Donald Trump (I'm Worried)

26000 Elephants

Widdershins wrote: »

It's not clear whether he knew the other guy before or after the other guy was convicted and it doesnt look like D.Trump was every convicted of anything like that.

He certainly did know Jeffrrey before he was convicted, an interview exists where he said he socialised with him, and that Epstein "liked them young"

When Espstien was asked if underage girls were present when he 'partied' with Trump (during his trial) he said :

As much as I would like to answer that question, I will have to plead my 4th, 5th. [ ]..Amendments rights

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He hasnt been charged or convicted of statutory rape, as the case was voluntarily withdrawn by the plaintiff due to alleged death threats.

Maximus Alexander

Ava_e wrote: »

Ok we will agreed to differ, but... In 12 hours time I think Clinton will be president.

Place your bets now

I bet everything I have that in 12 hours' time Obama will be president.

FortySeven

swivel50 wrote: »

Why? Democracy has its limitations as we have seen with Brexit.

Only people with third level educations should be allowed to vote on certain issues, not redneck gunslingers.

I left school at 14 and can hold my own in any debate on any subject.

Can't say the same for many third level graduates. You do understand most third level courses are no longer worth a fart in a bag?

I hope trump wins just because Clinton is bought and paid for and if I'm honest I am sick of such devisive American two party politics. The electoral system and the diametrically fragmented society they have needs a good shake up and 4 years of trump would do it by default.

Do I agree with him? No, I think he is a buffoon but he is the lesser of two evils.

Clinton dynasty needs to end here. Her foundation is corruption personified. Her connection with the MIC means more war is already priced in and the emails I have been reading from the podesta dump indicate grounds for indictment over her private server, collusion in fbi investigations, collusion with mainstream media, questions over lies regarding benghazi and cover ups.

My prediction. Clinton will win on the woman's vote. So now we have had one because he's black, now one because she's a woman.

Whoever gets in will serve one term.

Still. Anything will be better than Obama. The hope and change turned out to be hope it isn't raining, change for golf.

Widdershins

26000 Elephants wrote: »

He certainly did know Jeffrrey before he was convicted, an interview exists where he said he socialised with him, and that Epstein "liked them young"

When Espstien was asked if underage girls were present when he 'partied' with Trump (during his trial) he said :

source

He hasnt been charged or convicted of statutory rape, as the case was voluntarily withdrawn by the plaintiff due to alleged death threats.

That means nothing. His remark doesn't even express approval.
And ''alleged death threats''? There's a lot of allegation and no substance to any of that.
This is after another user stated completely falsely that D.Trump was charged with child rape, and she still hasn't explained why or where she got that idea.

FortySeven

Widdershins wrote: »

That means nothing. His remark doesn't even express approval.
The user called Ava stated that Trump was charged with child rape! Now it's ''he knew a man who had sex with underage girls''!

Epsteins friends included Prince Charles, Richard Branson, Warren buffet, Bill Clinton etc, etc.

Are we going to label them all paedophiles too (among hundreds of others he was friends with)

It's laughable and a very, very cheap shot.

swivel50

FortySeven, you are clearly a Trump fan. I bet you think Obama was born in Kenya?


Obama has been a great president and not because of his colour. Hillary will be a great president (and I am more than ok if she is slightly corruptible, who isn't) and not because of her gender.

#IMWITHHER

KingBrian2

The left are responsible for making this election a lot dirtier than it had to be.

RobertKK

swivel50 wrote: »

If it looks like Trump is winning I really hope Obama and whoever else give the go ahead to fiddle the results to ensure Clinton gets it.

If Hillary wins, and as some Bernie fans called her the 'War Queen', I don't know why anyone wants this 100% proven neocon warmonger elected.
Currently the US and Europeans are moving troops to the eastern borders of Europe with Russia in what is the biggest build up of troops since the Cold war ended.

It will end with people asking 'what did we vote for' for whoever wins, though Hillary is probably the most dangerous.
Hillary gave a reset button to the Russians when she became secretary of State, it seems to have reset things back to the 80s.
At least Trump says, 'wouldn't it be better if we actually got along with Russia, and fight ISIS together'.
Hillary is too close to countries like Saudi Arabia who are enemies of Russia in this Sunni backed west and Shia backed Russia.
Most of our terrorism problems come from Sunni Islam. The west have backed their enemies...

If one likes war, then you better hope Hillary wins, 100% guaranteed new wars.

ligerdub

Ava_e wrote: »

I don't know a women alive who would vote for this buffoon who blew his his inherited millions and become a

Failure as a business man (bankrupt 4 times)

Failure as a decent human, has been charged with child-rape, talking about ****ing his own daughter if he wasn't related, sleaziness with a 9 year girl saying he would be dating her in a few years

The investigation into his fraud and non deceleration of his tax returns.
His hatred of immigrants, even when he employed most of them to build his trashyTrump Towers, using cheap steel from China, that he now despises.

It's been said before,but if he invested the millions he inherited from daddy, instead of spending it on failure vanity projects. He would be an billionaire. And not the failure, needy narsasstic joke of a **** he is.

You seem like an unbiased observer with a very good understanding of the facts. Very convincing.

Shane St.

swivel50 wrote: »

FortySeven, you are clearly a Trump fan. I bet you think Obama was born in Kenya?


Obama has been a great president and not because of his colour. Hillary will be a great president (and I am more than ok if she is slightly corruptible, who isn't) and not because of her gender.

#IMWITHHER

I like Obama but he really has not been a good president

ligerdub

Ava_e wrote: »

Could you call someone who is convicted of raping kids "a really great guy"?
Huffingtonpost is a fair and well respected news site, that gives a fair voice to both sides of the debate.

hahahahahahahahaha!

Grayson

FortySeven wrote: »

I left school at 14 and can hold my own in any debate on any subject.

Can't say the same for many third level graduates. You do understand most third level courses are no longer worth a fart in a bag?

I hope trump wins just because Clinton is bought and paid for and if I'm honest I am sick of such devisive American two party politics. The electoral system and the diametrically fragmented society they have needs a good shake up and 4 years of trump would do it by default.

Do I agree with him? No, I think he is a buffoon but he is the lesser of two evils.

Clinton dynasty needs to end here. Her foundation is corruption personified. Her connection with the MIC means more war is already priced in and the emails I have been reading from the podesta dump indicate grounds for indictment over her private server, collusion in fbi investigations, collusion with mainstream media, questions over lies regarding benghazi and cover ups.

My prediction. Clinton will win on the woman's vote. So now we have had one because he's black, now one because she's a woman.

Whoever gets in will serve one term.

Still. Anything will be better than Obama. The hope and change turned out to be hope it isn't raining, change for golf.

You're sick of divisive politics and think Trump will solve it? lol. I'm sure all the name calling and race baiting will go down great. People will really want to get behind him.

As for the bit I bolded. If it was easy to get elected because your black or a woman then it would have happened before now.

RobertKK

swivel50 wrote: »

FortySeven, you are clearly a Trump fan. I bet you think Obama was born in Kenya?


Obama has been a great president and not because of his colour. Hillary will be a great president (and I am more than ok if she is slightly corruptible, who isn't) and not because of her gender.

#IMWITHHER

What has Obama done?

Remember when he laughed at Romney in the debates when Romney said Russia was the number 1 geopolitical issue.
Obama has been asleep on the job a lot of the time. His Obamacare has gotten out of control with some states having price rises of 116% next year.
Supported the destruction of Libya.
His government had Hillary sign off on a record breaking arms deal to Saudi Arabia so Yemen could have hospitals, prisons, residential areas bombed, and the latest is the destruction of Yemen's agricultural land as the US backed Saudis starve the people of Yemen.
ISIS rose up during his presidency.
Relations with Russia at an all time low.

He has been one of the worst presidents as the world is in a worse place now, than when he took office.
The US is involved in more wars now than in 2008.
Iraq - still
Afghanistan
Syria
Yemen
Libya
Somalia.

Maximus Alexander

Grayson wrote: »

You're sick of divisive politics and think Trump will solve it? lol. I'm sure all the name calling and race baiting will go down great. People will really want to get behind him.

As for the bit I bolded. If it was easy to get elected because your black or a woman then it would have happened before now.

It's a gas claim that Hilary is leading the polls because she's a woman, when the actual reason she's in with a chance is purely because her opponent is Trump. Any credible Republican candidate would have swiftly defeated her.

ligerdub

RobertKK wrote: »

What has Obama done?

Remember when he laughed at Romney in the debates when Romney said Russia was the number 1 geopolitical issue.
Obama has been asleep on the job a lot of the time. His Obamacare has gotten out of control with some states having price rises of 116% next year.
Supported the destruction of Libya.
His government had Hillary sign off on a record breaking arms deal to Saudi Arabia so Yemen could have hospitals, prisons, residential areas bombed, and the latest is the destruction of Yemen's agricultural land as the US backed Saudis starve the people of Yemen.
ISIS rose up during his presidency.
Relations with Russia at an all time low.

He has been one of the worst presidents as the world is in a worse place now, than when he took office.
The US is involved in more wars now than in 2008.
Iraq - still
Afghanistan
Syria
Yemen
Somalia.

Yeah but he likes a good quip and a joke, and his wife goes dancing on Ellen and sings in a car with James Cordon. Surely those things are crucial factors in effective leadership.

FortySeven

swivel50 wrote: »

FortySeven, you are clearly a Trump fan. I bet you think Obama was born in Kenya?


Obama has been a great president and not because of his colour. Hillary will be a great president (and I am more than ok if she is slightly corruptible, who isn't) and not because of her gender.

#IMWITHHER

Nope. I'm like most Americans, holding my nose and picking the least smelly.

There were questions over Obama, he was not well known and those questions were answered. I am not of the 'birther' ilk. Thank you very much.

Obama promised to close Guantanamo. Still open.
He promised affordable healthcare, nobody can afford it.
He promised to reach out on foreign policy and work towards peaceful solutions. Yesterday 300,000 NATO troops were put on high alert to go and face off the Russians.
He says he got Osama? I'd like to see more evidence of this.
More Americans in employment or less Americans participating in the workforce?

Obama succeeded in nothing more than reducing his handicap.

rob316

Warmonger or Fascist. I'm with Trump but they are two bums.

Their is just something deeply unsettling about Clinton.

FortySeven

Grayson wrote: »

You're sick of divisive politics and think Trump will solve it? lol. I'm sure all the name calling and race baiting will go down great. People will really want to get behind him.

As for the bit I bolded. If it was easy to get elected because your black or a woman then it would have happened before now.

Trump is not a politician. I believe he will make such a mess domestically that American politics will change forever. AFTER his presidency. I don't like the man.

As for the bit you bolded. It didn't happen before now because things used to be different. Nowadays we have white males being marginalised and there was never a better time to present these two candidates so please save me the chuckles. When trump is vowing to reverse trans toilet legislation you cannot tell me there are obstacles for minorities to overcome.

I'm more worried about Paul Ryan becoming President of the USA in four years, than about Trump winning the election tonight.

Because Trump is very unlikely to win, whereas Paul Ryan is almost certainly going to win the Republican nomination in 2020, if he seeks it. He's one of those odd individuals who are given the support of social security to further themselves in life, and then turn on those social supports once elected, effectively pulling up the ladder behind him and saying 'no more after me'.

He's immensely popular among republicans, and probably appeals to a lot of democrats on the right. I think he's the real danger to Hillary Clinton.

RobertKK

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm more worried about Paul Ryan becoming President of the USA in four years, than about Trump winning the election tonight.

Because Trump is very unlikely to win, whereas Paul Ryan is almost certainly going to win the Republican nomination in 2020, if he seeks it. He's one of those odd individuals who are given the support of social security to further themselves in life, and then turn on those social supports once elected, effectively pulling up the ladder behind him and saying 'no more after me'.

He's immensely popular among republicans, and probably appeals to a lot of democrats on the right. I think he's the real danger to Hillary Clinton.

Paul Ryan is cool, he keeps a Kilkenny hurling shirt in his speaker's office. He has his priorities right

valoren

I love how people expect elected Presidents to simply hand waive away serious problems and make them go away, or make situations better, do milestone acts etc. Congress rules policy. Thankfully. That's democracy yay! The usual process is these huge ambitious aspirations of a newly elected president, a bunch of lobbyists carousing senators, compromises are reached that let's the senator get re-elected themselves, then a watered down version of the ambitious policy is voted through by the skin of it's teeth, the greedier senators who didn't get what they wanted, voting against through spite alone. Politics hurrah!

You're a demmycrat president with a republican majority in the Congress who despise you? Better to work on your short game than expect radical policy changes such as universal health care.

What's that President Kennedy? You want to land a man on the moon in the next 8 years with rockets that are blowing up every other launch? You want to spend 25% of the federal budget on doing that? And expect each citizen, of every state to pay a little more tax to do that?
Ok, no problem, we won't need to lobby any senators to vote for that, here's an annual billion $ stippend from the fed now, off you go now ya little scamp.

Grayson

Widdershins wrote: »

Dear God

Amen to that.


Although he has a point, even if he's really wrong about the causes and solutions.
We're not capable as people of keeping up to date with everything. Even the highly educated (lol) will find there aren't enough hours in the day.

So we take our ques from the news and other sources. We do our best to elect people we think are responsible and we think will do their best for us and our country.

More and more people get information from Facebook. So if I click like on an article for Clinton or Trump then more and more articles will appear supporting my views. Over time they will become more and more polarised.

The big problem, especially for US politics is that there's no checks and balances in the news that people get. There's very few objective sources left compared to the number of "independent" groups that have sprung up with an agenda.

There are many arguments for Britain leaving the EU (although I'm against it) but the arguments which got the most traction were the £320 mill a week to the NHS.

But by the standards of the Brexit debate this US election has been a clusterfcuk of immeasurable proportions.

26000 Elephants

Widdershins wrote: »

That means nothing. His remark doesn't even express approval.

It certainly does mean something. It refutes you suggestion that "its not clear if Trump knew him" - oh yes he did, and he certainly approved of him.

And ''alleged death threats''? There's a lot of allegation and no substance to any of that.

I'm only stating why it was withdrawn. I'm not vouching for them. However, there are still 15 women out there with outstanding allegations of sexual assault against Trump that have not been withdrawn. Even his ex wife claimed he raped her, later modifying the statement to read "had marital relations in an unusually forceful manner".
You will have to try harder to convince me he is not a dirt bag.

This is after another user stated completely falsely that D.Trump was charged with child rape, and she still hasn't explained why or where she got that idea.

I think she was referring to the civil case [ of child rape] that I clarified had been withdrawn.

26000 Elephants

RobertKK wrote: »

Paul Ryan is cool, he keeps a Kilkenny hurling shirt in his speaker's office. He has his priorities right

But he has committed Political career suicide. I doubt he will recover. Republicans dont like flip-floppers.

Den14

ligerdub wrote:

Yeah but he likes a good quip and a joke, and his wife goes dancing on Ellen and sings in a car with James Cordon. Surely those things are crucial factors in effective leadership.

Haha you're spot on there. Unfortunately these are indeed crucial factors in today's 5 second attention span X Factor generation. Just look at all the celebs on stage asking to vote for Hillary. Most of these people are hardly the cornerstones of society living in the far from reality celeb bubble and yet people hang on to their every vacuous word like it was gospel.

Widdershins

26000 Elephants wrote: »

It certainly does mean something. It refutes you suggestion that "its not clear if Trump knew him" - oh yes he did, and he certainly approved of him.

I'm only stating why it was withdrawn. I'm not vouching for them. However, there are still 15 women out there with outstanding allegations of sexual assault against Trump that have not been withdrawn. Even his ex wife claimed he raped her, later modifying the statement to read "had marital relations in an unusually forceful manner".
You will have to try harder to convince me he is not a dirt bag.


I think she was referring to the civil case [ of child rape] that I clarified had been withdrawn.

No dear I was talking to the other poster there when I pointed out that in her link, it was unclear when Trump knew what's his name.
I've no interest in convincing you he's ''not a dirtbag'' but the calibre of evidence so far hasn't convinced me of much against him and simply knowing someone or having a ribald sense of humour is not a crime or a sign of an evil character in my book. Pretending someone's been charged with child rape is another matter.

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

Paul Ryan is cool, he keeps a Kilkenny hurling shirt in his speaker's office. He has his priorities right

That's no way to allay the suspicions of a Tipperary man.

I knew there was something shifty about him...

Billy86

Not a good start for Trump...

http://www.politico.com/live-blog-updates/2016/11/2016-election-results-exit-polls-and-analysis-000013

Here s where the candidates stand in the additional six states as of 11:45 a.m.:

Colorado (59.8 percent of expected votes observed):
Clinton 46.3 percent
Trump 43.6 percent

Florida (52.4 percent of expected votes observed):
Clinton 48.6 percent
Trump 45.2 percent

Iowa (33.3 percent of expected votes observed):
Clinton 48.5 percent
Trump 43.5 percent

Nevada (46.2 percent of expected votes observed):
Clinton 46.7 percent
Trump 45.2 percent

Ohio (22.7 percent of expected votes observed):
Clinton 47.9 percent
Trump 43.9 percent

Wisconsin (24.7 percent of expected votes observed):
Clinton 52.7 percent
Trump 40.3 percent

Arcade_Tryer

rob316 wrote: »

Their is just something deeply unsettling about Clinton.

What? Apart from her potentially being the first female President.

CFlat

I think Trump has alienated far too many groups of people and when members of your own party wants to disown you then it's hard to see him beating Clinton. Apparently the Mexican community are mobilising today to vote more then they have ever done before...if ever!

It'll still be close I think within a few points