JustTheOne wrote: » Go to a restaurant that doesn't allow kids if it bothers you. Simple.
gozunda wrote: » But does sound like the OPS description of the noise the child in question made ..
Pac1Man wrote: » Yowza! Usually it's only a few words or maybe a sentence, but a whole paragraph?! Maybe dial back the passive aggressiveness if you want people to be more sympathetic to your opinion.
gozunda wrote: » I've checked and tbh no one said that ... )
Pac1Man wrote: » Yes lock them away, that's what I said. Plenty of places for kids to enjoy themselves rather than an adult orientated eating place. As you say, in Ireland we rarely have dedicated play areas. Parents should be aware of that.
gozunda wrote: » I think the point made was that adults go to restaurants for social reasons and to enjoy eating out ... babies are brought along with parents and whilst the they enjoy eating and gooing at things- they would just as happily eat and goo goo at anything anywhere ...
gozunda wrote: » Parents here appear to have a terrible attitude / lack of consideration for others in public spaces
gozunda wrote: » Parents with children in many other countries in my experience do behave with consideration to others in restaurants, pubs etc (personally I do not like to see children in pubs)
Pac1Man wrote: » Yes lock them away, that's what I said.
Pac1Man wrote: » Plenty of places for kids to enjoy themselves rather than an adult orientated eating place.
Pac1Man wrote: » As you say, in Ireland we rarely have dedicated play areas. Parents should be aware of that.
EazyD wrote: » I blame the parents solely in such scenarios. After all, kids are generally noisy whether happy or upset. I had one experience on an Aer Lingus flight where the toddler of the parents in front of me was restless and noisy for the duration of a 3 hour flight. Not an issue as one could expect such but maybe half an hour before landing the child dunked a whole cup of tomato juice over me that the father had handed him. Hair/ Clothes saturated, bag etc. Of course I was unhappy but these things happen. What really pissed me off was the lack of reaction or even shred of an apology from the parents for the inconvenience. Literally no acknowledgment. When I suggested such, the parents went off at me. It's this attitude with parents that really gets me. We appreciate you can do very little given the circumstances but at least show some mutual respect and consideration for others around you.
roadrunner16 wrote: » this seems relevant to your pointhttp://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-was-refused-by-d4-restaurant-in-case-my-little-girl-disturbed-diners-30930651.html
goz83 wrote: » As a father of 5, I would disagree with you. Entertaining a child most often prevents the crying most people cannot stand to listen to. Damage control.
esforum wrote: » and adults can be happy eating at home with friends, again whats the point?
because they think that they have a right to bring a human being to a restaurant? You have no more rights than the parent when in a restaurant. they arent bars, theres no signs prohibiting age.
...Pubs in Ireland, yes. Abroad its fine.
Restaurants are not adult orientated. They have child seats, childrens meals etc for a reason.
Putin wrote: » Also known as contraception.....:pac:
gozunda wrote: » Read again - adults go out to enjoy eating out and socialise - babies are brought along by parents etc (+ what I said previously) because they think that they have a right to bring a human being to a restaurant? You have no more rights than the parent when in a restaurant. they arent bars, theres no signs prohibiting age.[/qoute] *The difference being parents 'should' be in charge of said children. They are not 'adults'. Parents need to act accordingly so other adults can enjoy their meals. Alcohol + drinking = no place for children See * above Why do you believe children should be allowed to run riot without parental control in restaurants? Who said that children should be allowed to run riot? seems like you think a child simply being in an establishment is out of order and shouldn't be allowed.
because they think that they have a right to bring a human being to a restaurant? You have no more rights than the parent when in a restaurant. they arent bars, theres no signs prohibiting age.[/qoute] *The difference being parents 'should' be in charge of said children. They are not 'adults'. Parents need to act accordingly so other adults can enjoy their meals. Alcohol + drinking = no place for children See * above Why do you believe children should be allowed to run riot without parental control in restaurants?
ceadaoin. wrote: » No it doesn't. That's a kid screaming. The OP said this was a baby shrieking with delight. That restaurant is very noisy in general. I can't believe someone went to the bother of filming it tbh. Relax and eat your food, maybe have some wine, for gods sake!
gozunda wrote: » I beg to differ. The OP referred to the child 'shrieking' - the is what that child in the video is doing. I really have to laugh at parents who will defend their bdly behaved children to the ends of the earth. Hilarious as long as you don't have to put up with them...
gozunda wrote: » Read again - adults go out to enjoy eating out and socialise - babies are brought along by parents etc (+ what I said previously) *The difference being parents 'should' be in charge of said children. They are not 'adults'. Parents need to act accordingly so other adults can enjoy their meals. Alcohol + drinking = no place for children See * above Why do you believe children should be allowed to run riot without parental control in restaurants?
gozunda wrote: » Read again - adults go out to enjoy eating out and socialise - babies are brought along by parents etc (+ what I said previously)
gozunda wrote: » *The difference being parents 'should' be in charge of said children. They are not 'adults'. Parents need to act accordingly so other adults can enjoy their meals.
gozunda wrote: » Alcohol + drinking = no place for children
gozunda wrote: » Why do you believe children should be allowed to run riot without parental control in restaurants?
ceadaoin. wrote: » Who said that children should be allowed to run riot? seems like you think a child simply being in an establishment is out of order and shouldn't be allowed.
gozunda wrote: » Well there is much apparent approbation of the parents attitude in this thread. And nowhere did I say " a child simply being in an establishment is out of order and shouldn't be allowed." Typical makey uppy what aboutary to change the argument :rolleyes:
esforum wrote: » and again I ask whats your point, go to the pub then where children are not allowed and let us parents have the restauarant (that would not let me in with a child if they had a problem with it adults need to understand that theres these things called children and they share the world with them. You were one and perhaps someday, you shall also have one, or two, or three.... thats your opinion and thats Ireland where the social liufe evolves sitting in a dark room getting drunk. Ya know its not uncommon in mainland europe for people to go to a pub or similar and not drink at all. Go to Germany, Spain, Italy or France and actually go socialise in a non tourist area, you will see kids in restauarants, pubs (or similar) until the early hours at the weekend. You will also see entire streets of bars with not a single bouncer. Crazy to an Irishman. quote me saying that please
goz83 wrote: » Adults should of course be in control of their children. 100 percent agree. The only point I would make about your post is about the alcohol. I personally don't like kids being brought to pubs. It's not a good environment for children. That said, I am only of that belief because we are in Ireland, where people drink to get drunk, rather than just enjoy one, or two and leave it at that. But thats a whole other string of threads. I reckon its in the single digits the amount if times I have had any of my kids in a pub in Ireland. When abroad, its more restaurant bars than pubs and they usually are much better places for children to have fun while parents socialise.
esforum wrote: » and again I ask whats your point, go to the pub then where children are not allowed and let us parents have the restauarant (that would not let me in with a child if they had a problem with it)
Adults need to understand that theres these things called children and they share the world with them. You were one and perhaps someday, you shall also have one, or two, or three....
hats your opinion and thats Ireland where the social liufe evolves sitting in a dark room getting drunk. Ya know its not uncommon in mainland europe for people to go to a pub or similar and not drink at all. Go to Germany, Spain, Italy or France and actually go socialise in a non tourist area, you will see kids in restauarants, pubs (or similar) until the early hours at the weekend.
gozunda wrote: » So now you advocate keeping children up to the small hours of the morning in establishments that serve alcohol as well :eek:
ceadaoin. wrote: » Who is defending badly behaved children? Many parents on here have said they would take the child outside if they were crying or screaming.
you don't want to see or hear children at all. That's an unrealistic expectation if you want to live in society.
have to laugh at people who get worked up about such things. I mean really, life's too short.
gozunda wrote: » Parents are adults who should be in charge of their children! Its not really that hard to understand and should not have to be explained. If 'us' parents :rolleyes: can't control a child then 'they' shouldn't be in a restaurant in the first place.
gozunda wrote: » Ye don't say! . I was and I do. Thanks for the presumption! It does not absolve a parent of the need to take charge of your child's behaviour and act appropriately
gozunda wrote: » Indeed a few have... Makey uppy much? Correction to your statement- most people do not want to put up with others badly supervised children. That is not unreasonable. Expecting people to do so is. So in effect are you saying that there are no poorly supervised children? That people reacting to children who are running riot and or screaming are just being a tad sensitive? Really?
ceadaoin. wrote: » I'm sure there are parents who let their children run riot. That is unacceptable and I haven't seen anyone here defending that.
... have to laugh at people who get worked up about such things. I mean really, life's too short.
Personally I can't recall a single time that I've been in a restaurant or pub and witnessed this. Children crying or a baby shrieking with delight is not bad behaviour. These things are going to happen, once the parents deal with it appropriately then what's the big deal?
gozunda wrote: » It is apparent in quite a few posts that there was refusal to a knowledge the issue. You said No it is never a laughing matter when children are allowed to be that disruptive that it effects others in a setting such as restaurant. A public park or a play ground is obviously a different situation. Read back through the thread and there are a good few examples given of this type of behaviour. I think the point of many posters here is that 'some' parents don't deal with such behaviour appropriately and either ignore it or expect others simply to put up with it.
ceadaoin. wrote: » The video you posted really wasn't that bad, the restaurant was already very noisy. It wouldn't bother me.
Many of the examples being given are children being normal children by crying or shrieking with laughter for example. To me that is not "running riot"
MadDog76 wrote: » Dogs bark, babies cry, ducks quack, taxi drivers moan etc. ......... if you want to enjoy your meal in a peaceful controlled environment then stay at home where you get to make the rules.
