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Would the PIRA be talked about differently if they achieved a United Ireland?

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    #872
    KingBrian2
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    We should not be comparing atrocities. Childish and accomplishes nothing. We have to look to the future and the Island and Continent we share as home.


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    #873
    LordSutch
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    So here we are just a day after a plane has 'possibly' been downed by terrorist bomb? with the Egyptian navy now finding body parts in the Med, yet there are still those on here who would support what the PIRA got up to in the way of bombing buses, bombing pubs, bombing shops, taxi's etc, which resulted in body parts being left all over the roads ...

    It was the same after the Paris attacks, when some of the same Provo supporting characters were on here tut tutting at what the terrorists did in Paris, 'whilst bigging up' what the PIRA used to do in the name of the Irish people :cool:

    just a little ironic & sureal.


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    #874
    Lurkio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Lurkio


    LordSutch wrote: »
    So here we are just a day after a plane has 'possibly' been downed by terrorist bomb? with the Egyptian navy now finding body parts in the Med, yet there are still those on here who would support what the PIRA got up to in the way of bombing buses, bombing pubs, bombing shops, taxi's etc, which resulted in body parts being left all over the roads ...

    It was the same after the Paris attacks, when some of the same Provo supporting characters were on here condemning what the terrorists did in Paris 'whilst bigging up' what the PIRA used to do in the name of the irish people :cool:

    just a little ironic & sureal.

    Certainly there's a surreal quality to that first paragraph. One could swear that the majority killed were not only civillians, but solely civillians deliberately targeted. Brings me back to the 80's that.....every night "men of violence have reached a new low"....Gerry Fitt listing deaths in the North in the Lords and never mentioning one by the BA/RUC/UDR.....Today Tonight run by the stickies.....you could get 10 smokes (major) for 84/85p, I recall.


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    #875
    timthumbni
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    Lurkio wrote: »
    Certainly there's a surreal quality to that first paragraph. One could swear that the majority killed were not only civillians, but solely civillians deliberately targeted. Brings me back to the 80's that.....every night "men of violence have reached a new low"....Gerry Fitt listing deaths in the North in the Lords and never mentioning one by the BA/RUC/UDR.....Today Tonight run by the stickies.....you could get 10 smokes (major) for 84/85p, I recall.

    Yes, Gerry fitt was one of the main players throughout the NI troubles. Or maybe it was another Gerry who was number one. What was his name again?

    A man of many coats, a bit lke you Nodin,,


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    #876
    Banjoxed
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    Lurkio wrote: »
    Certainly there's a surreal quality to that first paragraph. One could swear that the majority killed were not only civillians, but solely civillians deliberately targeted. Brings me back to the 80's that.....every night "men of violence have reached a new low"....Gerry Fitt listing deaths in the North in the Lords and never mentioning one by the BA/RUC/UDR.....Today Tonight run by the stickies.....you could get 10 smokes (major) for 84/85p, I recall.

    God save us, Today Tonight run by the sticks being worse than incinerating dog lovers in La Mon? Remind me never to seek directions from your moral compass.


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    #877
    Lurkio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Lurkio


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Yes, Gerry fitt was one of the main players throughout the NI troubles. Or maybe it was another Gerry who was number one. What was his name again?

    A man of many coats, a bit lke you Nodin,,

    I am not, nor have I ever been, aboard the Wanderly Wagon.


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    #878
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    LordSutch wrote: »
    So here we are just a day after a plane has 'possibly' been downed by terrorist bomb? with the Egyptian navy now finding body parts in the Med, yet there are still those on here who would support what the PIRA got up to in the way of bombing buses, bombing pubs, bombing shops, taxi's etc, which resulted in body parts being left all over the roads ...

    It was the same after the Paris attacks, when some of the same Provo supporting characters were on here tut tutting at what the terrorists did in Paris, 'whilst bigging up' what the PIRA used to do in the name of the Irish people :cool:

    just a little ironic & sureal.

    Infact it's the complete opposite. It's showing how different the IRA ever was compared to this lot. There is nothing comparable with the IRA attacking a British military target and people bombing a plane or shooting dozens of people in a concert. It's an insult to the people killed in Paris, Belgium and on the plane to compare a guerrilla war to acts of pure savagery aimed against civilians.


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    #879
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Well this thread is about the IRA terrorist side apparently, and regarding the loyalist terrorists no one seems to be shouting their corner or justifying them on here anywhere.

    The IRA on the other hand has loads of wee fanboys on here and some even make their username after an IRA murder gang. Go figure....

    Anytime a Loyalist name is brought up your gang of merry indo sound byters jump into change the discussion to soley about the IRA for some reason. It's like reading a Myers or Jim Cusack colunm at times. Maybe it's to defend people on the same political spectrum as yourselves Obviously a thread about the IRA and United Ireland is going to have some Loyalisy discussion in it as they were who the IRA were fighting a United Ireland was what loyalists were fighting against. God it's so bloody obvious it would be like reading a Nazi Germany thread and expecting not to find any discussions about Hitler in it.


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    #880
    maryishere
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    BalcombeSt4 wrote: »
    It's showing how different the IRA ever was compared to this lot.
    Bits of body parts are essentially the same if they came from an ISES explosion or if they came from an IRA explosion, like the bombs in Belfast city centre on Bloody Friday, the restaurant at Le Mons, a pub in England, a shopping centre in England, a Rembererance day parade at Enniskillen, retired people getting in to their car, or whatever. Do not try to justify the despicable actions of your pathetic "heroes" the Balcombe St gang, they did not act in the name of the Irish people.


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    #881
    BalcombeSt4
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    marienbad wrote: »
    That is because down south people never saw the UDA/UVF as anything more than vicious thugs . That might be simplistic but there it is .

    Some would see PIRA as little better but they (at least in the early years) had a raison d'etre that was coherent , even if one disagreed with it .

    Still though they still a lot caused a lot of damage down South. They were bombing Dublin even before the Provos exisisted. I'm not even sure any Loyalists were ever arrested for any of the bombings in the South. I know none were caught for the 1969, January 72, December 73 & May 74 bombings of Dublin. Were any of them every caught for the Belurbet bombing or any of the other bombings in Cavan, Monaghan, Louth or Donegal or the 1994 bombing attempts in Dublin? I know the Littlejohn brothers were caught for a bank robbery that's about it.


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    #882
    tomwaterford
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Bthey did not act in the name of the Irish people.
    Ive never heard anyone anywhere say the pira act in the name of every Irish person

    They acted for the betterment of Irish nationalism and to further a socialist republic their are plenty of Irish people who aren't nationalist (wanting to join commonwealth etc)...nothing wrong per se with that world view.....

    But displays an amazing level of narcissism to think the pira were fighting in their name particularly those who push for closer ties with Britain


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    #883
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Ive never heard anyone anywhere say the pira act in the name of every Irish person
    Not the point. The point is those who caused explosions and left body parts in hundreds if not thousands of private cars, pubs, restaurants, shopping centres, etc did not act in the name of most Irish people. They had no mandate, and there is little difference between bombing a restaurant and a plane full of people, except perhaps the scale. Both leave body parts.


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    #884
    LordSutch
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    tomwaterford wrote: »
    They acted for the betterment of Irish nationalism and to further a socialist republic their are plenty of Irish people who aren't nationalist (wanting to join commonwealth etc)...nothing wrong per se with that world view.....

    Regarding "the betterment of Irish nationalism" can you please clarify who exactly you speak of?


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    #885
    Lurkio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Lurkio


    maryishere wrote: »
    Not the point. (.................)parts.

    Jaysus, the same tune again.


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    #886
    Fratton Fred
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    BalcombeSt4 wrote: »
    Infact it's the complete opposite. It's showing how different the IRA ever was compared to this lot. There is nothing comparable with the IRA attacking a British military target and people bombing a plane or shooting dozens of people in a concert. It's an insult to the people killed in Paris, Belgium and on the plane to compare a guerrilla war to acts of pure savagery aimed against civilians.

    Ironically, The Balcombe street gang threw bombs into pubs and restaurants, in a similar manner to the Paris attack, just not as spectacular.


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    #887
    steddyeddy
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Bits of body parts are essentially the same if they came from an ISES explosion or if they came from an IRA explosion, like the bombs in Belfast city centre on Bloody Friday, the restaurant at Le Mons, a pub in England, a shopping centre in England, a Rembererance day parade at Enniskillen, retired people getting in to their car, or whatever. Do not try to justify the despicable actions of your pathetic "heroes" the Balcombe St gang, they did not act in the name of the Irish people.

    Yes I agree. All bombs have the same effect. War is an ugly business.


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    #888
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Yes I agree. All bombs have the same effect. War is an ugly business.

    Except that throwing bombs in to pubs and restaurants, and setting off bombs on planes, is not war, it is terrorism. The fanboys of the IRA and ISIS have that in common: they cannot tell the difference between war and terrorism.


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    #889
    steddyeddy
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Except that throwing bombs in to pubs and restaurants, and setting off bombs on planes, is not war, it is terrorism. The fanboys of the IRA and ISIS have that in common: they cannot tell the difference between war and terrorism.

    The only difference is usually the funds and manpower available to you. War doesn't equal good and terrorism bad. Nelson Mandela was a terrorist and Tony Blair a warmonger. The definitions attached do not necessarily connate a morality.

    As Tony Benn said:

    There is no moral difference between a stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. Both kill innocent people for political reasons


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    #890
    maryishere
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    No surprise that fanboys of IRA can fail to distinguish between terrorism, war crimes and crimes against humanity.


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    #891
    bilbot79
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    not yet wrote: »
    I believe when we have a united Ireland (and we will)... an Ireland that should never have been partitioned to begin with, all the struggles, of all brave Irishmen will be acknowledged..

    United Ireland-no chance.

    Never. Not gonna happen.


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    #892
    steddyeddy
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    maryishere wrote: »
    No surprise that fanboys of IRA can fail to distinguish between terrorism, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

    This makes no sense.


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    #893
    maryishere
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    This makes no sense.

    As someone else said, the IRA Balcombe street gang threw bombs into pubs and restaurants, in a similar manner to the Paris attack, just not as spectacular. Some posters on this thread , such as BalcomSt4, condone such attacks by IRA and ISIS. Thankfully most right thinking people reject such terrorism.


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    #894
    Junkyard Tom
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    maryishere wrote: »
    No surprise that fanboys of IRA can fail to distinguish between terrorism, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

    The most terrorised people in the north were innocent Catholic civilians who, despite being a fairly significant minority, were by far the most likely group to be victims of the British and union/loyalist terrorism.

    Fact.


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    maryishere
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    Yawn. Typical "whataboutaboutery" Everyone condemns loyalist terrorism but the fact remains republican terrorists killed more than loyalist terrorists did, and committed far more bombings / damage to property. The planting of bombs and throwing bombs in to pubs and restaurants was wrong no matter who done it.


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    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    maryishere wrote: »
    Yawn. Typical "whataboutaboutery" Everyone condemns loyalist terrorism but the fact remains republican terrorists killed more than loyalist terrorists did, and committed far more bombings / damage to property. The planting of bombs and throwing bombs in to pubs and restaurants was wrong no matter who done it.

    Your use of the word terrorism is deliberately simplistic to the point where the word becomes essentially meaningless. Terrorism for you is violence you disagree with rather than your having a problem with violence per se.

    You don't have a problem with violence you have a problem with who is perpetrating it. Your ridiculous double standards are demonstrated perfectly by your mouse-like silence on the violence that caused the conflict (British/Unionist) contrasted by your loud bleating about reactionary violence (Republican).

    Yawn.


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    #897
    Lurkio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Lurkio


    maryishere wrote: »
    Yawn. Typical "whataboutaboutery" Everyone condemns loyalist terrorism ............

    Do you? I don't recall. You might repeat it for us here.


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    #898
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Lurkio wrote: »
    Do you? I don't recall. You might repeat it for us here.

    And while she's at it she might also condemn RUC/UDR/BA collusion which was instrumental in the 'loyalist' murder-campaign waged against innocent Catholics.


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    #899
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    You don't have a problem with violence you have a problem with who is perpetrating it.
    Incorrect as stated before many times. It is the IRA fanboys on this thread who condone the throwing of bombs in to pubs and restaurants by one side but condemn such actions by the other side. I always condemned all terrorism.
    n.b and as stated before I condemn collusion on all sides.


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    #900
    Junkyard Tom
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    maryishere wrote: »
    I always condemned all terrorism.

    Terrorism for you is violence you disagree with rather than your having a problem with violence per se.
    maryishere wrote: »
    as stated before I condemn collusion on all sides.

    You just can't bring yourself to condemn RUC/UDR/BA collusion (which was instrumental in the loyalist murder-campaign) unequivocally which is demonstrated perfectly by your 'both sides' moral equivalence.


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    #901
    Lurkio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Lurkio


    maryishere wrote: »
    Incorrect as stated before many times. It is the IRA fanboys on this thread who condone the throwing of bombs in to pubs and restaurants by one side but condemn such actions by the other side. I always condemned all terrorism.
    n.b and as stated before I condemn collusion on all sides.

    Just type out "I condemn all loyalist terrorism and violence" and no more questions will be levelled by me on the subject.


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