Donald Trump (I'm Worried)

arayess

arayess wrote: »

she was responsible to the destruction of nations and the deaths of many more people than gaddafi killed.

Clinton's period as secretary of state was one of the most conservative, inactive periods of for US foreign policy intervention in the last 100 years.

And Hillary Clinton wasn't setting policy. Her role was to implement Obama's strategy, much of which she seems to have disagreed with.

People always die in military interventions, including civilians; the Secretary of State's job is to try to act in good faith, in accordance with the rule of law.

Nobody can say that about Gadaffi's massacring of his own people.

Billy86

Steve012 wrote: »

rob316 wrote: »

yes because I give a bollox about whats between her legs

Wouldn't be surprised if she was hung like a Baboon..:D
Her an Bill an weird.. to say the least, laughing at the death of Gaddafi
Quote "we came, we saw, he died" no empathy .. sick b*tch, Gaddafi did a hell of a lot for his people in Libya.

What's by or opinion on Trump wanting gaddafi gone too?

fergus1001

I for one welcome our new folicly challenged overlord

Billy86

xqwzts wrote: »

Killary is predictable, she said she would attack Iran if she wins, but yet people are worried about Trump haha. Trump is unpredictable so it is way better. Killary sold lots of uranium to russia yet she says that Trump is Putins friend haha. Killary is a criminal, brainless, arrogant, ignorant, racist, fascistic and more, but let's worry about anti establishment Trump who wants to drain the swamp... Yeah...Whoever votes for Killary must be really off.... Rigged election by Soros and Killary friends, many suicides of people who were just about to make testimony against Killary, or like the IT guy who released info about rigged election , he was shot...many cases like that but people still about some Trump saying this or that...Killary, so many years corrupting, sorry, working, and all she created was mess and wars. How brainless she has to be to set up private server with classified info? C stands for cookie alrite...and she was supposed to be the head of USA? Every other person would be in jail if did what she did and does...Lefties have no brain whatsoever... Now you can slag me, not even replying to lefties, unfollow straight away before I get non reasonable abuse for telling how it is....

Butters1979

Clinton represents all the worst things about politicians in this world.

Trump represnts all the worst things about voters in this world.

The American electorial system is the worst way possible to do democracy.

26000 Elephants

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Clinton's period as secretary of state was one of the most conservative, inactive periods of for US foreign policy intervention in the last 100 years.

And Hillary Clinton wasn't setting policy. Her role was to implement Obama's strategy, much of which she seems to have disagreed with.

People always die in military interventions, including civilians; the Secretary of State's job is to try to act in good faith, in accordance with the rule of law.

Nobody can say that about Gadaffi's massacring of his own people.

US foreign policy was a fait accompli for Clinton. There is no point in Trumpists singling her out for abuse, Trump would have done everything and more.

However, that is no excuse for what happened in Libya. Qaddafi was playing ball with the West, even accepting liability for the obviously Iranian organised Lockerbie bombing. His 'removal' was part of a Saudi driven - US sponsored regime change program in the region which led to the instability that allowed the Saudi backed ISIS to grow to be such a threat.

Benghazi was a perfect example of lying down with dogs and then wondering why you have fleas. But even worse, 12 months later they are negotiating with the same nutters to open the Libyan ports to ship oil to the US again.

26000 Elephants

26000 Elephants wrote: »

However, that is no excuse for what happened in Libya. Qaddafi was playing ball with the West, even accepting liability for the obviously Iranian organised Lockerbie bombing. His 'removal' was part of a Saudi driven - US sponsored regime change program in the region which led to the instability that allowed the Saudi backed ISIS to grow to be such a threat.

Benghazi was a perfect example of lying down with dogs and then wondering why you have fleas. But even worse, 12 months later they are negotiating with the same nutters to open the Libyan ports to ship oil to the US again.

I agree with this. I'm not condoning the overthrow of Libya. My only comments on Gadaffi were to challenge the benevolent view of him that was being offered, whilst at the same time portraying Clinton as a criminal.

rob316

I hear plenty of reasons of why you shouldn't vote for trump but when you ask why you should vote for HC it seems to be because she is not Trump and she is a woman.

Is that enough really to vote for her?

The american system is ****e.

Billy86

A bit early in the day for Trump to be making excuses you would think?

Just figured I'd go ahead and post it before one of his local devotees tried passing it off as fact... has anyone else heard of (e.g. got reputable links) about these 'reports' he is mentioning?

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/796071264347627521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Grayson

Billy86 wrote: »

A bit early in the day for Trump to be making excuses you would think?

Just figured I'd go ahead and post it before one of his local devotees tried passing it off as fact... has anyone else heard of (e.g. got reputable links) about these 'reports' he is mentioning?

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/796071264347627521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Well his son took a photo of his election ballot in New York. That's illegal there. Would that count?

Billy86

Butters1979 wrote: »

Clinton represents all the worst things about politicians in this world.

Trump represnts all the worst things about voters in this world.

The American electorial system is the worst way possible to do democracy.

It's been a stark reminder that democracy really is 'the least worst' system that we have, and had someone less psychotic than Trump been running in his place I may well have been in favour (really wanted Sanders to be honest, but he is a long long way from the flawless leader his fans make him our to be) in order to shake things up, which is long overdue as there has not been too much difference in any US President since Raegan (or in their opponents since at least '92 - not too familiar with Mondale or Dukakis beyond them being laughing stocks in terms of their EC hauls).

Billy86

Grayson wrote: »

Well his son took a photo of his election ballot in New York. That's illegal there. Would that count?

The Biased Phone Industry Against Trump! :mad:

MRnotlob606

Butters1979 wrote: »

Clinton represents all the worst things about politicians in this world.

Trump represnts all the worst things about voters in this world.

The American electorial system is the worst way possible to do democracy.

I'm sure a lot of people out there would be hard-pressed to even call it a "democracy". It is incredibly elitist, unmeritocratic and beholden the interests of big business and Wall Street.

FortySeven

He has filed a lawsuit in Nevada for polling stations being kept open too long.

Voting machines have been reported voting for Clinton when you press trump. There is a video doing the rounds but I'm not convinced by his button pressing.

Multiple accusations of hoodlums intimidating republican voters. Again, unsubstantiated.

FortySeven

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

I'm sure a lot of people out there would be hard-pressed to even call it a "democracy". It is incredibly elitist, unmeritocratic and beholden the interests of big business and Wall Street.

Clinton received $49,500,000 in donations from hedge funds.

Trump $19,000.

PopePalpatine

26000 Elephants wrote: »

US foreign policy was a fait accompli for Clinton. There is no point in Trumpists singling her out for abuse, Trump would have done everything and more.

However, that is no excuse for what happened in Libya. Qaddafi was playing ball with the West, even accepting liability for the obviously Iranian organised Lockerbie bombing. His 'removal' was part of a Saudi driven - US sponsored regime change program in the region which led to the instability that allowed the Saudi backed ISIS to grow to be such a threat.

Benghazi was a perfect example of lying down with dogs and then wondering why you have fleas. But even worse, 12 months later they are negotiating with the same nutters to open the Libyan ports to ship oil to the US again.

Let's remind ourselves of what Trump had to say on Libya:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuvZQMY9WNw

Somehow I doubt that the guy who set up a mortgage broker company in 2006 is going to have the foresight to avoid a geopolitical clusterf*ck..

InTheTrees

FortySeven wrote: »

Clinton received $49,500,000 in donations from hedge funds.

Trump $19,000.

Because the republicans with the aid of a conservative supreme court approved the use of shady financing in elections. The republicans wanted to make it legal for secret corporate financing of candidates.

That idiot trump was too much of a moron to use the advantage it gives though.
And guess who is the only candidate who is going to close the ridiculous financing rules? Hillary.

So you cant blame her for playing the game by the same corrupt rules the republicans came up with. and good for her. At least when she's in power we can end the Citizens United corruption. And gerrymandering too.

arayess

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Somehow I doubt that the guy who set up a mortgage broker company in 2006 is going to have the foresight to avoid a geopolitical clusterf*ck..

it' an interesting point but think about it this way

we all live in the same world and ideologically we are all equal.
yet the big decisions are being made by people from the same dynasties and/or universities or social clubs.

somebody different comes along and says - something like this
- people are fcuked off with this and being excluded from decisions esp war.
I'll strike a blow for common man with no access to the top table.

and when he does this - folk like you say he isn't able cos he is a mortgage broker

so in effect you are in favour of the same old elitist - 20/30years of an apprenticeship backslapping and back stabbing your way to the top of your party before being landed a shot at the title.
no wonder fcuk all changes and hopes like obama become indistinguishable from the bush family...

seriously

you may argue it's just Trump who isn't able but you are going to find too many non political folk with his resources to consider running for a top job like potus.

wonderfullife

golfball37 wrote: »

It's set up for a democrat win in perpuity sadly. Letting all types of immigrants vote means they'll always win a tight race. It's legal election fraud and I wouldn't blame GOP voters for calling foul.
I think she has it in the bag sadly

What in Gods name are you waffling on about?

I can read this post 2 ways and i'm going to be kind and try not to read it in an Ann Coulter closet-xenophobic, racist way that it may appear.

"All types of immigrants" voting means legal immigrants with the capacity to vote.

Illegal immigrant voting is almost unheard of.

So what you are basically saying is that immigrants who have become U.S. citizens shouldn't be allowed to vote on their future? Or that they don't have the intelligence to decide for themselves who to vote for?

Here's a concept...... If the Republican party didn't put forward a man who draws support from the Ku Klux Klan, the NRA, and who demeans immigrants and women at every opportunity, they might have won this election.

Hillary is one of the most disliked Democrat nominees in a long time. The fact the Republicans put forward a sociopath surrounded by sycophants is the true reason this election will be won in a landslide by Hillary.

It's got very little to do with immigrants.

MRnotlob606

InTheTrees wrote: »

Because the republicans with the aid of a conservative supreme court approved the use of shady financing in elections. The republicans wanted to make it legal for secret corporate financing of candidates.

That idiot trump was too much of a moron to use the advantage it gives though.
And guess who is the only candidate who is going to close the ridiculous financing rules? Hillary.

So you cant blame her for playing the game by the same corrupt rules the republicans came up with. and good for her. At least when she's in power we can end the Citizens United corruption. And gerrymandering too.

No way is she going to end Citizens United, Her Husband repealed the Glass-Steagal act which was introduced as a bank reform bill in 1933 after the depression. She dismissed the idea of reinstating it. The Clintons love capital flowing everywhere and anywhere. She was also one of the architects of TPP. (Despite now saying she's against it). She's just a marionette doll to Wall Street.

Grayson

FortySeven wrote: »

Clinton received $49,500,000 in donations from hedge funds.

Trump $19,000.

Except for Robert Mercer of course who has donated tens of millions to pro Trump pacs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mercer_(businessman)

Stephen Bannon and Kellyanne Conway worked for him. He's also a major financial contributor to Breitbart

And he's a hedge fund manager.

26000 Elephants

FortySeven wrote: »

Clinton received $49,500,000 in donations from hedge funds.

Trump $19,000.

He probably got $19,000,000. But managed to turn it into $19,000.

That would be Trump.

InTheTrees

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

No way is she going to end Citizens United,

SHe doesnt end it. She appoints judge to the Supreme Court.

We are looking at the end of the conservative majority on the US Supreme court.

Gun Control, Abortion, Citizens United, gerrymandering, etc. will all be liable for review.

InTheTrees

26000 Elephants wrote: »

He probably got $19,000,000. But managed to turn it into $19,000.

That would be Trump.

One can begin to appreciate how he managed to go bankrupt so many times.

ligerdub

Personally? No! Some companies? Yes. He's an entrepreneur. ...it happens.

osarusan

FortySeven wrote: »

Clinton received $49,500,000 in donations from hedge funds.

Trump $19,000.

The WSJ cited the Center for Responsive Politics as the source for its $48.5 million vs. $19,000 Clinton-Trump hedge fund donation gap. But Douglas Weber, a senior researcher for the Center for Responsive Politics, says he doesn’t know how the newspaper came up with those totals.

But the WSJ’s numbers don’t add up. Scaramucci says he and his firm—which manages portfolios of hedge funds as well as runs a top industry conference—alone have donated $250,000 to the Trump campaign effort, including $267 that Scaramucci says he has spent on Trump’s Make America Great Again hats.

Scaramucci says that other notable hedge funders who have donated significant sums to Trump’s campaign efforts include Carl Icahn, Tom Barrack, and Stephen Feinberg. In fact, Trump’s chief fundraiser and head of his national finance committee, billionaire Steven Mnuchin, is himself a hedge fund manager.


Scaramucci says hedge fund managers have donated as much as $25 million to the Trump campaign and political groups supporting the candidate, with around 20% of the money Trump brought in July coming from hedge funds.

http://fortune.com/2016/08/02/donald-trump-july-fundraising-wall-street-hedge-fund-hillary-clinton/

el diablo

InTheTrees wrote: »

One can begin to appreciate how he managed to go bankrupt so many times.

Yet he's still a multi-billionaire.......

ligerdub

People always use the term "hedge funds" as some sort of either 1) glamorous catch-all term for investment manager or 2) a reference to sinister dark arts of finance.

I'm assuming it's usually done by people who don't really know what it means.

Ava_e

el diablo wrote: »

Yet he's still a multi-billionaire.......

Is he?
He has been declared BANKRUPT 4 Times.

And still refuses to declare his tax Returns.

ligerdub

Ava_e wrote: »

Is he?
He has been declared BANKRUPT 4 Times.

And still refuses to declare his tax Returns.

Can you stop with this rubbish?