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Snobbery in education.

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    They attend a back water institution so what do you expect? (I am allowed to be dismissive like that right?)

    I will try to explain this in simple, short sentences. I am not saying a leaving cert is enough to teach. Primary school teachers attend college, secondary school teachers attend a relevant course and a masters in education, university lecturers tend to have PhDs.

    These people will receive training in how to teach the appropriate group. We don't require a PhD for primary school because the level of knowledge in the subject goes beyond what is required. Primary school teachers are also required to cover all subjects, it is not possible for them to go in depth in all of them. If a person is able to complete their leaving cert then they should have an understanding of the concepts required for primary school.

    If everyone who finished leaving cert didn't have enough of an understanding of the subjects why isn't there a requirement to completes a maths, Irish, English etc degree? What is covered in HL that isnt in OL that has a negative affect on teaching primary school? Sure a person who completes HL is more likely to be better but a person with a degree is better than that. Why do you devalue it by not requiring PhDs?


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    How do you decide when a person has a high enough knowledge in a topic then? You have yet to provide anything to explain what is lacking from OL that is covered in HL and wouldn't be covered in the degree.
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    I agree with that although you need to be fluent in Irish which would require a higher level anyway as people rarely leave secondary school fluent in Irish


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    And a person with a maths related degree would have a higher conceptual understanding of the subject. Why is an A1 at higher level enough?


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    And much like the rankings you take the bit you like and ignore the background.
    "The survey found that school leaving age was the most important factor deciding numeracy level."


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    Working from the top and making my way down. OL D3 is too low. HL A1 is too high.

    Maybe if you just said what the requirement should be and what it provides that the current requirement doesnt it would make this easier but instead it is like getting blood from a stone. Whatever you say is right and everyone else is wrong because you said so.


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    Sal Khan of Khan Academy suggested one model where there would be a kind of maths specialist possibly on a very high salary $200K or similar. I think it would involve a lot of video teaching and the kids probably using a software based method of tracking their work etc.
    It will be interesting to see does the teaching of Maths in particular get a lot of innovation from outside of teaching? my own view based on my kids anyway is that the classes should be more fluid. we are happy to have kids of all ages in a martial arts class getting their various belts yet seem very resistant to the idea in the classroom

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    that is brilliant! , Ireland is firmly into inverting the learning pyramid which goes against all common sense. meanwhile back at base this evening I will be hitting junior who is 11 with domain and range of piecewise functions :pac:

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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