Garda & Cyclist close call

John_Rambo

Biggest mistake - Accusing the cyclist of "blocking the bus lane" and then flashing his Garda ID. Stupid stupid stupid, makes him look like a bully and he knew it because as soon as he was told he was being recorded he sped off very quickly loosing all interest in his "who exactly are you" inquiry.

gctest50

John_Rambo wrote: »

Biggest mistake - Accusing the cyclist of "blocking the bus lane" and then flashing his Garda ID. Stupid stupid stupid, makes him look like a bully and he knew it because as soon as he was told he was being recorded he sped off very quickly loosing all interest in his "who exactly are you" inquiry.

Stupid stupid stupid,

It's very far from stupid - the garda was warning him he was a garda in case he might issue any threats

John_Rambo wrote: »

it because as soon as he was told he was being recorded he sped off very quickly loosing all interest in his "who exactly are you" inquiry.

maybe the garda had more important things to be doing instead of listening to pegboy with his go-pro


( presume he's delivering http://bigcandybox.com/rjs-licorice-raspberry-soft-eating-7-05-ounce-peg-bag-10-count or similar )

Jawgap

gctest50 wrote: »

It's very far from stupid - the garda was warning him he was a garda in case he might issue any threats




maybe the garda had more important things to be doing instead of listening to pegboy with his go-pro


( presume he's delivering http://bigcandybox.com/rjs-licorice-raspberry-soft-eating-7-05-ounce-peg-bag-10-count or similar )

.......and you know this how?

gctest50

John_Rambo wrote: »

Biggest mistake - Accusing the cyclist of "blocking the bus lane" and then flashing his Garda ID.

The garda asks him who he is, then shows his badge

about 39 seconds in :

John_Rambo

gctest50 wrote: »

It's very far from stupid - the garda was warning him he was a garda in case he might issue any threats

Which he didn't a soon as the recording was mentioned, why? Because it would have been stupid.

gctest50 wrote: »

maybe the garda had more important things to be doing instead of listening to pegboy with his go-pro

He is quiet clearly asking "exactly" who the cyclist was until the recording was mentioned, then he legged it, didn't year any radio go off, didn't hear him get a call.

He was wrong, he knew it and it's obvious by his actions. Wisest thing he did was leg it before me made it even worse.

John_Rambo

gctest50 wrote: »

The garda asks him who he is, then shows his badge

about 39 seconds in :

I know, I mentioned that, did you read my post? Then, when he realised he was being recorded did he follow it up? No, he legged it. That's my point.

The camera wearing cyclist had to get video. The cop was an idiot for providing subject matter. I trust if there are issues down the road, the cyclists other videos will be examined.............

Benevolent Misanthrope

gctest50 wrote: »

It's very far from stupid - the garda was warning him he was a garda in case he might issue any threats

So the Garda went from driving at the guy in a threatening manner to suddenly waving his Garda ID at him in an act of Christian kindness?

Ok, maybe that makes sense to you.

More hashtags than sense, as my dear departed mama might have said. Never :pac:

BorneTobyWilde

ThisRegard wrote: »

I'm enjoying the fact that the Garda twitter account posted this last week.

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/727827314340470784

Who wrote that? A 10 year old ?

magicbastarder

Deleted User wrote: »

The camera wearing cyclist had to get video. The cop was an idiot for providing subject matter. I trust if there are issues down the road, the cyclists other videos will be examined.............

you mean legal issues? the only video relevant here is the one showing the incident; it doesn't matter if there are other videos showing the cyclist is a hero rescue helicopter pilot or a mass murderer.

gctest50

or he has the hump about being stopped by garda traffic :

2RockMountain

wotswattage wrote: »

I do agree here, but some cyclists (and I am a cyclist) want one set of rules when a car is passing them out but feel a completely different set apply when they are passing cars....

Do you need somebody to explain the difference between the risks involved in those two different maneuvers to you?

seamus wrote: »

That is, he should have moved left to give himself more space and then made the universal "WTF are you doing you complete moron" arm gestures to the vehicle after it passed.

The problem is that once you get into gestures or swearing, it is very difficult to take any follow up action with the Gardai, as you leave yourself open to being charged with intimidating behaviour.

Jawgap wrote: »

No, he can't get into trouble. It was public space and at no point was he asked to stop recording.

It doesn't matter if he asked to stop recording or not - it is in a public space.

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

Sure there no risk he is a Guard if he runs over the lad on the bike it will be the fault of the lad on the bike.
And in this event there would be no pesky Youtube video online to say any different.

Why would you think that cameras wouldn't survive a crash? Or are you suggesting that the Garda will run over the guy, then get out and come back to the scene and find the 1 or 2 or 3 cameras, and hope that none of them are broadcasting live to a server somewhere, and hope that there is no driver with a dashcam, or other cyclist with a camera, or CCTV around?

Chronicler wrote: »

I'd always leave more than 0.5m gap.

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

You'd really want to be giving around a metre.

Not enough - 1.5m.

Psychosis wrote: »

I cycle and drive/motorbike and I really dont like the cyclists behavior here at all.

If a road is genuinely too narrow to allow a safe overtake then he should take the lane from the beginning and make it clear to other roads users. That's being assertive.

The worst thing to do is sit to the left tempting people to overtake then shoot out in front of them when they do.

He's about 1m out from the kerb - how is that 'tempting' anything? He's just cycling - it is up to the person overtaking to make sure they leave safe space.

Epicbutterfly wrote: »

I don't think I need to read what I saw in the video! Waving your hands and pulling out toward to right hand of the lane is dangerous and also giving a lot of safe cyclist a bad name. Mine included.

I don't get this 'giving a bad name' collective responsibility thing. Does the Audi driver give all Audi drivers a bad name? or all Gardai? Or just all drivers?

magicbastarder

2RockMountain wrote: »

I don't get this 'giving a bad name' collective responsibility thing. Does the Audi driver give all Audi drivers a bad name? or all Gardai? Or just all drivers?

giving mammals a bad name. i'll never trust capybaras as a result.

TheQuietFella

Jawgap wrote: »

Driver behaviour, in my view. A cyclist acting the maggot on the road is only ever going to hurt himself, a driver acting the maggot is likely only to hurt someone else and walk away largely unscathed.

Why do you think the Quays are so dangerous cyclists should be excluded from them?

I've driven along the Quays a few times and I appreciate how hard it is

to see them no matter how often or hard you look.

I also feel that of all road users they take the greater chances leaving it

to drivers of other vehicles to make allowances for their safety.

I also feel that they could be a little more considerate to other road users.

P.S. Since when have the footpaths of O'Connell Street become cycle lanes?

2RockMountain

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

It's not right that they can do that! It's not right that they think rules of the road don't apply to them. As far as I am aware, while they can pass a red light when lit and break speed limits (responding to a call siren and lights on) the requirement for them to drive safely and with due care and attention is not waived. Clearly this Garda is not driving with lights on/siren sounding and by attempting to overtake a cyclist without passing within a reasonable distance is both dangerous driving and driving without due care and attention. Thus, whether working or not, a potential offence under the RTA and possibly the Garda Diciplinary code has occurred.

As for flashing the badge...if the cyclist was wrong, the guard would be within his rights to detain the cyclist and request his name etc. That he did not do that would tend to give weight to them also using the ID for a purpose it is not intended — to intimidate, bully etc. This would also be a Diciplinary matter.

Indeed. It is interesting to note that the reg number of the Audi isn't coming up on motorcheck.ie or other sites. An unmarked Garda jeep passed me today, so I made a note of the reg and checked it tonight, and it does come up on motorcheck.ie. So what kind of car registration would not show up?

Darkglasses wrote: »

No, that was one private individual in Wexford working selflessly. Those shaggers deserve no credit for that one.

True, though in fairness, those shaggers have spent a fair bit of cash on TV adverts about overtaking cyclists leaving a 1.5m passing distance over the past 3 years.

frozenfrozen wrote: »

However.. would it have happened if the cyclist had looked behind him and seen a garda car in full livery? No, he would have got out of the way ASAP, so why does he think he is entitled to police the bus lane, only letting people pass who he decides

If you watch the video up until the point of the aggressive acceleration, the cyclist looks like a complete tool, he notices the audi coming up behind him, and when he looks back ( at around 14 seconds), the audi is over as far as it can go in the lane, ready to overtake, he is lingering there likely until the bike moves over to give him room, the bike stays left, and as soon as the car starts to overtake he sweeps back in to "control the lane"

You take up a dominant lane position to influence the decisions of other drivers, not to BLOCK them in the middle of a manoeuvre, it doesn't matter if that they're doing is legal or if they should be there or if they're a guard or anything, it would be like pulling out into the overtaking lane on the motorway because you see someone approaching doing over the speed limit

Why would you assume that he would treat a marked Garda car differently? No driver or cyclist is required to do anything special for a Garda car, unless they are travelling with siren and lights.
But let's be honest, this quandry about the timing of taking the lane is just nitpicking. The exaggerated 'sweeps back in' was the real give away. He wasn't in the gutter - he was about 1m out from the kerb at the start of the lane. It is up to anyone overtaking to make sure they had enough space.

frozenfrozen wrote: »

The car was being more courteous than most when overtaking a bike in a city, lets not be silly. He pulled out as far as he could, held back and then accelerated, before the bike pulled out to the middle of the lane to block him while braking.

So when you say 'as far as he could', what you really mean is 'as far as he could within the current lane, without have to wait and find a safe place to overtake giving the recommended 1.5m passing space.

wexandproud wrote: »

in this case the recommended 1.5m of passing space probably could not have been left .I would be a big supporter of the 1.5m campaign and was probably one of the first in the country to wear one of the jerseys but sometimes a little bit of common sense is needed and there are times when it is not practical , like in a city

Why is it 'not practical'? And if the driver couldn't give 1.5m, he could have just waiting until he had found somewhere with clear overtaking space.

Deleted User wrote: »

The camera wearing cyclist had to get video. The cop was an idiot for providing subject matter. I trust if there are issues down the road, the cyclists other videos will be examined.............

Good luck with that, as they say. The channel description explains that they have a number of different cyclists with cameras, so you're not going to be able to prove anything about the cyclist from other videos. And even if you did, how would it be relevant to this case?

magicbastarder

TheQuietFella wrote: »

I've driven along the Quays a few times and I appreciate how hard it is

to see them no matter how often or hard you look.

I also feel that of all road users they take the greater chances leaving it

to drivers of other vehicles to make allowances for their safety.

I also feel that they could be a little more considerate to other road users.

P.S. Since when have the footpaths of O'Connell Street become cycle lanes?

this doesn't rhyme.

micks

Personally I think this is a private car - do the Garda have 8 year old cars?
Although unclear from the vid - it looks like it has 2 discs insurance and tax - Garda cars dont
it also has a eflow tag - dont think garda cars do

So apart from being a dick - IMO shoulnt have been in the bus lane




IMO this made the cyclists day - made it worth wearing his cam
Just as well no-one stepped or fell in front of him while he was looking behind at the car

But is this about the video or will he report it

micks

2RockMountain wrote: »

Not enough - 1.5m.

Shame it doesnt work both ways
Some how it becomes a cars fault if they open a door a catch a bike?

A cyclist should also be leaving room when over taking

John_Rambo

micks wrote: »

IMO this made the cyclists day - made it worth wearing his cam
Just as well no-one stepped or fell in front of him while he was looking behind at the car

But is this about the video or will he report it

Don't you look behind you whilst cycling?

2RockMountain

micks wrote: »

Shame it doesnt work both ways
Some how it becomes a cars fault if they open a door a catch a bike?

A cyclist should also be leaving room when over taking

Yes, it should work both ways, and a cyclist should leave room when overtaking. But if a driver opens a door without looking, then yes, it is their fault.

But filtering is not the same as overtaking - different action all together.

Kaisr Sose

micks wrote: »

Personally I think this is a private car - do the Garda have 8 year old cars?

But is this about the video or will he report it

If the cyclist is reading this thread, yes, they should report it.

There are clear/potential issues of driving without due care and attention, aggressive behaviour, dangerous driving (these conditions are not waived for on duty / official driving even if pursuing a suspect etc), plus if not an official car, definite illegal use of the bus lane, possibly exceeding the speed limit, and use of the Garda badge for personal gain/self interest.

magicbastarder

magicbastarder wrote: »

you mean legal issues? the only video relevant here is the one showing the incident; it doesn't matter if there are other videos showing the cyclist is a hero rescue helicopter pilot or a mass murderer.

Isn't this what they call "reducto ad absurdum"? Well done!

gctest50

micks wrote: »

Personally I think this is a private car - do the Garda have 8 year old cars?

Although unclear from the vid - it looks like it has 2 discs insurance and tax - Garda cars dont
it also has a eflow tag - dont think garda cars do

So apart from being a dick - IMO shoulnt have been in the bus lane

But is this about the video or will he report it

c/w magic flashing headlights ?

John_Rambo

The driver says:

"Sorry, who exactly are you, this is a police car, you're blocking the bus lane, I'm just asking who you are"

As soon as the driver is told it's all being recorded he drives off.

Could be someone pretending to be a Garda. Now that would be of interest to the Gardai.

Kaisr Sose

A few posts back somebody said they checked the reg and nothing came up but marked Garda cars were coming up. These could be 'Ghost' plates that are issued for diplomatic/Govt cars —the actual reg plate hides behind the ghost plate. I know they use them in other countries but did not know they had them here. Makes sense for them to have them though.

Slattsy

John_Rambo wrote: »

The driver says:

"Sorry, who exactly are you, this is a police car, you're blocking the bus lane, I'm just asking who you are"

As soon as the driver is told it's all being recorded he drives off.

Could be someone pretending to be a Garda. Now that would be of interest to the Gardai.

Go home you're drunk.

stoplooklisten

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

A few posts back somebody said they checked the reg and nothing came up but marked Garda cars were coming up. These could be 'Ghost' plates that are issued for diplomatic/Govt cars —the actual reg plate hides behind the ghost plate. I know they use them in other countries but did not know they had them here. Makes sense for them to have them though.

Have we a clear shot of the plates? According to wiki

Diplomatic plates are very similar to civilian format, except the small "CD" between index mark code and serial number.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Special_formats

John_Rambo

Slattsy wrote: »

Go home you're drunk.

Touche! I'm home and sober, did you listen to the audio? That's what the driver said and we've all these experts telling us it's not a Garda car.

Edit - if it's some dude pretending to be a Garda bullying his way up the bus lane and admonishing cyclists for "blocking" his way in his (quote) "police" car, behaving aggressively and tailgating people, the Gardai would be very interested.

ThisRegard

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

A few posts back somebody said they checked the reg and nothing came up but marked Garda cars were coming up. These could be 'Ghost' plates that are issued for diplomatic/Govt cars —the actual reg plate hides behind the ghost plate. I know they use them in other countries but did not know they had them here. Makes sense for them to have them though.

I never heard of such things but the diplomatic cars that I see have real plates.