motorist, will probably have a more nuanced opinion than someone who is only a motorist, not sit well with you?

    Who do you think is 'only a motorist' as a matter of interest?


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    #224
    Darkglasses
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,526 Mod ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Didn't the RSA run a campaign called 'Staying Alive at 1.5', i.e cars should leave 1.5m to overtake cyclists?

    No, that was one private individual in Wexford working selflessly. Those shaggers deserve no credit for that one.


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    #225
    nomdeboardie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    Lumen wrote: »
    The difference is that the driver is operating a couple of tons of killing machine and the cyclist in on 20kgs of metal tubes and rubber.

    Therefore we should expect the driver to be the bigger person, particularly when they're a member of AGS.
    I'd be thinking more of "duty of care" than "being the bigger person"


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    #226
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    it's mandatory for a cyclist to use hand gestures, such as when indicating intention to change lane or execute a turn.

    If only that were the actual hand/arm gestures given.....


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    #227
    h2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭h2005


    It's a meeting of two tossers. However the cops actions are the only ones thast could result in injury.


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    #228
    magicbastarder
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    Chronicler wrote: »
    Who do you think is 'only a motorist' as a matter of interest?
    the hypothetical motorist who doesn't cycle, from my question.


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    #229
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    bubblypop wrote: »
    The car was a Garda car.
    Quite entitled to drive in the bus lane

    It was an unmarked Garda car so in my view it had no business in

    the bus lane. I'm well aware that emergency vehicles have priority

    should they need access in an emergency but this was no emergency

    but poor driving and behaviour from a public servant.

    I still argue though that cyclists should not be allowed on

    the quays and that this cyclist should have more regard for other road users

    especially on a bike like that.


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    #230
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    TheQuietFella wrote: »
    It was an unmarked Garda car so in my view it had no business in

    the bus lane. I'm well aware that emergency vehicles have priority

    should they need access in an emergency but this was no emergency

    but poor driving and behaviour from a public servant.

    I still argue though that cyclists should not be allowed on

    the quays     and that cyclist should have more regard for other road users

    especially on a bike like that.

    Why?

    There's nothing inherently dangerous about the Quays - it's driver behaviour that makes them problematic - why not remove the danger through enforcement and engineering instead of removing a class of road user?


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    #231
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    TheQuietFella wrote: »


    I still argue though that cyclists should not be allowed on

    the quays and that cyclist should have more regard for other road users

    You could look at it another way - the quays are in essence a dual carriageway of fast moving vehicular traffic either side.

    Remove all these vehicles, create a nice cycle track, greenery and decent public path and problem solved.


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    #232
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Why?

    There's nothing inherently dangerous about the Quays - it's driver behaviour that makes them problematic - why not remove the danger through enforcement and engineering instead of removing a class of road user?

    I'm a little confused by your post JG. Is it driver behaviour or cyclist behaviour
    that makes who or what problematic? Who is classed as the danger?


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    #233
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    You could look at it another way - the quays are in essence a dual carriageway of fast moving vehicular traffic either side.

    Remove all these vehicles, create a nice cycle track, greenery and decent public path and problem solved.

    Maybe that is the answer!


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    #234
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    TheQuietFella wrote: »
    I'm a little confused by your post JG. Is it driver behaviour or cyclist behaviour
    that makes who or what problematic? Who is classed as the danger?

    Driver behaviour, in my view. A cyclist acting the maggot on the road is only ever going to hurt himself, a driver acting the maggot is likely only to hurt someone else and walk away largely unscathed.

    Why do you think the Quays are so dangerous cyclists should be excluded from them?


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    #235
    beauf
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    Abbey47 wrote: »
    Whatever u may think urself but if that's how he "protects" himself cycling round the city he's on a fast track to disaster imo.. Nothing at all safe about his actions.. .

    While I don't think the cyclist needed to move further into the lane, it would have been a more instructional video if he hadn't and the car had squeezed past.

    But taking the lane is safer in many situations.


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    #236
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 7,882 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    taking the lane is safer if you do it before someone starts overtaking you, not while they're overtaking.. that's what caused the issue, him not being on the ball with his 'defensive' riding (which in this case turned into him endangering himself and angering the audi)


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    #237
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    I'm just making the point it's not normal taking the lane in this video.


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    #238
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Garda are trained to de-escalate situations and keep the peace. This makes his actions even more wrong.


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    #239
    BoardsMember
    Registered Users Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    taking the lane is safer if you do it before someone starts overtaking you, not while they're overtaking.. that's what caused the issue, him not being on the ball with his 'defensive' riding (which in this case turned into him endangering himself and angering the audi)

    Nail hit on head...


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    #240
    DirkVoodoo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,504 ✭✭✭✭DirkVoodoo


    wotswattage wrote: »
    I do agree here, but some cyclists (and I am a cyclist) want one set of rules when a car is passing them out but feel a completely different set apply when they are passing cars....

    Wow, that's plainly ridiculous and I'd suggest you either google "bow waves" or maybe try the below experiment.

    Try passing alongside a stopped bus at < 0.5m
    Try letting a bus pass alongside you at <0.5m

    If you feel there is no difference, you are either riding in a vacuum or you're dead.

    The only danger a cyclist moving past a stopped car has is clipping your wing mirror, it's highly unlikely that you will be blown off the road or sucked under one of their wheels.


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    #241
    nomdeboardie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    DirkVoodoo wrote: »
    Wow, that's plainly ridiculous and I'd suggest you either google "bow waves" or maybe try the below experiment.

    Try passing alongside a stopped bus at < 0.5m
    Try letting a bus pass alongside you at <0.5m

    If you feel there is no difference, you are either riding in a vacuum or you're dead.

    The only danger a cyclist moving past a stopped car has is clipping your wing mirror, it's highly unlikely that you will be blown off the road or sucked under one of their wheels.
    Plus the cyclist knows exactly how far they are from a vehicle as they pass and can adjust immediately if necessary, wheras the driver has a limited view, displaced a few feet to the side


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