Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

Saipanne

cloudatlas wrote: »

No but I don't like him so I'm going to state my opinion. Sorry about that. "ultra conservative views on sexuality?" Also interesting that you couldn't say homophobia.

Homophobia is obviously rampant in the fighting world. Boxing, UFC, the lot.

cletus

cloudatlas wrote: »

cletus wrote: »

But he wasn't asked about homosexuality, he was asked about face punching, and then a poster shared his comments on a face punching forum.

Should nobody ever ask Manny any questions on anything ever again because he expressed ultra conservative views on sexuality?

No but I don't like him so I'm going to state my opinion. Sorry about that. "ultra conservative views on sexuality?" Also interesting that you couldn't say homophobia.

But you didn't just say that you didn't like him, you said who cares what he thinks because he's homophobic (see no issue with the word). I'm saying that his religious/homophobic leanings have no direct bearing on his thoughts on combat sports, or his area of expertise.

Do you also get upset when the cameras flash to Mike Tyson during a PPV because he is a convicted rapist

Swashbuckler

The debates on here are reaching new levels of retarded.

moneyman

Yeah I'm sorry I even mentioned it in the first place. It was a throwaway comment.

Swashbuckler

moneyman wrote:

Yeah I'm sorry I even mentioned it in the first place. It was a throwaway comment.

Not your fault dude. Was an interesting post.

darced

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Mellor

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I honestly don't see him taking the Aldo fight for 205 - and I highly doubt that the UFC really wants him to either. It would mean that in all of 2016 he's only faced two opponents

That's still the case no matter who he fights. He's not get more than 3 fights in fir 2016

newbbieb

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I honestly think the most likely scenario here is, Conor takes on Alvarez, vacates his FW belt temporarily, then if he beats Alvarez he will go back to FW in February for the potential two belts at once shot. I honestly don't see him taking the Aldo fight for 205 - and I highly doubt that the UFC really wants him to either. It would mean that in all of 2016 he's only faced two opponents - no matter what way you look at it, that's a drag for general MMA fans who aren't necessarily McGregor specific fanatics. They want to see something fresh, not another rematch for the main event.

If he does that, and Aldo wins the FW belt in the meantime, it means that a McGregor-Aldo rematch becomes more exciting since McGregor will be fighting to reclaim the belt and not just hold on to it.

McGregor pretty much has to be on UFC 205 now that GSP has been ruled out and Cerrone vs Lawlor seems to have fallen apart. Cerrone still wants to fight so another opponent will surely be found for him, but all the same after so many rumours about the UFC 205 main event, options seem to be drying up pretty fast. Gives McGregor at least somewhat more leverage over who he gets to fight.

I think sanity might prevail for Conor in the end and he goes back to Fw and takes on Aldo,if he beats him and Frankie gets back on track,he will have the Frankie fight plus Pettis now in that division which is another big fight for him,and possibly BJ assuming he can get past Lamas.

Thats 3 or 4 big fights for him at FW and the extra time with the early weigh ins can only help,he is not big enough for LW.Alvarez is probably one of the favourable match ups for him no doubt so i can see him taking that fight but what then?Khabib or Ferguson are too big for him,I love Conor but he gasses when he fights weighing 167 most LWs will be heavier than that in the cage and will be able to go 5 rounds.

I think Conor falls into the category of being a fighter that needs a 150 pound division he can definitely win plenty of fights at 55 but he can't beat the biggest strongest ones in that division,he is naturally just not a big enough guy when he goes up weight his cardio is always gonna be a problem.

wonderfullife

There is more chance of an alien-invasion of the Earth from the Planet UltraMegaTon than there is of Conor having "3 or 4 more fights at FW".

If he fights again at FW it will be just that - one last fight.

He proved his point by running through Holloway, Poirier, Mendes and Aldo.

Yeah, he skipped through Swanson, Bermudez and Edgar but he proved his point.

The future for Conor lies at 155, and a sprinkle of Catchweight money fights, and some extra-curricular mega-money boxing fights.

That's the future. He's got good people around him who have been practically begging him to get out of 145 for good. Gunni is always saying it, John Kavanagh always saying it too.

If he wants 3 or 4 more years in this sport, and up to 10 more fights, they will be at LW and catchweight.

I personally think he's got about 6 or 7 more fights in him before he calls it a day. He's always spoken of getting in and out with his health in tact. I think he'll be done with MMA by 2020 and concentrating on business pursuits, acting and Promoting.

Outlaw Pete

wonderfullife wrote: »

If he fights again at FW it will be just that - one last fight.

I agree and I'd say if it happens, it will be against Nick Diaz.

The reason I think that is because if he beats Nate then there is nowhere left to go for the UFC if want to keep exploiting the whole Diaz / McGregor fued in an effort to make even more money off it. If he beats Nate then it's easy to create interest in that fight by saying Nick wants his crack at Conor to avenge Nate after beating him in a best of three. It would be a novelty fight more than anything though... but we'd all watch.

Otherwise though I agree, I think he's done with 170.

Tigger

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I agree and I'd say if it happens, it will be against Nick Diaz.

The reason I think that is because if he beats Nate then there is nowhere left to go for the UFC if want to keep exploiting the whole Diaz / McGregor fued in an effort to make even more money off it. If he beats Nate then it's easy to create interest in that fight by saying Nick wants his crack at Conor to avenge Nate after beating him in a best of three. It would be a novelty fight more than anything though... but we'd all watch.

Otherwise though I agree, I think he's done with 170.

fw is 145
ww is 170

newbbieb

wonderfullife wrote: »

There is more chance of an alien-invasion of the Earth from the Planet UltraMegaTon than there is of Conor having "3 or 4 more fights at FW".

If he fights again at FW it will be just that - one last fight.

He proved his point by running through Holloway, Poirier, Mendes and Aldo.

Yeah, he skipped through Swanson, Bermudez and Edgar but he proved his point.

The future for Conor lies at 155, and a sprinkle of Catchweight money fights, and some extra-curricular mega-money boxing fights.

That's the future. He's got good people around him who have been practically begging him to get out of 145 for good. Gunni is always saying it, John Kavanagh always saying it too.

If he wants 3 or 4 more years in this sport, and up to 10 more fights, they will be at LW and catchweight.

I personally think he's got about 6 or 7 more fights in him before he calls it a day. He's always spoken of getting in and out with his health in tact. I think he'll be done with MMA by 2020 and concentrating on business pursuits, acting and Promoting.

Off course with the noises coming out of SBG it seems like he will make LW his home but Kavanagh is a bit of a fool so its not surprising he is making these kinds of statements.

When he stepped in the cage at 167,that was him at his heaviest while still being in shape yet he gassed and complained afterwards of having a bit of a belly at that weight,and thats only 20 pounds from 45 which is almost the minimum cut most fighters make nowadays.So there is definitely evidence to say his cuts could be done better.

He got a taste of what LW is about in the Diaz fight and smarter heads could prevail yet imo.He is not an idiot and he would have to be a delusional idiot to think he is gonna get past the Khabibs/Fergusons who are too big for him.Diaz was too big for him as evidenced by him being unable to stop him,unable to stand toe to toe with him,having to hit and run and use his superior skills to gameplan around the stronger guy.

You say he is gonna be in the game 3 or 4 years 10 or so fights but if he fights Eddie and wins for example,then he is the champion how is he gonna avoid Khabib,so lets say he fights Khabib next then,that could be a career ending fight for him,mma is a very humbling sport more than any other and people seem to think it won't happen to Conor,but it comes to everyone in mma unless your name is Jon Jones.It will come to Conor at LW without doubt,Cain ruined JDS and he was never the same fighter.My point is basically if he wants to dominate and go down as a dominant champion that is only available at FW not at LW and there is a chance after his last couple fights he is starting to realise that and plays it a bit smarter and sticks at FW.

sonofenoch

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I agree and I'd say if it happens, it will be against Nick Diaz.

The reason I think that is because if he beats Nate then there is nowhere left to go for the UFC if want to keep exploiting the whole Diaz / McGregor fued in an effort to make even more money off it. If he beats Nate then it's easy to create interest in that fight by saying Nick wants his crack at Conor to avenge Nate after beating him in a best of three. It would be a novelty fight more than anything though... but we'd all watch.

Otherwise though I agree, I think he's done with 170.

McGregor / Nick Diaz at FW??? now I'd pay for that even if I don't need to

Outlaw Pete

Where did I say anything about FW? I said 170

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Otherwise though I agree, I think he's done with 170.

Are you boys smoking CBD vape-pens?? :P

sonofenoch

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Where did I say anything about FW?

You quoted this "If he fights again at FW it will be just that - one last fight."

and replied with this ..."I agree and I'd say if it happens, it will be against Nick Diaz. "

Outlaw Pete

Ahhhhhh, I see what ye mean now, cheers. My damn brain (I do have one, honest) must have read wonderfullife's post as meaning 'WW'.

wonderfullife, please write more clearly in future will ya

hatrickpatrick

Mellor wrote: »

That's still the case no matter who he fights. He's not get more than 3 fights in fir 2016

My mistake, I got my memory all f*cked up and somehow placed the first Aldo fight in early 2016 rather than late 2015.

But it would still mean a full year - December to December - with only two opponents, over two first fights and two rematches.

wonderfullife

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

My mistake, I got my memory all f*cked up and somehow placed the first Aldo fight in early 2016 rather than late 2015.

But it would still mean a full year - December to December - with only two opponents, over two first fights and two rematches.

It worked out in the end but the UFC very nearly botched the careers of their 2 biggest stars - in terms of keeping them as mega-stars.

They did such a good job with both Rousey and McGregor up to a point and then they set about a very risky course of action.

When Holly Holm beat Ronda, she was the talk of the town. Her Twitter went from 20k to 200k+ in a matter of weeks.

A wise course of action would have been forcing Holly Holm to sit out for a Ronda re-match, which would have sold bucketloads of PPV's.

Instead, we get this merry-go-round with Holm, Tate and Nunes. And if Rousey does come back, the numbers Nunes v Rousey does will be AT LEAST 200,000 PPV buys down on what she would have done against Holm. At least. Possibly even 300,000 down. That's anywhere between $10 and $20 million in revenue lost.

Conor beat Aldo and was sitting pretty.

When RDA pulled out, Nate was a risky fight. Urijah Faber was close to signing for the fight, he said he was briefly offered it - that was clearly the best plan, if the UFC's sole intention was to protect their star fighter. With Rousey coming off a loss, it would have made a lot of sense to pitch the 7-0 UFC McGregor in against Urijah, let him get the highlight reel KO, and move on to UFC 200.

Instead, the way it's worked out (By luck!) we were gifted to the most entertaining Nate Diaz rivalry. It only worked out in so far as Conor was able to make the adjustments to beat him. If he lost again, it would have gone down as the biggest mismanagement in combat sports history.

I really don't think the Aldo re-match is something that will sell. McGregor and the UFC need something historic if it's MSG. Something for the ages. A re-match, however deserving, with a guy he already KO'd in 13 seconds feels a bit "meh".

They really need to go for the History Making 2-belts thing imo. So that means Eddie Alvarez or Tyron Woodley - and realistically it simply means Alvarez.

LaGlisse

wonderfullife wrote: »

It worked out in the end but the UFC very nearly botched the careers of their 2 biggest stars - in terms of keeping them as mega-stars.

They did such a good job with both Rousey and McGregor up to a point and then they set about a very risky course of action.

When Holly Holm beat Ronda, she was the talk of the town. Her Twitter went from 20k to 200k+ in a matter of weeks.

A wise course of action would have been forcing Holly Holm to sit out for a Ronda re-match, which would have sold bucketloads of PPV's.

Instead, we get this merry-go-round with Holm, Tate and Nunes. And if Rousey does come back, the numbers Nunes v Rousey does will be AT LEAST 200,000 PPV buys down on what she would have done against Holm. At least. Possibly even 300,000 down. That's anywhere between $10 and $20 million in revenue lost.

Conor beat Aldo and was sitting pretty.

When RDA pulled out, Nate was a risky fight. Urijah Faber was close to signing for the fight, he said he was briefly offered it - that was clearly the best plan, if the UFC's sole intention was to protect their star fighter. With Rousey coming off a loss, it would have made a lot of sense to pitch the 7-0 UFC McGregor in against Urijah, let him get the highlight reel KO, and move on to UFC 200.

Instead, the way it's worked out (By luck!) we were gifted to the most entertaining Nate Diaz rivalry. It only worked out in so far as Conor was able to make the adjustments to beat him. If he lost again, it would have gone down as the biggest mismanagement in combat sports history.

I really don't think the Aldo re-match is something that will sell. McGregor and the UFC need something historic if it's MSG. Something for the ages. A re-match, however deserving, with a guy he already KO'd in 13 seconds feels a bit "meh".

They really need to go for the History Making 2-belts thing imo. So that means Eddie Alvarez or Tyron Woodley - and realistically it simply means Alvarez.

If he goes for the LW title he has to drop FW belt, the only way for him to legitimately do the 2 title thing is to either defend v Aldo then go for lw belt or vacate FW,go for LW belt at 205 and fight new FW champ in early 2017 (I think this is the best option BTW). I'm a conor fan but allowing him to hold on to FW belt for over a full calendar year while he takes 3 fights outside the FW division would be a farce

Outlaw Pete

What's the story with those glasses. Mad looking yokes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGyshEAwEEQ

Says it all when in comparison Bono's look normal.

akelly02

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

What's the story with those glasses. Mad looking yokes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGyshEAwEEQ

Says it all when in comparison Bono's look normal.

Jesus the state of him....and bono isnt great either

rob316

I think Conor will drop the belt to Aldo and go up and fight Alvarez. Oh but he'll be telling Aldo I'll be back for my belt.

The problem with the Alvarez/Mcgregor fight is Alvarez is a nobody in UFC, lucky to beat RDA ,got battered by Cowboy and won by split decision against Pettis and (cant remember to be honest). The LW belt is on the line yes but its not a very enticing fight.

I would be very excited to see him defend the LW against Aldo but it wouldn't be a good move for him, lose that and his star will really fall. If he loses to Alvarez he has this to fall back on.

rob316

LaGlisse wrote: »

If he goes for the LW title he has to drop FW belt, the only way for him to legitimately do the 2 title thing is to either defend v Aldo then go for lw belt or vacate FW,go for LW belt at 205 and fight new FW champ in early 2017 (I think this is the best option BTW). I'm a conor fan but allowing him to hold on to FW belt for over a full calendar year while he takes 3 fights outside the FW division would be a farce

I keep seeing this but its only a rematch with Aldo is the only thing holding up that division, its not like there is a queue of legitimate cases. Mendes or Edgar don't have any claim to a title fight, they did the last man standing there with Aldo and its Aldo who won out.

Letting him hold the belt till February isn't going to hurt the division anymore than it has now.

But the smart thing is him dropping it and going up to LW, coming back down and possibly becoming a 2 time FW champion.

Awesomeness

rob316 wrote: »

I keep seeing this but its only a rematch with Aldo is the only thing holding up that division, its not like there is a queue of legitimate cases. Mendes or Edgar don't have any claim to a title fight, they did the last man standing there with Aldo and its Aldo who won out.

Letting him hold the belt till February isn't going to hurt the division anymore than it has now.

But the smart thing is him dropping it and going up to LW, coming back down and possibly becoming a 2 time FW champion.

holloway has earned a shot too

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

I think Conor will drop the belt to Aldo and go up and fight Alvarez. Oh but he'll be telling Aldo I'll be back for my belt.

The problem with the Alvarez/Mcgregor fight is Alvarez is a nobody in UFC, lucky to beat RDA ,got battered by Cowboy and won by split decision against Pettis and (cant remember to be honest). The LW belt is on the line yes but its not a very enticing fight.

I would be very excited to see him defend the LW against Aldo but it wouldn't be a good move for him, lose that and his star will really fall. If he loses to Alvarez he has this to fall back on.

How can you call finishing RDA lucky??

hatrickpatrick

rob316 wrote: »

The LW belt is on the line yes but its not a very enticing fight.

It's more enticing than another rematch though surely?

The Nate Diaz rematch turned out to be epic, but that was partly because of all the drama surrounding the background of it. If you remember back in March when it was first announced, the response from pretty much everyone was a collective "meh". Same sentiment is seen all over the place for an Aldo rematch.

Outlaw Pete

Hitting 155 in November would be easier and so the Alvarez fight first I feel makes a little more sense.

Helwani says a "domino" needs to fall and I think that is the 145 belt and Conor be able to hang onto it. Maybe the UFC want to strip Conor of it so that Aldo can have a title fight in New York but McGregor won't agree to relinquishing it.

I think the build up to any future rematch with Aldo (if Conor fought Alvarez next that is) would be better if he was 'stripped' of his belt as then Conor could just take the mick out of Aldo in the build up for holding a belt even though he didn't beat the fighter who took it off him after knocking him out in 13 seconds.

Mellor

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Maybe the UFC want to strip Conor of it so that Aldo can have a title fight in New York but McGregor won't agree to relinquishing it

Aldo is currently a title holder. So any other fight he has at 145 will be a title fight. Regardless of whether Conor is striped of his title.

Outlaw Pete

Mellor wrote: »

Aldo is currently a title holder. So any other fight he has at 145 will be a title fight. Regardless of whether Conor is striped of his title.

Ah the interim variety, fair enough.

Mellor

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Ah the interim variety, fair enough.

yup. It's still a title fight. 5 rounds rather than 3. And if he loses, then his opponent (ie Max Holloway) then fights Conor to unify.