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Would the PIRA be talked about differently if they achieved a United Ireland?

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    #962
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    But yet you can't provide proof of elected politians killed the pira :rolleyes:
    make sense, child


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    #963
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    maryishere wrote: »
    make sense, child

    You said the pira killed elected politians in three juristocans and have now refused to provide proof


    How is that


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    #964
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Collusion wasn't an overnight thing alright neither was bloody sunday

    Nor bloody Friday, nor any other bloody day of the blood stained Troubles..

    Tell me something Tom, why do you defend and support the Provisiona IRA (Balcombe St4 Inc)?


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    #965
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    You said the pira killed elected politians in three juristocans and have now refused to provide proof


    How is that

    I said "Anyone with even basic knowledge of the "troubles" would know of politicians murdered in N. Ireland, Rep of Ireland and in Britain. Google for yourself if your reading / education does not extend beyond "an Phoblocht"".

    Do you really have a mental age of 10? Quite seriously, did your education not extend beyond "an Phoblocht"? Even if you are not old enough to remember PIRA atrocities, did you never read about them?


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    #966
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    maryishere wrote: »
    I said "Anyone with even basic knowledge of the "troubles" would know of politicians murdered in N. Ireland, Rep of Ireland and in Britain. Google for yourself if your reading / education does not extend beyond "an Phoblocht"".

    Do you really have a mental age of 10? Quite seriously, did your education not extend beyond "an Phoblocht"? Even if you are not old enough to remember PIRA atrocities, did you never read about them?

    Still no proof of those killed in 3 areas by the pira

    Yawn


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    #967
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    You said the pira killed elected politians in three juristocans and have now refused to provide proof

    I never mentioned "juristocans".

    Howver, as they may not have taught you much yet, if you check you will find Billy Fox (3 January 1939 – 12 March 1974) was a protestant Irish politician and a member of Dáil Éireann from 1969 to 1973,[2] and of Seanad Éireann from 1973 until his death in March 1974. He was shot dead by gunmen who were allegedly carrying out a raid on his girlfriend's farmhouse in Monaghan. Five members of the Provisional IRA were convicted of involvement in his murder.

    Now, do you really want me to show you politicians murdered by by your "heroes" the PIRA in N. Ireland and Britain too? Time you done your own research, old son.


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    #968
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    maryishere wrote: »
    I never mentioned "juristocans".

    Howver, as they may not have taught you much yet, if you check you will find Billy Fox (3 January 1939 – 12 March 1974) was a protestant Irish politician and a member of Dáil Éireann from 1969 to 1973,[2] and of Seanad Éireann from 1973 until his death in March 1974. He was shot dead by gunmen who were allegedly carrying out a raid on his girlfriend's farmhouse in Monaghan. Five members of the Provisional IRA were convicted of involvement in his murder.

    Now, do you really want me to show you politicians murdered by by your "heroes" the PIRA in N. Ireland and Britain too? Time you done your own research, old son.

    So he wasn't an elected politians when killed??
    Afaik he was appointed :P


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    #969
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Still no proof of those killed in 3 areas by the pira

    Yawn
    Ok, to give you but 2 examples from N. I. now.
    Ever hear of Robert Bradford or Edgar Graham?
    Reverend Robert Jonathan Bradford (8 June 1941 – 14 November 1981) was a Methodist Minister and a Vanguard Unionist and Ulster Unionist Member of Parliament for the Belfast South constituency in Northern Ireland until his assassination by the Provisional Irish Republican Army on 14 November 1981.

    Poor you, you have been so indoctrinated little tomwaterford you and the other ira-fanboys do not realise you have been so brainwashed. I feel sorry for you.


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    #970
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    maryishere wrote: »
    Ok, to give you but 2 examples from N. I. now.
    Ever hear of Robert Bradford or Edgar Graham?
    Reverend Robert Jonathan Bradford (8 June 1941 – 14 November 1981) was a Methodist Minister and a Vanguard Unionist and Ulster Unionist Member of Parliament for the Belfast South constituency in Northern Ireland until his assassination by the Provisional Irish Republican Army on 14 November 1981.

    Poor you, you have been so indoctrinated little tomwaterford you and the other ira-fanboys do not realise you have been so brainwashed. I feel sorry for you.

    That's only two juristans (1 of which you moved the goalpost from elected to selected)

    ....like I said before I do regard brain washed as a personal insult....

    Be much obliged if you'd withdraw such


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    #971
    davycc
    Registered Users Posts: 9,019 ✭✭✭davycc


    maryishere wrote: »
    Not surprising as the PIRA murdered democratically elected politicians in the North , South and in Britain.

    Anyone with even basic knowledge of the "troubles" would know of politicians murdered in N. Ireland, Rep of Ireland and in Britain. Google for yourself if your reading / education does not extend beyond "an Phoblocht".

    apart from the Sen. Fox what other other democratically elected politicians in the North , South and in Britain where murdered by the PIRA ? i can think of a famous one by the INLA in London but you must know tonnes more about the topic than stupid little potato eating me, its your ''claim'' so back it up if its so obvious for you.. asking people to google your claims is taking the piss and not the way to openly debate .


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    #972
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Because I've seen/know people who have lost everything to the troubles and know that only for the ira defending its communities

    Poor chap, you have actually been brainwashed into believing that your beloved Provo's protected its communities by knee capping its own, and blowing hundreds of people to kingdom come!

    The world over knows about the exploits of the Provo's, and its not a good image to be a supporter of said terrorist group, even if you think it is.

    Most nationalists, I said MOST NATIONALISTS supported the SDLP in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. The SDLP strove for change in NI without the need to Bomb and murder, and for that they should always be congratulated . . . . .

    The PIRA and their supporters were/are? a narrow minded blood thirsty mono cultural blimkered bunch of cavemen, intent on doing as much damage as they could, in order to break the link between Northern Unionism and GB.

    What a stupid, flawed, hopeless and inept ideology it was.


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    #973
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Poor chap, you have actually been brainwashed into believing that your beloved Provo's protected its communities by knee capping its own, and blowing hundreds of people to kingdom come!

    The world over knows about the exploits of the Provo's, and its not a good image to be a supporter of said terrorist group, even if you think it is.

    Most nationalists, I said MOST NATIONALISTS supported the SDLP in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. The SDLP strove for change in NI without the need to Bomb and murder, and for that they should always be congratulated . . . . .

    The PIRA and their supporters were/are? a narrow minded blood thirsty mono cultural blimkered bunch of cavemen, intent on doing as much damage as they could, in order to brake the link between Northern Unionism and GB.

    What a stupid, flawed, hopeless and inept ideology it was.

    Nice to gloss over some of people's I know experience of the troubles

    To refuse to even acknowledge these wrongs says so much about you



    And to brush it off to go on a hate of republicans filled rant :(


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    #974
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    That's only two juristans

    What is a juristan?

    Anyway, to give you but one example of an elected politician murdered by your beloved PIRA in Britain, one of those murdered in the Brighton bombing was Conservative MP Sir Anthony Berry.


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    #975
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    And to brush it off to go on a hate of republicans filled rant :(

    You could say that again, and again . . . .

    Not that I have any time for Loyalist terrorists either. (just as bad).


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    #976
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Poor chap, you have actually been brainwashed into believing that your beloved Provo's protected its communities by knee capping its own, and blowing hundreds of people to kingdom come!

    The world over knows about the exploits of the Provo's, and its not a good image to be a supporter of said terrorist group, even if you think it is.

    Most nationalists, I said MOST NATIONALISTS supported the SDLP in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. The SDLP strove for change in NI without the need to Bomb and murder, and for that they should always be congratulated . . . . .

    The PIRA and their supporters were/are? a narrow minded blood thirsty mono cultural blimkered bunch of cavemen, intent on doing as much damage as they could, in order to break the link between Northern Unionism and GB.

    What a stupid, flawed, hopeless and inept ideology it was.


    Wow, so much hatred in you.


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    #977
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Wow, so much hatred in you.

    When people come on here and openly support the Provisional IRA & what they did, then I see no problem in getting annoyed.

    I mean, for God's sake, even one of their posters is called BalcombeST4.

    That alone is enough to get me going.


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    #978
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Nice to gloss over some of people's I know experience of the troubles

    (

    You are not even aware of much of the troubles, only one slanted side. You even did not know of politicians murdered by the PIRA in N. I, Rep of I and Britain until I had to educate you. And yet you try to speak with such authority as if you know something.

    I asked you before, quite seriously, did your education not extend beyond "an Phoblocht"?


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    #979
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    maryishere wrote: »
    You are not even aware of much of the troubles, only one slanted side. You even did not know of politicians murdered by the PIRA in N. I, Rep of I and Britain until I had to educate you. And yet you try to speak with such authority as if you know something.

    I asked you before, quite seriously, did your education not extend beyond "an Phoblocht"?

    I knew they had...but you said elected politians....senators are selected


    Why do I bother when you move goalposts to suit your half truths


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    #980
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Not that I have any time for Loyalist terrorists either.

    Except for the ones in the so-called 'security forces'.


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    #981
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    I knew they had...but you said elected politians....senators are selected

    He was an elected TD for 4 years until months before he was murdered, and was still a full time paid Fine Gael politician and member of the senate when he was murdered. The MP's murdered by the PIRA in N. Ireland and Britain were elected politicians too.


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    #982
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Except for the ones in the so-called 'security forces'.

    Big respect to the security forces (Bad apples excluded - obviously).

    They were between a rock & a hard place. The army in particular (a blunt tool) was tasked with an impossible job to do a policing job in a UK civilian setting (not a good idea.).


    The UVF,UFF,UDA etc were on the other hand no better than the PIRA/INLA in my opinion.


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    #983
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Big respect to the security forces. They were between a rock & a hard place.
    Bad apples excluded - obviously.

    The UVF,UFF,UDA etc were on the other hand no better than the PIRA/INLA in my opinion.

    Why were they helping loyalists to kill nationalists then??


    You have heard of collusion???


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    #984
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    maryishere wrote: »
    He was an elected TD for 4 years until months before he was murdered, and was still a full time paid Fine Gael politician and member of the senate when he was murdered. The MP's murdered by the PIRA in N. Ireland and Britain were elected politicians too.

    But alas he wasn't an elected politians when killed as you implied originally

    It's ok to admit you got muddled...no one really cares :)


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    #985
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Why were they helping loyalists to kill nationalists then??

    You have heard of collusion???

    ... did I not mention the bad apples? see above in 983^


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    #986
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    LordSutch wrote: »
    ... did I not mention the bad apples? see above in 983^

    Bad apples are still representive of the British army and given 100s of innocent people died coz of collusion bad apples is of little help to them


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    #987
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Bad apples are still representive of the British army and given 100s of innocent people died coz of collusion bad apples is of little help to them

    Now now, dont get carried away with your 100s of people . . .

    The PIRA/INLA/UVF/UFF etc were the main drivers & subscribers to the conflict.

    The army tried to keep a lid on things, and for that we can all be eternally thankfull, otherwise there would have been a lot more death & destruction, by the PIRA etc etc etc.


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    #988
    davycc
    Registered Users Posts: 9,019 ✭✭✭davycc


    maryishere wrote: »
    He was an elected TD for 4 years until months before he was murdered, and was still a full time paid Fine Gael politician and member of the senate when he was murdered. The MP's murdered by the PIRA in N. Ireland and Britain were elected politicians too.

    which MPs where they ? you made the claim now the polite thing to do is answer it with out going on a predictable rant about an phoblact and brainwashing :)


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    #989
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    But alas he wasn't an elected politians

    He was elected and he was a politician. Like the MP's the PIRA murdered too. Sad you did not only not know about any of them but were adamant the PIRA did not murder politicians in the 3 "juristans".


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    #990
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    davycc wrote: »
    which MPs where they ? you made the claim now the polite thing to do is answer it with out going on a predictable rant about an phoblact and brainwashing :)
    I did answer it. See post 970 and 975.
    I feel sorry for you.


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    #991
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Now now, dont get carried away with your 100s of people . . .

    The PIRA/INLA/UVF/UFF etc were the main drivers & subscribers to the conflict.

    The army tried to keep a lid on things, and for that we can all be eternally thankfull, otherwise there would have been a lot more death & destruction, by the PIRA etc etc etc.

    You literally have no idea the scale of collusion :eek:

    If loyalist got 80+% of Intel off British and killed circa 1000 peeps of which 90+% are classed as civilians

    A first crunch of numbers before analysis comes in at 720 colluded murders of innocents....figures rarely lie


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