Garda & Cyclist close call

Muahahaha

Close enough call with an unmarked Garda in the bus lane. It seems the car drove right up the cyclists back wheel to scare him, then when they're stopped the Garda pulls his badge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgOuAowp_1Q

daymobrew

Please report this to the Garda Ombudsman.

With respect to "blocking the bus lane", you are right to do that so that a vehicle does not overtake dangerously close. It is called "taking the lane" and is good practice.

68 lost souls

Muahahaha wrote: »

Close enough call with an unmarked Garda in the bus lane. It seems the car drove right up the cyclists back wheel to scare him, then when they're stopped the Garda pulls his badge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgOuAowp_1Q

Should have got his badge number and reported him

Traumadoc

Is that Enda's driver?

BorneTobyWilde

68 lost souls wrote: »

Should have got his badge number and reported him

Face is clear as day as is reg of car, looks off duty? In his private car?
That is dangerous driving full stop. Hope he's made famous like the '' do you know who I am guy ''

ted1

Worst driving I've seen in a long time, absolutely report him to the Garda ombudsman / GSOC.
You were right to pull out as there was no safe place to pull him and let him pass as that's what he was insisting on doing

gctest50

video boy moved out in the lane to block the car

BorneTobyWilde

gctest50 wrote: »

video boy moved out in the lane to block the car

Yea he should of cycled into the gutter. Or maybe just get off the road altogether and walk on path.

Slattsy

Could he have blocked any more of the road? I've cycled that stretch of road many times and plenty of room to let cars by.

And as poster says above, he deliberately pulls out in front of car..
Serious attitude problem. Its almost like he was looking for trouble, he couldnt wait to get the camera on him and then "everything is recorded, watch what you say" :rolleyes:

Mycroft H

He failed the attitude test without even getting off the bike

ted1

Slattsy wrote: »

Could he have blocked any more of the road? I've cycled that stretch of road many times and plenty of room to let cars by.

And as poster says above, he deliberately pulls out in front of car..
Serious attitude problem. Its almost like he was looking for trouble, he couldnt wait to get the camera on him and then "everything is recorded, watch what you say" :rolleyes:

Audi don't make busses. Car shouldn't have been in the bus lane . The car tried to dangerously over take him , the safest place was to position himself as himself in the middle so the car can't cut him off.

Also it looks like a cargo bike so it's longer and wider than standard bikes.

gctest50

Just another one that's looking for "likes"

ED E

He cycled defensively. If you pull tight and car squeezes by you end up going over a bollard, if you occupy the lane when needed you prevent a dangerous overtake. Remember this is a cargo bike, he cant turn or stop on a dime.

Most likely a personal vehicle, no radio mounted on the lower side of the dash like the unmarked Mondeos.

Hope he reported the prick.

ted1

ted1 wrote: »

Audi don't make busses. Car shouldn't have been in the bus lane . The car tried to dangerously over take him , the safest place was to position himself as himself in the middle so the car can't cut him off.

The car was a Garda car.
Quite entitled to drive in the bus lane

punisher5112

Cyclist needs to go get some lessons on how to stay safe and not be such a fool cycling out in front of a vehicle like he did.

Please go do yourself a favour and cop on to yourself.

eeeee

The car drove aggressively right at the cyclists back wheel. There wasn't enough room for the car to go by the cargo bike safely. There really wasn't. Cyclist defended his position and stopped a dangerous close pass. Fair play to him for having the wherewithal to do it. He was absolutely right to do so. Absolutely no justification for drivers actions there.

punisher5112

ED E wrote: »

He cycled defensively. If you pull tight and car squeezes by you end up going over a bollard, if you occupy the lane when needed you prevent a dangerous overtake. Remember this is a cargo bike, he cant turn or stop on a dime.

Most likely a personal vehicle, no radio mounted on the lower side of the dash like the unmarked Mondeos.

Hope he reported the prick.

Calm down...

There is plenty of room on that road and the guy on the cargo bike should maybe consider learning how to ride it safely as pulling out to punish anyone as he did was silly.

That camera doesn't show the true width of road at that point.

He should keep as far left as is safe to do so but he decides oh I will go and ride out nearly touching the bus lane white line.

eeeee

punisher5112 wrote: »

Calm down...

There is plenty of room on that road and the guy on the cargo bike should maybe consider learning how to ride it safely as pulling out to punish anyone as he did was silly.

That camera doesn't show the true width of road at that point.

He should keep as far left as is safe to do so but he decides oh I will go and ride out nearly touching the bus lane white line.

*sigh* oh my. There isn't, there really isn't enough room for the car to go by a cargo bike in that lane. Cargo bikes are wider than normal bikes, and squeezing by with inches to spare isn't enough room :rolleyes:

Negative_G

ted1 wrote: »

Car shouldn't have been in the bus lane.

Except of course when the bus lane is not operational which may be the case along that part of the quays as it is not 24 hours.

It may well have been an official car also.

punisher5112

gadetra wrote: »

*sigh* oh my. There isn't, there really isn't enough room for the car to go by a cargo bike in that lane. Cargo bikes are wider than normal bikes, and squeezing by with inches to spare isn't enough room :rolleyes:

Sigh oh sigh.

If it were a truck or bus I would agree but the car was actually out over the white line and it was actually very slow.

If you all think this is deadly you in for a real shock if you were to go onto youtube and look up crashes and dashcam footage.

Mycroft H

Negative_G wrote: »

Except of course when the bus lane is not operational which may be the case along that part of the quays as it is not 24 hours.

It may well have been an official car also.

Garda is exempt from a lot of the Road Traffic laws no matter what he's driving in

eeeee

punisher5112 wrote: »

Sigh oh sigh.

If it were a truck or bus I would agree but the car was actually out over the white line and it was actually very slow.

If you all think this is deadly you in for a real shock if you were to go onto youtube and look up crashes and dashcam footage.

If it's not ok for a truck or a bus it's not ok for a car? The car was not over the white line, he was on it, but not really over it. The traffic in the lane beside him was heavy, it wasn't safe to over take the bike in the way he was going to, no matter how you want to spin it. It was a dangerous and unnecessary manouevre.

Negative_G

Mycroft H wrote: »

Garda is exempt from a lot of the Road Traffic laws no matter what he's driving in

Assuming this applies only when they are carrying out official duties.

Not when they need to run to the shop for milk.

Orion

punisher5112 wrote: »

Cyclist needs to go get some lessons on how to stay safe and not be such a fool cycling out in front of a vehicle like he did.

He kept himself safe by doing exactly that.

aloyisious

The car-driver has an obligation to use due care and attention when driving. The bike is shown on the camera footage as having a large basket-type fitting on the front enlarging it's overall size, which the car-driver may not have seen as he was behind the cyclist. The advice for cyclists is to occupy the proper amount of road space needed to ensure their safety from motor vehicles alongside or trying to overtake them on the road. That may not suit the driver of a vehicle behind a bicycle but bullying the cyclist by use of the vehicle is the same thing motorists are warned about using towards other motorists on carriageway lanes, the difference being the cyclist is not cocooned inside a vehicle providing some physical safety.

On the use of bus-lanes, a lot of motorists, incl Bus drivers, don't know that Leo Varadkar, while in the Environment Dept circa Oct/Nov 2011, changed the rules on bus lane use to allow cyclists also use them. Personally I prefer the cycle-lane where provided but will use the road when the lane is blocked by oddly-parked cars and lorries.

Simon201

Not really siding with anyone on this but whoever is wrong or right here, I think bike riders always need to remember the inevitable score when these two vehicles come into contact.

Car and driver - 1
Bike and rider - 0

Del2005

ted1 wrote: »

Audi don't make busses. Car shouldn't have been in the bus lane . The car tried to dangerously over take him , the safest place was to position himself as himself in the middle so the car can't cut him off.

Also it looks like a cargo bike so it's longer and wider than standard bikes.

It's not a buslane between 10 and 12 from the look of the shadows and lack of traffic it could have been the correct lane for the car to be in.

He should have taken the lane at the start not when there was a car by his side, yes the car was in the wrong for trying to pass but swerving into a car is never going to end well for a cyclist.

Orion

Simon201 wrote: »

Not really siding with anyone on this but whoever is wrong or right here, I think bike riders always need to remember the inevitable score when these two vehicles come into contact.

Car and driver - 1
Bike and rider - 0

Which is exactly why he defended himself from a dangerous overtaking maneuver.

wotswattage

gadetra wrote: »

The car drove aggressively right at the cyclists back wheel. There wasn't enough room for the car to go by the cargo bike safely. There really wasn't. Cyclist defended his position and stopped a dangerous close pass. Fair play to him for having the wherewithal to do it. He was absolutely right to do so. Absolutely no justification for drivers actions there.

I disagree. There was plenty of space for both. Even when the Garda car stopped it was still fully within the bus lane and on the left of the argument there were other cyclists undertaking the cargo bike. There was room in the lane for a bike, a cargo bike and a car! I've often cycled passed stationary buses on that stretch of road with loads of room on my outside.

Ok the driver was aggro after he was cut off but the cyclist was being overly militant and looking to wind people up.

Look at his other videos he boasts about splitting lanes between cars and hurting pedestrians if they get in his way. What if a driver will put up youtube videos where he/she threatens to hurt wayward cyclists??

One more thing directed at the uploader, if that's an undercover (note not unmarked) Garda car and not a Guards private car I wouldn't be putting up registration details or detectives faces in the public domain...

ED E

wotswattage wrote: »

What if a driver will put up youtube videos where he/she threatens to hurt wayward cyclists??

Nothing happens. A DB driver threatened to run a cyclist over remember? "I'll f-ckin kill you" or something to that effect.

eeeee

I cycle that way every week. There is absolutely not enough room on that stretch of road for a car to safely overtake a cargo bike without going across the white line into the lane beside it.

I haven't seen any of the cyclists other videos (my life is too short) so I can't judge his behaviour in other situation but in this case IMO he was justified in his position.

gctest50

gadetra wrote: »

*sigh* oh my. There isn't, there really isn't enough room for the car to go by a cargo bike in that lane. Cargo bikes are wider than normal bikes, and squeezing by with inches to spare isn't enough room :rolleyes:

no prob here :

Mycroft H

Negative_G wrote: »

Assuming this applies only when they are carrying out official duties.

Not when they need to run to the shop for milk.

See that's where it gets woolly. A Garda is really never off duty. Yes, they may not be on shift or in work, but, they still have the force of law behind them if needs be.

Who knows, he may have been a detective in plain clothes.

Del2005

Negative_G wrote: »

Assuming this applies only when they are carrying out official duties.

Not when they need to run to the shop for milk.

Gardai are always on duty.

wotswattage

ED E wrote: »

Nothing happens. A DB driver threatened to run a cyclist over remember? "I'll f-ckin kill you" or something to that effect.

I'm talking about a driver themselves getting a dash cam and putting up videos titled JUMP INTO MY WAY U GET HURT targeting cyclists...

EDIT: said I'd ad the video I'm talking about for clarity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FUW9alJ8Z0

Yer Aul One

I am 50/50 on this. I do think the car got too close to him initially, then i think the cyclist pushed out too far in almost retaliation.

But something I am totally sure about is that the cop accelerating right up to his wheel after that is atrocious behaviour. Nice garda car but!

wotswattage

gadetra wrote: »

I cycle that way every week. There is absolutely not enough room on that stretch of road for a car to safely overtake a cargo bike without going across the white line into the lane beside it.

I haven't seen any of the cyclists other videos (my life is too short) so I can't judge his behaviour in other situation but in this case IMO he was justified in his position.

And my life is too short to post a screenshot from the video showing the car, bike and cargo bike all 3 abreast within the bus lane.

jelutong

Even if the cyclist was out of order does it excuse the the attitude of the front seat passenger? What's it got to do with him? Aren't we lucky to have those brave men defending us against dangerous cyclists. The cheek of him to speak up for himself.

eeeee

gctest50 wrote: »

no prob here :

<snip>

Oh that was tight!

In fairness two very different situations. There's a world of difference in those two videos, they're not comparable situations at all! One an attempted aggressive overtake in moving traffic with not enough room to do so. The second video is of filtering. I wouldn't have the balls to have done it on a cargo bike myself but as the subject of this thread is the first video, a completely different situation, I have to say it was a completely unnecessary and indefensible move on the garda's behalf.

wotswattage

Yer Aul One wrote: »

I am 50/50 on this. I do think the car got too close to him initially, then i think the cyclist pushed out too far in almost retaliation.

But something I am totally sure about is that the cop accelerating right up to his wheel after that is atrocious behaviour. Nice garda car but!

I do agree here, but some cyclists (and I am a cyclist) want one set of rules when a car is passing them out but feel a completely different set apply when they are passing cars....

Terrlock

The car was driving way to aggressively and totally in the wrong here.

He had no consideration for the life of the cyclist what so ever.

He needs be taken off the road altogether with that type of behavior.

kirving

ED E wrote: »

Nothing happens. A DB driver threatened to run a cyclist over remember? "I'll f-ckin kill you" or something to that effect.

To be honest I don't think that was an actual threat at all, more of a genuine warning to the cyclists who was in a dangerous position, where the tone of the drivers voice/accent didn't suit what he was trying to say.

dunworth1

One would wonder what would have happened if the cyclist had to brake while the car was practically on his back.

Going from the other video that was posted that cyclist isn't a good cyclist but still no excuse to get threatened like that especially from someone who is supposed to protect you from this sort of thing

Should be reported if a normal member of the public did that and a squad car spotted it they would have been pulled

Being a garda should not mean that you are above the law.

Tigger

bubblypop wrote: »

The car was a Garda car.
Quite entitled to drive in the bus lane

Wasnt a Garda car. State cars don't have insurance discs.

Tigger

https://www.google.ie/search?q=off+duty+garda&oq=off+duty+garda&aqs=chrome..69i57.3674j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

of course Gardai can be off duty they might be bound to not let crimes go ignored but they don't get to drive in Bus lanes
mate of mine got a ticket from a Traffic Sargent before who told him to put his ID away

Yer Aul One

wotswattage wrote: »

I do agree here, but some cyclists (and I am a cyclist) want one set of rules when a car is passing them out but feel a completely different set apply when they are passing cars....

Yea I know, like its totally unacceptable for them for them to have to stop behind a bus/car. I know people want to keep the momentum up but some of the weaving in between lanes of stopped traffic is so dangerous.
People need to realise that vast majority of drivers are not good at looking in their mirrors!

CramCycle

gctest50 wrote: »

no prob here :

No actual issue with the lane splitting as traffic is stationary, he is an outrageous c*ck to the pedestrians though, being in the right and being right are two completely different things.

gadetra wrote: »

I cycle that way every week. There is absolutely not enough room on that stretch of road for a car to safely overtake a cargo bike without going across the white line into the lane beside it.

Completely agree, the only mistake was that the camera makes it look like he does it intentionally. The AUDI was already trying to overtake when he was in the correct position which would have skimmed him, he pulled out ASAP to make sure it did not happen. It was the right call.

Does that make him a good cyclist, of course not, he was right in this scenario but in the few videos that autoplayed on youtube he has shown some downright outrageous cycling in regards treatment towards pedestrians. If I didn't know any better, I would bet his bike was an AUDI.

jelutong wrote: »

Even if the cyclist was out of order does it excuse the the attitude of the front seat passenger? What's it got to do with him? Aren't we lucky to have those brave men defending us against dangerous cyclists. The cheek of him to speak up for himself.

not at all, I see stupid sh1t all the time when cycling or driving, does it give me the right to physically threaten or potentially harm the other person, of course not. Unless they are actively putting me in danger, then that's it, no matter what the adrenaline spike is telling me.

wotswattage wrote: »

I do agree here, but some cyclists (and I am a cyclist) want one set of rules when a car is passing them out but feel a completely different set apply when they are passing cars....

Passing stationary traffic in a vehicle where very tight control is possible at the slow speed being undertaken, or passing moving traffic in a vehicle that needs wider lanes the faster it goes due to unnoticeable issues when you are in said vehicle. Completely different scenarios and issues.

daveharnett

wotswattage wrote: »

if that's an undercover (note not unmarked) Garda car and not a Guards private car I wouldn't be putting up registration details or detectives faces in the public domain...

If an undercover cop is flashing his badge at gopro-wearing cyclists who piss him off, then it's in everybody's best interest that he gets back to stamping passport forms where he belongs.

endacl

Traumadoc wrote: »

Is that Enda's driver?

No. I don't have one.

Harrybelafonte

The main lesson from this thread is that drivers, including many who respond in this thread, do not understand what a safe passing distance is.

Also GoPro cyclists are pricks and dashcams are all good cos they have a different use. Or something.

Everytime I come on to these forums anymore I lose a little more faith in humanity and god, I really thought I was at my lowest point for that.

Jawgap

daveharnett wrote: »

If an undercover cop is flashing his badge at gopro-wearing cyclists who piss him off, then it's in everybody's best interest that he gets back to stamping passport forms where he belongs.

He wasn't an undercover officer.

That looks like a ministerial car so he was likely on his way from the Depot to the Dail - no reason for him to be in the bus lane, or if he really had to be in the bus lane because it was an urgent matter then he should've had his 'blues and twos' on.

He was basically using the bus lane to suit himself; for his own convenience - and got annoyed enough to, imo, use a ton of metal to try and intimidate a cyclists who, at worst was a little bit too far out in the bus lane.